The Point - Should Nintendo Stop Making Consoles?
With Nintendo announcing massive cuts to their Wii U sales expectations, Danny attempts to answer the question on everyone's minds. Should Nintendo become a software only company?
by Danny O'Dwyer on
3rd party development is the way for Nintendo. They have come short of the requirements of the gaming community for too long. People still love the games but will not buy a rubbish console for 3 or 4 games they like! As for revenue - increased fan base = increased game sales = increased merchandise sales. This would clearly be more than the money the hardware brings into the picture.
I see bankruptcy in Nintendo's future if they don't drastically change their business strategy soon. For those of us that can remember the 80’s and 90’s, Nintendo was a household staple that brought great exclusive games, in addition to a massive game library produced by third party developers. Unfortunate for Nintendo, those days are over. Presently, the big fish in the pond are Microsoft and Sony, and I do not see that changing in the foreseeable future. Nintendo got lucky and won big with the Wii, but their success was mostly due to their effective marketing campaign where they were able to publicize the console as a novelty towards different age groups, aside from the hardcore gamer who makes purchases based on graphics and hardware. Smart business men know when to cut their losses, and recognize the writing on the wall when the signs present themselves. Currently, Nintendo should do what they do best, and that is producing quality games and innovative peripherals. This could expand their market base across all platforms, while refocusing their research and development resources that were previously allocated towards producing the next console. I believe this is a wide-ranging business strategy that could quickly make them a market leader once again, and bring a new consumer base that would not have had any exposure to their products otherwise.
I think Nintendo should have stopped after the Gamecube, especially when they didn't even make an HD console. Also I don't think this guy should ever say "Starfux" (fox) again. LOL
Nintendo have the option of going down the SEGA path. Sega's Dreamcast was an issue because it was ahead of its time, which was great as the price dropped and only the people who liked the direction used it... that was until it had no use, as most if not all the popular Dreamcast games made their way to the other consoles.
Nintendo appear to like the childish baby format of sooky characters and tantrums, and the mums who don't like the violence of the world seem to surprise their kids with Nintendo consoles than Xbox or Play Station. More for a selfish reason like the Wii fit.
Nintendo have a lot of creativity and their consoles have proved that, but maybe it's time they grew up and enter back into the market with a console like the N64, incorporate all the wonderful things they have worked on since N64, and include a mainstream connection that consists of reliable servers, smashing hardware and versatility to have expansions, like the expansion packs, and maybe even look at the direction of cartridges or an avenue away from DVD BLURAY CD era.
Memorable Nintendo Memory.
hurling a game cartridge across a room, the game not only lodges it self in the wall but cracks the case, this was about say 16 years ago 1998ish, and the game still works today!
Nintendo should definitely stop making consoles and this could have been done since the Nintendo Gamecube.
Good job Danny, solid and honest analysis man. In all honesty, I believe that they should go back to the N64 platform idea. The N64 was built for gamers, by gamers. Sony based their Playstation off of that format, and so far it has worked for them. Nintendo can keep making their Nintendo games all they want, but make the console more accessible for third party developers. The N64 had a huge library of games made by third parties, and it blew the Playstation out of the water every time until the PS2. Increase processing power, HD graphics, maybe blu-ray and allow for parental controls online, and you have a solid platform. Add everyone's favorite Mario, Zelda and Donkey Kong game once a year and set the oven to 300 degrees for baking.
I defend for a long time even now i defend the same thing, Nintendo should really stop making consoles like sega i go multi platform like sega also, i bet they will have more profit like that, or if they continue need to stop being always 10 years behind Sony and Microsoft on terms of hardware. Nintendo problem is that and also the fact the games are no that interesting for attract new players, unlike the other platforms Nintendo have the same games over and over again or re-made the old games for the new platforms all time, actually the main problem is the games, most of the biggest titles like GTA or MGS for example are not in the Nintendo consoles, and that is the main problem, like danny said Nintendo is just repetition all the time, and focus only nostalgia of their games... Unlike sony and microsft have all the games what he like in their consoles and even focous on free to play games and third party desenvolvement.. If Nintendo continuous like this will go bankrupt... I Danny said they need to focus more in their software and launch that in all platforms... Many people who have xbox, playstation or pc love mario, and zelda and other titles from nintendo, and i bet many of the nintendo owners have at least pc in their homes or other console probably.
Nintendo needs to drop the 'family friendly" approach and focus on real games that people want. Families have all matured in their entertainment consumption and are sick of being smothered with Mario after Mario after Mario games.
