The Xi3 Piston - Who Is It For?

At a $999 price point, the Piston Console is a confusing product. Peter Brown tries to determine who the ideal buyer is.

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244 comments
vgsak2005
vgsak2005

ideal buyer? seems a little backwards. Should be asking if this is an ideal system

dunk_420
dunk_420

you can already buy these things without the piston logo on it from xi3

why are they acting like its a new product???

consoletroll
consoletroll

nothing to talk about - specs of a entry level pc/laptop,  small size , costs a thousand bucks, and will play all your games ...... on lowest settings.

dpeatice
dpeatice

This guy is trying so hard to keep lawyer's off his ass. 
"We did NOT say that!"

wookiegr
wookiegr

Sweet, $999 Mame machine. I'll take two!

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

Mom's and Dad's are not going to buy the Piston for little Johnny. Not at $100.00 Sorry.

emgesp
emgesp

This guy doesn't even know how to sell this overpriced POS. 

AOldDog
AOldDog

Lol : How many times is the word " Trivial " being used ? ...

And is that guy into Playboy Bunnies or what ? Why is he making those hand signs ? ..... LLLOOOLLL !!! 

consoletroll
consoletroll

Real fishy stuff here. This shit has to be a hoax or something. It will never come out. Psy-Ops I suppose. valve/ steam got alot of publicity out of this.  Like others have said how is this a better value than an intel NUC or new Amd with similar spec and footprint for less than half the price.

shanethewolf
shanethewolf

Something about this seems like a scam to me. I'm betting within a few months of release it will have no support or fail to do what it claims to do.

riku610
riku610

i'm actually looking forward in what this Xi3 Piston is capable of in this video but all i got is a lot of air gestures and information about a box with a high price... its not that i'm degrading the product but i got my hopes up thinking that things will be answered by that guy... i honestly think that this company should hire a gamer or a computer specialist that will be able to explain clearly what this product is and what it is capable of.... i observed that that guy is only talking about the marketing aspect of their product and was unable to answer almost all of the important details that their target consumers needs to know.... i hope they can share to us all what WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR about this product,,, not just the price.... because they wont be able to convince anyone to buy a new product with that price if the public is left hanging...

Aaron_Knuts1
Aaron_Knuts1

I'm not giving a dime to this company because of this asshole representative for their company. As I had saw in many other interviews, he always says he is unable to answer the question. If this is the kind of customer service I'm looking forward to when buying this product, count me out. I'd rather spend $1,000 on a high end PC.

whitetiger3521
whitetiger3521

I would pay $1000 easily for that! To be able to play Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft games on one console/pc legally would be HUGE! This guy has a good point but i'm gonna wait to see what exactly is going to come out of it.

chrisbritt45
chrisbritt45

he is way too into this thing. in its pure form its just a really high priced brick. u can buy what they are making in a bigger cabnet for half the price.

bksonic123
bksonic123

I'm sorry, but this guy uses waaaaay too many finger quotes!

Dead_Fish666
Dead_Fish666

That guy seems like an asshole,

Shame about the price, I was excited about it till I saw all those 9's....

siphr
siphr

Its utter nonsense. Trying to cash in on the hype. This will flop. Because there exist many other economical altternative such as the zotac nano for 1/4th the price.

d3nR
d3nR

So an android console with an extra 0?

ant19831983
ant19831983

$1000 seems a bit much for a paper weight.

rikukunut
rikukunut

hohohohoohohohoho hehhehehe hihihihihihihi its gonna fail


HSV002
HSV002

I still don't really know what it does :/

bledsoe45sbc
bledsoe45sbc

i'm pretty sure that guy is whacked out on acid

BludshedX
BludshedX

Sounds like it's going to come loaded with every emulator under the sun

leo316r
leo316r

fact: the actual price of x13 is $199 the rest is for the guy's hair treatment and viagra

bennypeepants
bennypeepants

I'm a member of the demographic that is interested in a product/service like this; I'm 30 years old and I've been obsessed with video gaming since 1989. Right now I have a modded Wii with an external hard drive that I use to collect roms. If I could play Mega-Man II, Road Rash II, Armored Core, Perfect Dark, Morrowind, Fallout IV, Grand Theft Auto V, and Elder Scrolls VI all on one system I would pay $1K for it. It's not gonna happen anytime soon, but for what it's worth, I really appreciate the effort.

soniex
soniex

I'm willing to bet this guy holds the record for using the most air quotes in a single video.  That aside, this guy doesn't get it and gamers are usually poor by nature.  I'm not saying that all gamers are, but a very large chunk of the gaming population is.  This guys logic about his reasoning for the large price tag is horribly flawed.  It's great in theory, but I don't see this thing taking off at all.

