The Point - Is the Wii U a failure?

Danny asks if the successful launches of the PS4 and Xbox One have hailed the beginning of the end for the struggling Wii U.

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andrescapo_
andrescapo_

Its all about what everyone likes. Personally, I haven't bought a PS4 yet cause there is nothing interesting to play. I usually buy the sony console for the multiplatform games that do not come out for the Nintendo console (mostly japanese games, like Naruto and Tales of).

Tales of Zestiria and the next Naruto game are coming out for PS3, so there is even less reason for me to buy a PS4. I think I will most likely buy one by the time FF XV comes out, if it is a good game, I have my hopes up for that one.


On the other hand, I'm extremelly excited for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and to hear details about the new Zelda during E3 this year. I'm also interested in Mario Kart 8.

Shango4
Shango4

Excellent video man keep up the good work.

Abruzzii
Abruzzii

Danny, are you a second child yourself? I lol'd 

RobGrizz
RobGrizz

If you even have to ask, the answer is probably "yes"

Great video

Bigtakilla
Bigtakilla

    To this I say look at VG Chartz and look at what is being sold in all the countries it covers. In the US, nothing next gen sold except for Pokemon X and Y for 3DS, Europe is almost entirely Playstation, and in Japan nothing next gen is selling besides what is on Nintendo platforms (3D World, Party U, NSMBU, Pokemon X and Y, One Piece, and Hatsune Miku). So are you saying (just based on sales) all of the next gen games currently out are crap? In the top 10 global, the only next gen games that sold were Fifa 2014, Ghosts, Super Mario 3D World, and Pokemon X and Y (X and Y getting the most sales and placing 6th).


       Secondly, you say the Wii U has had a year up on it's competition, and then you bring up Lightning Returns. None of the Next Gen systems have the install base of the previous gen, even worldwide compared to Japan, so what's your point there? Guess what game placed 1st and 2nd in worldwide charts the week of the 1st of Dec? Ghosts for PS3 and Xbox 360, with third place overall sales going to Just Dance 2014 for the Wii.

       As far as next year, two more huge games you excluded from the list was Monolithsoft's X and Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei. Add that to Mario Kart, Smash, DKTF, and Bayonetta 2 and you got a pretty decent list of games coming out. Along with Watchdogs, but as you said and I agree with won't please the graphics whores.


       In conclusion I will say you might have jumped the gun a little bit with this whole the Wii U is dead thing. Its sales are climbing and analysts are saying social media web sites have pegged the Wii U as the most wanted gaming console. Does that mean it will outsell PS4 or the Xbone? No, but it does means it isn't a failure. There is interest, and there are growing sales.

PyreofKoL
PyreofKoL

This made me sadder than it probably should've. It hurts to acknowledge what I've known in the back of my mind about the Wii U for some time now, particularly as I'm very fond of the console but...I simply can't deny it. I'm a GameStop employee and get a lot of guff about the Wii U (until a customer comes around asking about one and I'm not working that day) from my co-workers. This is the internet so it doesn't particularly matter but I'll go ahead and give my take on the Wii U situation anyway. I feel that the console isn't dead yet, though it's close. I purchased AC IV for the Wii U and didn't see any major graphical differences from the 360/PS3 versions, and it played just as well as any of those versions. The sad thing is, PS3/360 visuals are no longer relevant benchmarks as of the 15th and 22nd of November. Third party support is going to be even more difficult to come by now for Nintendo since they're once again behind the curve hardware-wise. The do or die moment for the Wii U is going to be Super Smash Bros U. The alarmingly poor sales of Super Mario 3D World is a very worrisome indicator but Smash Bros is a different beast. It's one of the rare games in the industry that just cannot do any wrong and if it fails to substantially inflate Wii U sales then even I'll call the system officially dead. Hopefully SSBU will work its magic, though.

BLKCrystilMage
BLKCrystilMage

I think it's a little irresponsible to suggest that the Wii U may be a failed console so early in its lifespan. Lest we forget, the PS3 was struggling for over a year after its launch, and it eventually turned out okay. That being said, I think Nintendo kind of screwed themselves over with this console. The Wii wore out its welcome as a gimmick long ago, so I was astonished that Nintendo was going to try and keep up with another gimmicky console rather than a console with a good, old-fashioned handheld controller.