Leave the nostalgia at the door Nintendo. Come back to the regular old franchises briefly and sporadically in another 10yrs or so. Let people breath for a minute.
I bet Nintendo could make a killer zombie game. Stick Mario & friends in storage and focus on popular gaming trends of the day, not the trends of the 80's and 90's, and you'll once again have a successful product.
I like your analysis on this. I agree they have enough money to tough it out this generation. I hope that next gen they go with a console that can keep up with the specs of Sony and Microsoft and that they aggressively try and get back into the mainstream again. I have a Wii U, I love it and it has great games on it. I also have a PS4 and an Xbox One (I love collecting consoles what can I say) and I can honestly say you need to *want* to play Nintendo games to want a Wii U. It's a great system but coming out with sub-par hardware specs has been slowly taking its toll on Nintendo in my opinion.
My verdict: The Wii U, as a piece of hardware is good. It has free online, built in video, chat, backwards compatibility, and has finally met the HD graphics standard. One more than one occasion I've switched to a football game and my son was able to continue in his quest with the game pad. There are a lot of reason I should like it, and I do. The problem is it's too far from the standard in everything else. The Wii had one gimmick for developers to contend with. (one off of center) But the Wii U only met the minimum standard graphically, has poor online stability/support, and now two gimmicks for developers to deal with ( four off from center). It's just too different from everything else. Yet when I see my boys play Mario, they find the same new fascination with it that I did as a kid. And even without great 3rd party support, there is still some really good games on it. Lego City, any of the , Scribblenaughts, Monster Hunter 3U, Sonic Racing.
It's a great system if that was the only option, but I think they just overplayed there innovation.
I think I'm an average gamer, and even though I'm not into Nintendo style, I don't like Mario and stuff, I bought a Wii in 2010. I soon realized that this console isn't for me: I didn't like the motion control thing, the low resolution, lack of trophies/achievements and there was a poor library of games to select from. Surely I picked all the Resident Evil exclusives I had on my radar for years, and a couple of other games, like Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, and some old Game Cube classics, like Metroid Prime, but that's pretty much it for a "Sony type of games" player like me. So more or less, besides the high price of the new console, my disappointment from the Wii was the reason I didn't even think to get a Wii U.
I would hate nintendo to stop making consoles,but it does need to change it's child like image and make games and consoles that appeal better to adults as consoles are no longer considered as toys anymore.
Well I agree Nintendo need change but it wont make no different.
Nintendo wont go but it wont be console market anymore .
if they just make games some of them be on mobile and on other consoles like ps4,xbox1.
Mario could save consoles that was long time again today Mario couldn't save Nintendo.
Nintendo fans need face it they going to end up like Sega .
Nintendo going third party wouldn't exactly save them. Sega is practically invisible now, selling only Sonic games and niche RTSes (including the poorly received Rome: Total War II), and were bought up by a company interested only in exploiting Sega for pachinko machines. That of course ignores the huge dip in software quality nearly immediately after they dropped the Dreamcast.
Nintendo's issue with the Wii U is that they were trying to make another Wii-style fad (the name Wii U was clearly meant to pull in that non-gamer crowd). Danny even pointed out the folley of this in his last Wii U video; the Wii became a dust collector after the fad died down. Software outside of its nostalgia mining sold poorly, and the people who bought into the zeitgeist probably forgot they even had one.
The Wii U is a failure, but it has nothing to do with not going full-bore on the internet. It's about their hardware. Gamers hated the Wii Remote, and the casuals who stopped caring soon after they got it were horrified by the GamePad. The end of this here video is pretty much spot-on: Stop with the esoteric hardware, and put those creative energies into their software instead. Regular controller, irregular games, that's where Nintendo's success lies.
Why doesn't Nintendo make a new Console that's more like the n64, great hardware and great games. The WiiU isn't even as powerful as the PS3 so why not make a console that is more powerful than the PS4 or the XBone, that shouldn't be too difficult ;)
Nintendo needs to go third party if they want to bring in new players to there systems (not counting the true hand helds). I do not like the 1st party games they make and I'm sure there are others that think the same thing. As it stands right now the ONLY game that I even want to play on the WiiU is Bayonetta 2 and it is a 60$ game not a 300$+ game
it was the marketing. The name was bad, the ads make the system look like its a handheld, which turns off a lot of people.
Price was too high.
Im not a Nintendo guy, but just because nintendo didnt do so well just ONE time, doesnt mean it has to go 3rd party. For god sake people, give nintendo a break !
Sega did poorly with sega 32x, sega cd, and sega saturn... and just because nintendo now is doing bad with wii u, you say it should stop developing consoles? wtf ??
