Women Surviving and Thriving in Games Media Pax Prime 2014 Panel

As the gap between the number of male and female gamers slowly thins, so does gender disparity in games media. Hear from several women currently working in games journalism about their struggles and successes within the industry. Join Mary Kish [Producer, GameSpot], Neha Tiwari [Executive Producer, GameSpot], Megan Farokhmanesh [Editor, Polygon], Naomi Kyle [Host, IGN], Jessica Chobot [Host, Nerdist] and Tara Long [Rev3Games] for a one hour panel from Pax Prime 2014.

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LickTheEnvelope
LickTheEnvelope

These women are incredible.  I had a couple disagreements with Ms Tiwari but nothing major.  One thing I would suggest for future panels though is being more positive about the industry in the title.  "Women Thriving in Games Media" works just as well and IMO works better to not scare women away from the industry. This doesn't mean they should talk about their struggles but just be wary of scaring young women away and maybe focus on fun things sometimes. Thanks Gamespot.

jupsto
jupsto

Good discussion. 10/10. Would stalk

jstarscomm
jstarscomm

they're so into themselves. suck it up its the real world. men suffer the same abuse from other men. its not sexist its just the way the world works. so naiive

theteaface
theteaface

Awesome - I think the panel really nicely addressed core issues around women and games and sexism generally. Is it optimistic to think that the tides may actually be changing..?

jobo52
jobo52

The panel was great. I think that a main theme that ran throughout the panel was that not only are women journalists frequently harassed, but the culture of the online community, as a whole. is just so toxic and horrible.

Every online forum needs a ton of moderators who diligently remove harassing comments before they get too out of hand. People complain that this degree of censorship is dictatorial, but harassment is not protected under freedom of speech, so it shouldn't be commonplace on the internet, either. Not to mention, this kind of colloquy isn't beneficial for debate, further understanding, or community - it's simply useless, hurtful, and a waste of time and effort. 

jamesbigmac
jamesbigmac

It bothers me that their names aren't in left-to-right order in the video description.

endworldhate
endworldhate

So if I start a minorities in gaming panel.....will I stop being called the n word and stereotypical things when I hop in an online game  because Im black? 

wEEman33
wEEman33

It's a shame that this video is buried in the depths of this website's database.


This should be stickied at the top of the front page for at least a year.


This website, like most places on the Internet, is overrun with people who act terribly towards women.

hellgast0
hellgast0

I don't want to insult anyone, but altough Megan said she was nervous she immediatly started talking nonstop and I was like, this is a live version of Tumblr O_O

joalopes
joalopes

Great panel.

I must say that as a man I feel so bad that woman in this day and age still have to put up with crap.

And I do think there is a social problem that goes deeper than just the gaming industry. 

Anyway, we need variety. We need more of a female perspective. 

We need equality at all levels. When we read film reviews from respectable film critics, we don't evaluate if their woman or male.

And this is what needs to happen in the gaming industry as well.

Some man think that woman exaggerate when they mention discrimination. But in my opinion that's because they haven't seen it first hand.

I have seen it and I must say that I'm truly ashamed by the way some people act. 

I'm also sad that some woman feel shy to mention their love for video games because they think they'll be discriminated not only by man but also by other woman that don't play games.

We male gamers need to do our part. We need to show the male gamers that don't respect woman gamers that their behavior is not acceptable in our eyes. They should never feel like other man agree with them.

Change starts in all of us.

nl_skipper
nl_skipper

Chobot should really take a few courses on feigning interest while others are talking... she looks utterly disconnected from the event when she's not speaking!

atropos148
atropos148

I just noticed that someone forgot to mention Tara Long under the video...

Charlie_1979
Charlie_1979

Just after 20 minutes watching and they say women need to be more into it, its not just videogames. I am a man in administration jobs and more and more like 80% of employees are women, that is frustrating for a guy. Dont know if its true, but like the presidents of whatever companies want more smart and sexy women employees then a very hard working but not great looking guy. Even in administration, physical work, client service, etc... SEXUAL, BEAUTIFUL SELLS!!! Those 2 words: SEX SELL! Now besides videogames and surely other type of work, as a guy, I feel women are stealing jobs from me because there more attractive then a normal bright man!!!

Dovetailed
Dovetailed

Really interesting panel. Thanks to gamespot for uploading and all involved in making it happen. Kind of surprised, though, that there wasn't a comment about the lesser spotted Lupus Mentula given this was being hosted at a PAX event...

Shunten
Shunten

Great panel. Good talk from Jessica Chobot about parenting too, I did not expect that.

benelori
benelori

I loved Carmen Santiago game :D


...still do :p

warriors30
warriors30

3 minutes in... already in love with all of them ladies.

frozenuxx
frozenuxx

NOOOO my plans for the utter subjugation of women in the gaming industry by the evil male race have been thwarted but i will be back!!