The library is the big issue for the Wii U down the line: Third party developers didn't want to develop for the Wii because for traditional games, most people prefer normal controllers, and the same will apply here. No developers want to limit themselves by designing a game around an odd controller unless they're contractually obligated to, so Nintendo will have to rely on their first party games. Even then, all the Mario games released in the last 3 years or so have been the same 2 or 3 games repackaged an infinite number of times. Nobody is going to want to buy New Super Mario 3D Whatever because Nintendo has released so many similar games under the "New Super Mario" heading that people have kind of stopped caring. I think that most of Nintendo's profits are going to come from their handheld systems in the future, as their consoles haven't shown much staying power.


tl;dr: The Wii U probably won't do too well at the end of this generation, but we should at least give it a chance to surprise us (even if it probably won't).

katerinafm
katerinafm

My little cousins JUST got a Wii u the other day (I wish they had asked for my opinion, I would have recommended something that would have lasted them longer and costed around the same money, like the PS4), but I guess it works for kids that mostly just want to play Mario and such (they're 11 and 7 years old). Personally even when I played it at a games store it felt uncomfortable to use; Having to look back and forth between the two screens made me dizzy :/.

bubba_1988
bubba_1988

"If 2013 was really the year of Luigi then that dude was paying it 3DS"


Damn great.

jellystanchina
jellystanchina

It makes me a little sad that the Wii U is not doing great things compared to the others.  Nintendo has made something special for a console for so very long.  To me the NES was the first game system to really go toe-to-toe with the coin ops. It was a great thing to be able to play video games without going broke at an arcade.  It's not to late for Nintendo, they still have the power to try again. Go Nintendo!

Wawas20
Wawas20

yes the wiiu is dead. they should just go just handhelds 

good_sk8er7
good_sk8er7

It's sad business, but it really is struggling.

Hopefully they'll be able to compete with Sony and Microsoft this generation.

I've decided to pick up a Wii U after the holidays.

I would hate for it to fail after buying it.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/nintendo-sony-microsoft-wii-ps4-xbone/

Someone posted this below, but it really deserves to be seen by everybody- casual gamer and "fanboy" alike.  


"The console wars? Total bull. 100% total unadulterated bovine excrement. If the console wars were so important and so big for investors this holiday season, why was it not brought up between four people at that moment on TV? Wouldn’t this be worth noting? Perhaps not, if the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar. Which it is. It’s business to them, but that business interest can make even more money if you, the gamer, are being made to feel like you have to pick a side (lest all be lost!). “They” have found their pot of gold, and your hobby is no longer made for fun. No, you are a part of them making money. It’s just a question of wringing out the greatest possible sum."

Pretty much.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

This dude (Danny) always looks like he smells a fart.  I don't know if it's his eyebrows, or his eye/mouth combination- but it literally looks like he stepped into the studio where someone let a fart simmer.

Phrase_Universe
Phrase_Universe

I would love to play Mario 3D World. But I'm not spending $300 just to play it. So I understand what he's trying to say here. 

superhippy420
superhippy420

O yea for all you people that keep bragging about Knack sales here are the official numbers as of right now Worldwide.


SM3DW (710,000) vs. Knack (270,000).   The only games that are selling well on the new consoles are COD,Battlefield, and Killzone, which once again proves that the only people buying them are the shooter fans. 

superhippy420
superhippy420

Well considering SM3DW is already at 710k sold (Vgchartz for proof), which is double of what Galaxy sold in the 1st 2 weeks, and the console sales have gone up by a ton (40 k per week, to 240k), I think it would be foolish to write off the Wii U.  Pikmin (Niche), Wind-Waker (Remake), and W101 (Niche) were never really system sellers while Nintendo launched with NSMBU and the console sold extremly well in its 1st month (almost 3 million).   Once Kart / Smash / Zelda drop in 2014 the only console anyone will want for a while will be the Wii U.  Even the graphics on these games look just as impressive as most of the PS4/Xbone games which is pretty sad because that is the only real new thing on those consoles.

negativeions
negativeions

The Wii U isn't successful because having a second screen to look at isn't as immediate as flinging around a controller and it gives the player something else to focus on other than the TV screen. It's also not as social, the additional screen takes you away from others in the room. All people want is an updated Wii. People have been wanting an updated version of Wii tennis forever and Nintendo didn't deliver. Jokes on you, Nintendo.

freakin9
freakin9

I think the Wii U is fine, but I wouldn't mind an excuse for Nintendo to put out it's next console sooner than expected.   Nintendo really missed an opportunity to give the next-gen starved console fans a truly advanced system.  It would've been fine if the Wii U was the next step in Virtual Reality, or something cool, but instead it's a bad tablet.  Hardly the game changer the Wii-mote was.  Put out a console with at least twice the power of Wii-U, maybe actually change the look dramatically of some of it's main stays so it didn't look so much like the previous generation games and I do think Xbox and Playstation would be in for a real fight between more than just each other.

hellgast0
hellgast0

I've stated this tons of times already.. I don't think Mario alone is good enough to carry the system anymore.