Give nintendo a break. If by some unfortunate turn of events, nintendo would abandon the console hardware development, you will miss it some day or another.
Back in the day i was a PS2 guy and talked trash about the dreamcast. Now that sega is gone i really miss sega.
Be careful what you wish for.
@kenbub1That's your fault if you get confused.
Two things I'd like to say:
First off, Nintendo can't, won't and shouldn't become a 3rd party developer immediately following the weak Wii U performance. Why? Well, it happened to Sega, yes. However Sega had NUMEROUS flops before they went 3rd party. Nintendo has had one so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the first Wii selling exceptionally well. Thinking they're going down the drain because of a single misstep is just wishful thinking if you're one of those obnoxious, jaded asshats who hates Nintendo but would love to play Nintendo games on a non-Nintendo console. Makes sense, huh?
Second, I do believe the reason Nintendo keeps taking these risks has EVERYTHING to do with nixing out the possibility (or severely limiting) the potential for piracy. I firmly believe that was the reason they stuck with cartridges with the N64, decided to go with mini-DVDs for the Gamecube (best console ever, btw) and decided to make peripherals unavailable on a PC the primary anchor for the Wii and Wii U. They're so deathly afraid their revenue will take a hit because of piracy, however that doesn't seem to keep other companies from turning up a nice profit. In case you haven't noticed I do disagree with their persistence to keep their products piracy-free.
Nintendo is able to take risks like these because they know they'll be able to land on their feet if it fails. That's a pretty fundamental concept for all business. They'll be fine. Shut up already.
Huh. No. What exclusives does PS4 and XB1 have that is appealing. I have tried multiple times with Killzone and that franchise does not keep my attention long. Uncharted is more like a movie than a game. XB1 how many more stupid Halos have to come out before that franchise dies. Racing games have little interest for me, good bye Forza, The Crew, Drive Club. The only exclusives that look appealing are the Indie games (resogun, hell divers, mercenary kings, transistor, and the witness. They are not worth spending $400 for a console. I might consider it once the price comes down around the $200 threshold on ebay.
No reason to paint a picture of doom and gloom.Nintendo's war chest can keep them going for a while. The problem they are having is getting more partnerships with 3rd party dev. Their handhelds sell like hot cakes cause it gets so much 3rd party support. If they cant do that in the console space they will be in major trouble.
the real question should be
should Gamespot aka hacks stop Trashing the Wii U every second of every day
not sure what the mystery is here. they made the same mistake before by not making enough consoles to stock the shelves and the interest slowly fizzled out. I had to buy one on ebay from someone just to get it in the same month of release it was in such high demand. I got it and was put-off by the lack of interesting games for MONTHS. thats why people lost interest in this console.
Its funny how the 2 consoles Ive had the most fun with in recent times are the ones selling the worst... Wii U and Vita....
"... perhaps they should stop taking so many crazy, creative risks in their hardware and do more of it in their software"
Bingo. I think this is the most reasonable advice I've ever heard anyone suggest to Nintendo. Hell, I've been feeling (and occasionally saying) just this for years!
This problem of lack of innovation in their first party IPs and games has been felt way back in the glory days of the Wii (at least for us long time Nintendo gamers). They got lucky with the Wii and their hardware risks paid off and led to some marvelous gameplay innovations. The undeniable reality is that this HASN'T and WON'T happen on the Wii U. Can Nintendo find the magic without a quirky new hardware innovation to fuel it? I don't know. Their track record for that is neither positive or negative. It will take a long time to get our answer and there will be no shortage of speculation along the way. It will only end when they either snap this lack of Wii U sales or bring us the next console very early into this generation.
All gamers will hold their breath secretly praying for Nintendo's success (even while they slam them out of the corners of their mouths). We all love games, we all love dedicated game consoles and platforms. The console world will suffer greatly without the presence of big N. Microsoft and Sony have both said this, clearly and distinctly. They want Nintendo to succeed so that the throw away experiences of Facebook and iPhone games are kept a safe distance from the real gaming experience. If Nintendo falls, that gap closes and we all will suffer for it, Nintendo fan boys and haters alike!
If nintendo created a console as powerful as the next gen consoles and had the same amount of third party support as those consoles with triple a games they would be dominating. Great games that are only for the xbox and ps3 are few and far between when compared to nintendo's lineup. But their lineup alone isn't enough to draw consumers. Nintendo needs to suck it up, build a powerful console, and take a loss when selling their consoles like sony and microsoft.