InCertainSights
InCertainSights

Mary Kish looks like she is totally nervous and Chobot like tired and bored.

bdous
bdous

i didn't know that there were panels on PAX

destemido
destemido

Great panel. They touched on a lot of interesting subjects. 

I remember, last year or two, reading a lot of negative comments about Anna Prosser during her coverage for GameSpot. A lot of people insinuated she wasn't even a gamer or geek/nerd. I'm not even gonna mention who her husband is or what he does. Anna plays D&D on twitch.

As a man that was raised by a bunch of women, it really annoys me to witness them being seen by men as females first, and people later (if at all). I remember falling in love with games just by looking at the arcades, but it was with my older sister that I really dove into gaming, playing prince of persia and whatnot on a pentium 286. She helped define the kind of gamer I am today.

All the negativity/hate that goes around the internet certainly is not easy to deal with, as is in most cases a result of the flaws inherent in the way we are raised. I hope someday we can, finally, really all get together and make this world, and all our virtual worlds, a place free of exclusion and judgement.

NTM23
NTM23

I wished this was longer, with more questions at least. Oh well, that was interesting to watch.

Thuaxiz
Thuaxiz

This is so sexist. We need a men's only panel ASAP.

BrunoBRS
BrunoBRS

well, that was a really interesting panel. would love to see something like it again next year.

yamilvirginio
yamilvirginio

This idea that we need diversity is incorrect. We need the best people for the job, i hate when the government or SJW try to put quotas on the number of ______ that we need. WE JUST NEED THE BEST PEOPLE FOR THE JOB AND IF IT HAPPENS TO E A WOMEN THEN GOOD. But people should not be hired base on there gender or race is just unfair to the people who are more prepare for the job 

Neha23
Neha23 moderator

@LickTheEnvelope Thanks for watching. Just curious, what did you disagree with? 


-Neha

Cinetyk
Cinetyk

@jstarscomm If that's the case, rather than promoting doing nothing about it and just "sucking it up", why not allowing for awareness and discussion on that topic as well? If a group of people feel they want to discuss something on a panel and people are interesting in attending, what's the problem? It just happens it's a group of women from games media talking about it.

mondoben
mondoben moderator

@jstarscomm As someone who's working in this industry over 10 years i can assure you that men do in no way receive the same abuse that women get....this is a fact.

teske4444
teske4444

@jstarscomm I doubt you watched the video, but I'd say that comment is a little ironic.  Also, the piece was about women in the gaming industry, which, in my opinion, has preconceived notions about women.

jobo52
jobo52

@endworldhate No, but awareness of the issue is always helpful to progressively correct it. 

NightRain
NightRain

@hellgast0 It's something that nervous people can do. An understandable reaction because I do that too sometimes, lol.

DawnBlue
DawnBlue

@joalopes I don't think anyone could have said it better. This should be included in the article

joalopes
joalopes

@Charlie_1979 I work in IT. I agree. Sex sells. In some professions discrimination is actually in the other direction. As for woman stealing jobs.

When a woman is hired for her attractiveness, that means that the people hiring are most likely male.

And that leads to another problem. Woman may get some leadership roles, but they never get to the top.

Because the top, is controlled by man. This is also gender discrimination.

I mentioned I work in IT. Most people I work with are male but in my department we have a some woman.

And you know what? We all knew if they were good looking or not before their first day of work in our department. Also some of my colleagues reacted like complete childs with them. I almost felt pity.

But that's the thing. The problem woman. The problem is how man react towards woman in the work environment. 

frozenuxx
frozenuxx

@destemido

"I hope someday we can, finally, really all get together and make this world, and all our virtual worlds, a place free of exclusion and judgement"

Lol. You will need everyone to have the exact same line of thoughts and being identical so basically people with no differences at all...No, it's never going to happen.

hotkoolaid
hotkoolaid moderator moderatorstaff

@NTM23 I agree we ran out of time! There was more, but we'll have to save it for another day :)

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@Thuaxiz 

How? I don't perceive any sexist remarks.

Furthermore, the attendance rules for this panel do not include any restrictions against men.

Maybe you are over-reacting.

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@yamilvirginio 

You may want to know that while there is clamoring for more women in the industry, this clamoring is not about quotas.

Where have you heard this tripe, really?

BrunoBRS
BrunoBRS

@yamilvirginio well yeah, but the problem is that data points that women are held back regardless of their skill level, for tons of reasons ranging from preconceptions about skill, worry about taking leave due to pregnancy, among others.

so the push for diversity is not "fill a quota", it's "treat everyone the same, god damn it".

LickTheEnvelope
LickTheEnvelope

@Neha23 @LickTheEnvelope Thanks Neha! It was when you talked about a study in college you did that showed the men you questioned like Laura Croft because "she was hot"... but you also seemingly referred to her character as depicting 'shrinking women'... I found this especially odd as there was a female Laura Croft cos-player in the crowd.  No big deal, I don't have enough facts but I think if you are going to imply men like women characters because 'they are hot' ... well that sample you took may have been skewed by age and location.  


