The Xi3 Piston - Who Is It For?
At a $999 price point, the Piston Console is a confusing product. Peter Brown tries to determine who the ideal buyer is.
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you can already buy these things without the piston logo on it from xi3
why are they acting like its a new product???
nothing to talk about - specs of a entry level pc/laptop, small size , costs a thousand bucks, and will play all your games ...... on lowest settings.
Lol : How many times is the word " Trivial " being used ? ...
And is that guy into Playboy Bunnies or what ? Why is he making those hand signs ? ..... LLLOOOLLL !!!
Real fishy stuff here. This shit has to be a hoax or something. It will never come out. Psy-Ops I suppose. valve/ steam got alot of publicity out of this. Like others have said how is this a better value than an intel NUC or new Amd with similar spec and footprint for less than half the price.
Something about this seems like a scam to me. I'm betting within a few months of release it will have no support or fail to do what it claims to do.
i'm actually looking forward in what this Xi3 Piston is capable of in this video but all i got is a lot of air gestures and information about a box with a high price... its not that i'm degrading the product but i got my hopes up thinking that things will be answered by that guy... i honestly think that this company should hire a gamer or a computer specialist that will be able to explain clearly what this product is and what it is capable of.... i observed that that guy is only talking about the marketing aspect of their product and was unable to answer almost all of the important details that their target consumers needs to know.... i hope they can share to us all what WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR about this product,,, not just the price.... because they wont be able to convince anyone to buy a new product with that price if the public is left hanging...
I'm not giving a dime to this company because of this asshole representative for their company. As I had saw in many other interviews, he always says he is unable to answer the question. If this is the kind of customer service I'm looking forward to when buying this product, count me out. I'd rather spend $1,000 on a high end PC.
I would pay $1000 easily for that! To be able to play Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft games on one console/pc legally would be HUGE! This guy has a good point but i'm gonna wait to see what exactly is going to come out of it.
he is way too into this thing. in its pure form its just a really high priced brick. u can buy what they are making in a bigger cabnet for half the price.
That guy seems like an asshole,
Shame about the price, I was excited about it till I saw all those 9's....
Its utter nonsense. Trying to cash in on the hype. This will flop. Because there exist many other economical altternative such as the zotac nano for 1/4th the price.
I'm a member of the demographic that is interested in a product/service like this; I'm 30 years old and I've been obsessed with video gaming since 1989. Right now I have a modded Wii with an external hard drive that I use to collect roms. If I could play Mega-Man II, Road Rash II, Armored Core, Perfect Dark, Morrowind, Fallout IV, Grand Theft Auto V, and Elder Scrolls VI all on one system I would pay $1K for it. It's not gonna happen anytime soon, but for what it's worth, I really appreciate the effort.
I'm willing to bet this guy holds the record for using the most air quotes
in a single video. That aside, this guy doesn't get it and gamers are
usually poor by nature. I'm not saying that all gamers are, but a very
large chunk of the gaming population is. This guys logic about his
reasoning for the large price tag is horribly flawed. It's great in theory, but I don't see this thing taking off at all.
More expensive than the next xbox and PS4 = Fail
Less powerful than the next xbox and PS4 = Fail
You old PC's are more powerful than this = Fail
Similar power to a tablet or basic mac mini = Fail
To some up no point to this device at that price = Fail
You buy this = Fail or you have to much money to waste lol
The thing I don't like about PC gaming is I feel like developers get lazy in terms of optimization. On consoles, the developers are forced to deal with a platform that is unupgradable and they find workarounds and smooth out inefficiencies. Just look at Halo 4, it's actually the first Halo to run natively in 720p as opposed to upscaled from 1164x546 or whatever and it still looks better and runs the same as Halo 3 did (aside from split-screen), Gears is the same, Uncharted, Heavy Rain versus Beyond: Two Souls, Mass Effect etc. When developing PC games, the developer can just raise the minimum and recommended specifications.
Even though it's multiplatform, I just think about something like Metro 2033. That game is often used as a benchmark just because of how poorly optimized it was. At the same time, name how many games you can play on PC with volumetric lighting and other graphical techniques like Uncharted has, running with 256MB of system RAM and 256MB of GPU RAM like the PS3 does.
I think this guy might be full of poop....a 7750 needs 55watts.... Comal (aka trinity mobile apu) uses 17-35 watts. Virgo (aka Trinity-desktop uses 65 watts). That's not ram or powering a usb 3.0 hdd (about 5 watts). Richland will use an hd8000 series..... In order to get under 40 watts, either the specs are really for a Richland part or their expectations are off...a lot. I want to see this thing playing even crysis 2 at 720p
I dunno man... from that 'interview' all I get is vaporous, overpriced hardware with vague references and far too many finger quotes.
It's a 'console' because that's the mystique they need to fulfill to make it applicable to the status quo. In reality it sounds like just another PC, oh and it's powerful enough to do emulation, and possibly licensed enough (legally) to run games from a massive array of potential consoles and platforms... from what he's suggesting.
My problem isn't really with the price or the capabilities, it's the fact that he's touting the emu-centric focus of the 'console' as its primary allure.
Let's say it can, as he suggests, emu PC, PS1, NES, OSX, GC, PS2, Gamegear, etc. games of yore - games you've already 'paid for' and 'own the license to'... surely there must be a need to VALIDATE the claim that you own these products before you're legally allowed to stream them from a server, or somehow run them from the machine (will it have an optical drive? Surely not...)