FarQall
FarQall

More expensive than the next xbox and PS4 = Fail

Less powerful than the next xbox and PS4 = Fail

You old PC's are more powerful than this = Fail

Similar power to a tablet or basic mac mini = Fail

To some up no point to this device at that price = Fail

You buy this = Fail or you have to much money to waste lol

DriftEJ20
DriftEJ20

The thing I don't like about PC gaming is I feel like developers get lazy in terms of optimization. On consoles, the developers are forced to deal with a platform that is unupgradable and they find workarounds and smooth out inefficiencies. Just look at Halo 4, it's actually the first Halo to run natively in 720p as opposed to upscaled from 1164x546 or whatever and it still looks better and runs the same as Halo 3 did (aside from split-screen), Gears is the same, Uncharted, Heavy Rain versus Beyond: Two Souls, Mass Effect etc. When developing PC games, the developer can just raise the minimum and recommended specifications.

Even though it's multiplatform, I just think about something like Metro 2033. That game is often used as a benchmark just because of how poorly optimized it was. At the same time, name how many games you can play on PC with volumetric lighting and other graphical techniques like Uncharted has, running with 256MB of system RAM and 256MB of GPU RAM like the PS3 does.

pjack160
pjack160

I think this guy might be full of poop....a 7750 needs 55watts.... Comal (aka trinity mobile apu) uses 17-35 watts. Virgo (aka Trinity-desktop uses 65 watts). That's not ram or powering a usb 3.0 hdd (about 5 watts). Richland will use an hd8000 series..... In order to get under 40 watts, either the specs are really for a Richland part or their expectations are off...a lot. I want to see this thing playing even crysis 2 at 720p

baztyper
baztyper

he looks like jigsaw just missing the voice



Cherubas
Cherubas

This was a surprisingly long video that seemed to answer absolutely nothing.

Troutmagneto
Troutmagneto

I dunno man... from that 'interview' all I get is vaporous, overpriced hardware with vague references and far too many finger quotes.

It's a 'console' because that's the mystique they need to fulfill to make it applicable to the status quo. In reality it sounds like just another PC, oh and it's powerful enough to do emulation, and possibly licensed enough (legally) to run games from a massive array of potential consoles and platforms... from what he's suggesting.

My problem isn't really with the price or the capabilities, it's the fact that he's touting the emu-centric focus of the 'console' as its primary allure.

Let's say it can, as he suggests, emu PC, PS1, NES, OSX, GC, PS2, Gamegear, etc. games of yore - games you've already 'paid for' and 'own the license to'... surely there must be a need to VALIDATE the claim that you own these products before you're legally allowed to stream them from a server, or somehow run them from the machine (will it have an optical drive? Surely not...)

THAT's how this isn't going to work. Regardless of the legal quagmire and red tape this company will have to perpetually slog through with software publishers, regardless of the licensing restrictions they will find themselves hit with at every turn, it will be the proof of ownership that will cause the most headaches. Unless they're hoping that you can't find proof of ownership...

I'm sure they understand that it isn't going to happen how Politis explains it in the interview.

At the end of the day, I'm thinking they're going to be selling a PC, wrapped in a console package, marketed as such and with a Steam-like layer of online game shopping with software virtualization sitting on top of the OS.

You'll be paying for everything you can't prove you own.

bennypeepants
bennypeepants

How many years will a good CPU and GPU perform well on games' high setting before your computer has to be upgraded? I'm honestly asking because a computer just seems like a money pit to me.

bennypeepants
bennypeepants

In three years when games look better on a moderately priced PC again, then I'll buy it. Unless it doesn't have a controller, doesn't play old games like they said, or still costs $1000. 

patiotom
patiotom

Ignoring the price for a second and listening to what he is saying Xi3, Razor, Valve and many other are starting to aim for an open platform. 

He hit the nail on the head when discussing the vast sums us gamers spend on licensed products, i have 20+ years of purchasing games (if i sat down and listed all the games i have paid for i would wince). Take the PS4 as an example as they have already said that the second you plug it in you will not be able to just pop your PS3 game in the CD tray, you will instead have to sign up to their recent purchase Gaikai to stream it. In short you will be paying membership to play the products you have already purchased!!! Where as on the PC i can take that DVD thats 10-15+ years old and install onto my current PC!!

If i want to play Tony Hawks or GTA from the PS2 i should be able to just playing it on my PS3/PS4. I shouldn't have to set up my old system, i shouldn't have to purchase a HD Remake, i shouldn't have to Emulate it, i shouldn't have to pay to to stream it.