Thank you for all your hard work. With all the craziness the last 2 weeks I have been sending emails out trying to get the press to start portraying women in gaming in a better light.  I am getting poor responses from male editors but some journalists have sent my emails elsewhere.  If you would like I can send them to you as well.


Thank you again!

Splincir
Splincir

@hotkoolaid @InCertainSights It was a cute nervous. You did great. 


I think all you ladies did. I almost stopped watching a few minutes in, but I'm glad I stuck around for the whole thing. Some really good points we're raised and it was cool to gain some womens insight into the media side of the gaming industry. 


Now if only we could get all the "idiots" to stop filling the comment sections with all the useless hate, the internet would be a better place.


It scares me that developers and publishers might even consider decision making based on comments across the internet. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@frozenuxx The chance of getting absolutely 100% of the population in line with the same ideas is impossible but getting 95% of the population to stop being bigots is perfectly possible. Then the other 5% of the population can be highlighted as the waste of carbon they really are.

NTM23
NTM23

@Gelugon_baat I'm going to take his comment as sarcasm, and if it's not, I'd rather ignore it. It's dumb.

Charlie_1979
Charlie_1979

@BrunoBRS @yamilvirginio I can understand reasons why it still exist in 2014. My cousin works in the Government of Canada, she extremely abused the service of having vacation because she was pregnant 4 times. More then 4 totally paid compared to many I know that take vacation 3 months before and couple of months after. Dont know a %, but women themselves like my cousin give those ideas to boss to give a job to a man instead of a women. Both side need to work to make it better, not just guys that do bad.

yamilvirginio
yamilvirginio

@BrunoBRS @yamilvirginio that not true women are not held back regardless of the skill level you pull that one out of your a.ss unless they work on construction or other physical work that they can obviously  can't perform as good as men. The tech world mostly men for one simple reason mostly men graduate from those type of fields. Men and women will never be equal because we are not equal we are very different and we have different skills. Most women graduate from social orientated degrees not because they are force but because they  like those fields. So please educate yourself and stop reading feminist propaganda and spreading ignorance    

frozenuxx
frozenuxx

@Dannystaples14 @frozenuxx

Lol in what kind of fantasy land are you living in, please come back to us. This guy is talking about the world. You actually believe that the inhabitants of this goddamn planet with their various customs, religions, physical/psychological differences can somehow free themselves from judgement, exclusion and god knows what else used as a reason for division. 

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@NTM23 

Well, you can go ahead and do that. I would like to see a reply so that I can scrutinize it for any flaws and weaknesses which I can then mock.

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@label07 

Oh-ho-ho. You have spoken as if you are talking to some pariah. XD

No. You are going to have endure my presence. You are not the first to say go back to this-and-that place to me either. ;)

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@yamilvirginio 

Ah... if you can say that there will never be inequality, what you would say if in the future, somehow there are more women who are more skilled than men in the games industry?

Also, maybe you should "educate yourself" first before you put words into other people's mouths when they have not said them at all.

NTM23
NTM23

@Gelugon_baat Well, if it's serious, you can already mock it. No need to get into any fight, when it was an idiotic thing said in the first place. It's not worthy of discussion.

yamilvirginio
yamilvirginio

@Gelugon_baat @yamilvirginio that will never happen for one simple reason biology sweetheart. Men brain is made for mathematics and mechanics is what men are good at. Sure there is exception to the rule some women are very good at mathematics but the vast majority are weaker in that specific field. I don't understand this whole movement of people pushing women into field they don't like. You know what happen to the vast majority of females that enter engineering in collage they drop out because they find it boring. There no evil conspiracy keeping women away from the tech industry they are just not interested.  Who wants to impose Quotas you ask well SJW are all about this kind of stuff claiming we need more women in development when in reality we don't need anyone in development base on gender or race we just need the best most creative people     

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@label07

I get the impression that you have problems being consistent with your emotions if you find this 'sad' and then say it's 'comical'.

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@yamilvirginio 

Also, how would you know about females dropping out because they find college "boring"? Where have you heard this, really?

Also, those remarks about quotas are little more than tin-foil hattery - not really any more substantial than the "propaganda" the so-called "feminazis" are spewing.

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

@yamilvirginio 

Oh, ho-ho, I heard that before. XD

Really, where are your scientific citations, if you are going to make such bold claims about physiology?

Yes, "physiology", that is technically the more correct term. You are using a very broad term there when you said "biology".

Also, if you are going to make a supposedly-scientific claim, you don't really want to resort to the very logically-flawed saying of "exception to the rule" there. "Exception of the rule" only works if you can prove that these exceptions do not follow the rule at all because they cannot be capable of following the rule in the first place.