I don't think they should stop making consoles, as much as they need to start making consoles that are on par with other current generation consoles. If Nintendo made a console that rivaled the power of the ps4 and xbox one, it would come down to the games, that which Nintendo does better than anyone else. Nintendo has always been in the forefront of new control mechanisms, but this time, with the tablet, I think they gambled badly.
Maybe Wii U doesn't sell because you have to hold a bloody flat screen tv in order to play it, it's simply a bad gimmick.. i really hope they would just release their games on other platforms.. i'd love to be able to play zelda on another platform..
I used to think Nintendo had the best consoles. But now I think they need to get away from all this "innovative" and casual stuff. They are fooling themselves if they thought that gamers didn't want a super powerful gaming console. Since gamers are already complaining about the the two newest machines being underpowered compared to PCs. They could have made a powerful gaming machine and just incorporated tablet and smartphone integration like the other two are doing. But we got what we have now, that's only marginally better than the 360, in terms of graphical fidelity.
I will give Nintendo one thing, I think that their games are more fun than anything that's out on the two new consoles. (Except for Killer Instinct, that game is super fun.) All of Nintendo's games are always so much fun to play.
I think if Nintendo isn't going to go 3rd party, they need to bring out a console that's more powerful than Xbone and PS4. One that's upgradable and doesn't require a camera or a tablet. But, make all the other existing Nintendo peripherals work with it. The WiiMotes, the WiiU gamepad, and even the 3DS can be used to control this system that's more powerful than the other two, that plays the definitive versions of all the best games, and plays all of their own fantastic games.
They would dominate the market! And I wouldn't even care about what I spent on the WiiU because I was getting something better, that I can use all the stuff I have from Nintendo already. Even if it was like $700, just make it better than the other two next gen consoles.
I don't see Nintendo as a third party. It's not ego, it's that their hardware is part of the software content. I believe that when designing the Wii U they had the entire game experience in mind. This is what separates Nintendo from the competition. It's that they design their hardware around their first party games.
@jcknapier711 Actually, a major problem with the Wii U is that the game experience is disconnected from the hardware gimmick. It seems like they designed the console first, and then tried to figure out how to make it fun, and they're having a tough time figuring it out.
On Wii, everybody got it. Wii Sports. You swing the controller, it swings the bat. It was easy, simple, and low learning curve.
On Wii U, you have as many buttons as the so-called "intimidating" other consoles, plus a giant screen in the middle, which you also need to touch in specific places, and pay attention to both your TV and controller screens and switch between the two, and sometimes you're waving the controller around in the air like a fool, and it's all just too much!!
There's really no benefit that the touch screen brings to console games--even Valve is dropping it from their Steambox controller. Why touch a screen when we can just press a button? The whole point of a controller is to not have to look at what you're doing. Even as a veteran gamer of every Nintendo generation, Nintendoland is, for the most part, utterly bewildering. It probably scares the crap out of the casuals.
And the value of being able to do off-TV play just isn't there. You need to be within 20 feet of the TV, so why aren't you playing on the TV?? That's why you bought a home console!!
The whole Wii U proposition is a mess. Like Danny said, the package isn't appealing, even if they're still making [a few] quality games. When the interface overshadows the experience, it's a fail. That's why I don't go to 3D movies, either: the format gets in the way of my enjoyment.
I don't agree. You have one larger screen (your TV) and a smaller touch screen. The layout is instantly familiar if you own DS or 3DS. It's just a giant 3DS without the 3D. No learning curve for either the gamers or the dev.
I think the problem is, they released it too early. They knew that the following year they would have to go head to head with the launch of the PS4 and XB1 so they tried to get a head start. Problem is, they had no games. The console is just now getting the launch line up that it should have had on day one.
Now everyone is saying that there is some issue with the entire concept or the hardware but that is just not the case. The concept is proven with the 3DS and the hardware is fine. It's consumer confidence that is the problem
Yes. They can keep the handheld but for the love of god go third party for home consoles. They make a slither of a profit on the hardware and from the looks of things they will be a distant third this generation. Think of the user base they could sell to if they go XBone and PS4.
They should stay away from mobile though. Nintendo games would suck on mobile and it would kill sales of their handhelds which are doing and always have done really well.
@DarthLod Gee, someone here forgot about the Wii.
@cablemodemx2 So graphics will make a bad game good? Talk about incapability...
@Responder @cablemodemx2 Oddly enough, I don't recall making any such statement about bad games. Someone reading could have believed I was suggesting that placing already good games on more powerful hardware could make them better. To believe that I was making some assumption about bad games becoming good, based on what I said, is rather illogical. The incapability, it would seem, is not my own.