For these reasons plus the locked in hardware cycles and over priced products i will be staying away from consoles this generation and into the future, and talking to my gaming mates almost all have made the move or planning the move to  PC for the simple fact its a more cost effective system. Small upgrades can substantially increase the life cycle and an average £10 saving with each game soon adds up to off set any extra cost of your rig compared to a console. And lets face it the PS4 will be coming at a similar price of the PS3 launch which was an eye watering £450 for the PS3 (and selling at a lose!!). For that you could put together a PC capable of running all games at a solid 50fps in high settings but with the option in a couple of years of adding a bit more RAM or a new GPU to increase performance.

As he so rightly points out anything other than openness within a system and choice is commercial suicide these days!!

bennypeepants
bennypeepants

P.S. No one cares about streaming video. Everyone knows a $250 laptop with an HDMI out and an internet connection will give you access to all the Twin Peaks and X-Files episodes anyone could ever ask for!

patiotom
patiotom

@FarQall Its amazing how often when money is mentioned people miss the point. The point is people are trying to "OPEN' up the market so people can buy a product like this or the Razor Edge or the Nvidia Shield and play the games you have already paid for across multiple systems. I don't see Sony giving you this option to pay for a game once on the PS4 and play it for free on your Vita, they will just charge you £50 for each game. It makes me laugh when people mock new tech based on the price (thing called R&D!!). Give it 18 months and i am sure they will have a whole range of devices covering the whole spectrum of Specs & Prices, and when the generations roll on and you new collection of PS4 games become locked in the past you will still be able to play your fav older games because its essentially a PC!!!

patiotom
patiotom

@DriftEJ20 Might want to wipe your mouth, something dripping from it, you obviously know nothing proved by your 720p upscaled to 1164x546 (what resolution is this anyway ha ha). You actually downscaled as its 1280x720 (720p) or 1920x1080 (1080p). You have obviously never played a game in full HD.

As for your comment on optimisation, most games on a multi platform are optimised to the medium graphic setting and then either downscaled to run on consoles (ie that lighting or textures downscaled). As for the comment on RAM thats funny as every game from the last 2 years i have played on both PC and Console the console version looks rank (low res textures, poor lighting, cut down MP) Just go compare any big game from the last year and compare even to PC low settings, consoles have been lagging for a while shame most people either ignore it or worse don't notice it!!

The fact you think Uncharted is a pinnacle of gaming (i can tell you the graphical tricks used are nothing compared to what is possible these days). And anyway everybody knows the PS3 has been a pain to develop for this gen. For every game you consider great there is one that never quiet worked on its dated hardware or messed up OP. Skyrim is a obvious AAA title!!!

Troutmagneto
Troutmagneto

@Cherubas Yup. It's often like that when they don't have a frigging clue what they're selling...

FrostDM
FrostDM

@bennypeepants Intel E8500, 4gb hyperX RAM, ATi 5870, Old rig 600$ 4-5 years old, finished playing "Bioshock Infinite" on HIGH settings. Laged, i shit you not, 3 or 4 times during opening of a new level.

johnked6
johnked6

@bennypeepants  

A good gpu will last on high around 2-3 years, a good cpu around 3-4 years.   The good thing about upgrading is that once you have your system set you won't have to spend a grand for your next upgrade.  You can do it piece by piece when they start to get outdated.


You can stretch things out by lowering settings, if you love gaming and have the money than going PC is a no brainer.  Most everyone needs a PC anyways, mine as well make it a gaming PC.

Scarshi
Scarshi

@bennypeepants Spend a grand smartly and you'll get 2 years, more or less. Video Card and CPU usually the trickiest to buy without overspending but getting optimum performance.

Money pit can also include smoking, drinking and various other bad habits. Its amazing how easily people spend 20 bucks here or there on nothing important. Save those pennies!

Scarshi
Scarshi

@patiotom I feel the same.

All console games are based on rental of a "box". There are no guarantees in the next gen because the hardware and platform are always vastly different given the timeframe between generations. PC's have changed very little compared to consoles over the last 25 years. Still running the same algorithms and code base software and still possible (albeit tricky at times to tweak the computer - but possible) to play a vast majority of older PC games.

I like consoles for their being quick, easy and streamlined out of the box press a button and away you go. But I love my PC. Nothing beats buying parts, boards, chips, fans, led's, liquid-cooling and putting it all together to play some kick-ass games no matter how old or new, straight off my shelf.