THAT's how this isn't going to work. Regardless of the legal quagmire and red tape this company will have to perpetually slog through with software publishers, regardless of the licensing restrictions they will find themselves hit with at every turn, it will be the proof of ownership that will cause the most headaches. Unless they're hoping that you can't find proof of ownership...
I'm sure they understand that it isn't going to happen how Politis explains it in the interview.
At the end of the day, I'm thinking they're going to be selling a PC, wrapped in a console package, marketed as such and with a Steam-like layer of online game shopping with software virtualization sitting on top of the OS.
You'll be paying for everything you can't prove you own.
How many years will a good CPU and GPU perform well on games' high setting before your computer has to be upgraded? I'm honestly asking because a computer just seems like a money pit to me.
In three years when games look better on a moderately priced PC again, then I'll buy it. Unless it doesn't have a controller, doesn't play old games like they said, or still costs $1000.
Ignoring the price for a second and listening to what he is saying Xi3, Razor, Valve and many other are starting to aim for an open platform.
He hit the nail on the head when discussing the vast sums us gamers spend on licensed products, i have 20+ years of purchasing games (if i sat down and listed all the games i have paid for i would wince). Take the PS4 as an example as they have already said that the second you plug it in you will not be able to just pop your PS3 game in the CD tray, you will instead have to sign up to their recent purchase Gaikai to stream it. In short you will be paying membership to play the products you have already purchased!!! Where as on the PC i can take that DVD thats 10-15+ years old and install onto my current PC!!
If i want to play Tony Hawks or GTA from the PS2 i should be able to just playing it on my PS3/PS4. I shouldn't have to set up my old system, i shouldn't have to purchase a HD Remake, i shouldn't have to Emulate it, i shouldn't have to pay to to stream it.
For these reasons plus the locked in hardware cycles and over priced products i will be staying away from consoles this generation and into the future, and talking to my gaming mates almost all have made the move or planning the move to PC for the simple fact its a more cost effective system. Small upgrades can substantially increase the life cycle and an average £10 saving with each game soon adds up to off set any extra cost of your rig compared to a console. And lets face it the PS4 will be coming at a similar price of the PS3 launch which was an eye watering £450 for the PS3 (and selling at a lose!!). For that you could put together a PC capable of running all games at a solid 50fps in high settings but with the option in a couple of years of adding a bit more RAM or a new GPU to increase performance.
As he so rightly points out anything other than openness within a system and choice is commercial suicide these days!!
to me a console strength lies in the fact that a $500 will last you about 8 years and deliver you high end gaming and graphics for those 8 years without the need to update any hardware. The gaming devs will build for that specific console.
Once you include hardware updates and non standarized hardware, i fail to see how this is a console in any way.
somehow I felt that this conversation was surprisingly interesting which I totally did not expect it to be. Despite the price factor which would make people like me rule out this product from buying and whatever it may or may not fail to achieve the end result is that it might contribute significantly changing/influencing views and implementation of hardware and game development.
When some one says it is very much possible to have a unified platform where legacy and also 'exclusive' titles which are currently limited to specific consoles at the excuse of hardware design architecture it might serve as an eye opener to the gaming industry and ultimately would benefit the gamer.... but as stated in the interview this might be wishful thinking as the respective vendors would not want that to happen EVER.
It is equally possible that this factor might serve as a double-edged sword where it would serve as an over-priced generic device that is capable of running everything but nothing in absolute perfection of its dedicated counterparts.
The bad part was however when he stated that today's gaming rigs (PCs) are big and ugly... that opinion is most likely not something PC gamers with big cabinets having extra fans and custom cooling solutions like water pipes would not really mind the size or power consumption.
They seem to be going for the console gamers being their calling the Xi3 a console and not a PC. But Piston developers don't understand why console gamers don't care for PC's. First, is the high cost of PC's. Piston does nothing to change that with its 999 price tag. Second, console gamers don't like playing with mouse and keypad. Piston does nothing to make controllers the standard for its new system. Is the Piston a open or closed platform. Consoles are generally hacker free because of its closed platform.
There are some things that the Piston gets right. Its small form factor and upgradeability. But its high cost, no controller being the standard for its games, and what appears to be its open PC like platform will turn most console gamers away.
Since it is mildly related, everyone thinking Valve is backing this thing supposedly they never did. Is Xi3 a public company? If so I am short selling the hell out of it in January 2014 lol!
"Valve's Doug Lombardi told Eurogamer that Valve had some dealings with Xi3 Corporation, the company behind the Piston, but not any more.
"Valve began some exploratory work with Xi3 last year, but currently has no involvement in any product of theirs," he said."
There are people who would pay $999 to play video games? Great 4/1 joke! Had me for like the first minute.
Considering its modularity, all-in-one capabilities and form factor its an incredible piece of hardware. its also good to keep in mind that bleeding edge tech isnt an absolute necessity to play the latest & greatest game.
Having said that, i don't see core gamers going for this, but its definitely something from the future!! :)
That guy is disillusional if he thinks we would believe that it would play old console games. I am glad that question was pushed because there is no way that the big three would ever let that happen with their games.
A "console" made for simple minded people that dont understand sh*t about the power that you can have with a costum made PC, with far less money.
I can do anything with my pc.
I just cant play the lattest console games(dedicated/exclusive)...and i believe neither can Piston...so, whats the point so far? for 1k$!! ouch!