RPG_Fan_I_Am
RPG_Fan_I_Am

@patiotom" Where as on the PC i can take that DVD thats 10-15+ years old"

Stick the original Red Alert into your current PC, I bet you it doesn't work.

shadow655
shadow655

@patiotom @FarQall Sony has already started to do that with games on PS3 and its other devices its called Cross Buy. As for the PS4 we still don't know everything about it yet, but its very likely Sony is going to do the same same as what they are already doing with the PS3 and Vita with Cross buy. As for the games that don't use Cross Buy, the Vita version are usually less than the console version. Though Sony has not fully implemented this completely yet, they have made it clear this is their goal going into next gen, to connect all their devices together. 

I would agree that a it would be annoying if they don't have backwards comparability going into the generations after the PS4, but that is so far into the future we don't know what will happen to console gaming. Because people think that this next gen (PS4) is the last gen before console either become all digital or be integrated into T.V's. Also with Sony Purchasing Gaikai who knows what that may bring.

The problem with the Piston is that its impractical in a market like this. No one would buy something for that much money when there are cheaper/better options for the same to less amount of money. The only way something like this would ever work is if it was priced competitively. 

gf61
gf61

@patiotom@DriftEJ20During the PSX, PC dev just asked you to upgrade constantly,  before that you had to buy a card based on the game your playing so he is making a valid point. Even Bioshock head commended dev talent on consoles.

patiotom
patiotom

@Troutmagneto @patiotom Pre digital age is difficult for console easy for PC (you just re install). Anything with a internet connection (so dreamcast? 1998 onwards) will have some form of recording what games have been played DLC downloads, marketplace, achievements to gain some form of what has be paid for. 

And anyway take all the games of any of the old school gen consoles, they are all now dead products unless somebody sets up their old system to play or brakes the law and emulates. Why close source a dead game franchise when the money has already been made on them, open source it and let people enjoy an old but worthy product. We don't treat films or music in this manner, imagine if Star Wars was a VHS only product or the Beatles where only ever on Vinyl!! 

patiotom
patiotom

@Scarshi @patiotom Thats where i was a year back, fed up with the rental box model. Was terrified of a new build PC as i had not done it 15 years and had visions of setting fire to my PSU like i did with a Pentium once by not setting the voltage on the MB, turned out to be a piece of cake (the 15 years of improvements in design is massive!!). I liked my 360 for being quick and easy but since my new build it has collected dust due to my PC now being the ''quick and easy" option

petez34
petez34

@Scarshi @patiotom Yep I loved liquid cooling but if I ever get back into it again it'll be my GPU I will cool not cpu. plus it just looks cool. haha

patiotom
patiotom

@gf61 @patiotom @DriftEJ20 You choose your own spec with a PC thats the point and thats why you have the choice between low to ultra spec in the settings. Your not forced to upgrade at all. Most recommend specs are for DX11 card which is almost all of them on the market today ranging from £50-£1000 dependent on and this is important "what you want" not what MS or Sony decided 10 years ago was "cost effective".  A mate is still running games at high settings on a 5 year old machine!!

Bio shock looks OK on console (textures and lighting are non existent) but its still a stripped down product from the one the developers made (they maybe glad they made it run well but im sure they would not say its the system you should play it on as you miss half the stuff they have spent years developing, the stuff they want you to go wow at which is missing from the 360 version i played)

patiotom
patiotom

@petez34 @Scarshi @patiotom Pretty soon CPU's will be pre-suspended in  thermal liquid 100x more efficient than air and GPU's will be using the new Thunderbolt motherboard connection and come in pre cooled external box's!! When this happens the future of SLi GPU's will be very interesting indeed!

RPG_Fan_I_Am
RPG_Fan_I_Am

@Scarshi @RPG_Fan_I_Am meh idk. not all my old games have issues but some do with new windows.... Then again I have windows 7. I never had these issues with XP. Prolly just missing plugins or something. I just Download the games. That way they always work.

Scarshi
Scarshi

@RPG_Fan_I_Am @Scarshi I run it outside the Windows parameters with set drivers. Just like my old Commander Keen software, and the original SimCity.

patiotom
patiotom

@RPG_Fan_I_Am @Scarshi Yes and no set to 64. I don't remember it doing anything silly on install either. Had to download a patch for the original Max Payne but thats the only one of my old game i remember having any issues with!

RPG_Fan_I_Am
RPG_Fan_I_Am

@Scarshi @RPG_Fan_I_Am The original disc? guess you guys have your settings on your PC lowered. mine always have issues with the 32 and 64 bit.

Edit: I can play it on Decades, or if I download it off steam or something though. Just the original disc never works for me.