Defender1978
Defender1978

I can't speak for anyone else, but I really like my Wii U.  

john_matrix8953
john_matrix8953

@PyreofKoL  "The alarmingly poor sales of Super Mario 3D World is a very worrisome"


And you actually believing the misleading bullshit all for the sake of being click-bait is very worrisome. 

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

If you buy a Wii U, and get enjoyment out of it, but it still doesn't succeed in the eyes of the masses, would you still consider it a "failure"?  Or would you consider it a success because you have the games that you pick up and play whenever you wanted?


I can tell you, it's going to "fail" in terms of going against $ony/Micro$oft.  This is made evident by every video that comes out that explains how the Wii U is already failing.  


I really don't think Nintendo is in competition with them.  I think Nintendo's only competition is their last iteration.  I've never seen them "sell out" or try to acquire games that just wouldn't make sense on their system.  Their only real compeition is their last spot- and they are getting better each time.  You just have to decide for yourself if that is enough, and not let these media assholes tell you which one you should be enjoying.


Real life experience- "Tomb Raider" reboot.  I got it day one, loved it (as did an isht ton of other people).  It's own developer said it was a "failure".  At that point, we're letting corporations tell us what we should deem successful and what we shouldn't.  I have an inkling that maybe if they didn't see TReboot as a failure, we might have actually gotten some good DLC out of it.  Or even SRIII.  It did good, but not as good as they wanted.  "Enter the Dominatrix" was pushed from being an "April Fool's DLC" to a "full-fledged" game.  And people believe this. 


"Head Start" to "No Child Left Behind".  Someone's losing fucking grounds here.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

"Call me crazy, but I believe that this is the point when other business interests began to see the potential of videogames as more than a hobby for children. Controversy sells, everyone likes a good fight, and a good fight can generate a lot of money for someone. In this respect, the “console wars” became the best thing to ever happen to gaming, but not for us gamers."

RS13
RS13

@Micropixel Did you really just defend the Wii U on the grounds that it outsold the vita? 

santinegrete
santinegrete

@Micropixel  the Japan market, while big, doesn't represent the majority of all of it. This just reminds me how Nintendo always depends on their home turf market when their consoles get stale in the middle of the gen. But this is just the start. It's more like "oh shit not again" for me :(

john_matrix8953
john_matrix8953

@Phrase_Universe Definitely, he's saying "I want to play Uncharted and Halo, but I'm not going to spend 400$ - 500$ to play them."


If Danny couldn't catch that, who's ass did he kiss to get hired?  

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

"The only games that are selling well on the new consoles are COD,Battlefield, and Killzone, which once again proves that the only people buying them are the shooter fans."

Mindless, dickless, brainless drones, is what you're telling me.  Maybe if they made a Mario CoD it would help.

Honestly, Nintendo could care less about contending with Sony and Microsoft.  I think they've already resigned to the fact that they are going to make the same great quality games they've been making forever, and if people want it, people will buy it.  And people are still buying it- it's not like the Wii U is a Sega system or something.  

Fucking Console Wars- open to anyone too afraid to engage in a REAL war.  It's easier to fight one from your sofa than it is to actually go in the line of dut.

angeloti83
angeloti83

they should have made a wii2 instead of this bulky, ugly... not interesting console.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

I feel Nintendo would benefit GREATLY if they created their own Steam kind of service.  Like, a virtual console on CPU that allows access to Nintendo games (every Nintendo game- save for maybe the handheld titles) on your PC.  I'd pay $100-$200 bucks if I could play new Mario games right on my PC.  

The only "next-gen" console I plan on purchasing would be a Wii U so I could play SMW3d- but honestly, it will be emulated soon enough (as the Wii was).  I don't want to pay for a console I'm only going to use for 4 games.  I'd rather pay a console price for a Virtual System that will allow me access to the games.  But that's just me personally.

And think of the shock if Nintendo announced they were going to be doing that.  The groupthink definitely wouldn't be expecting it... 

santinegrete
santinegrete

@hellgast0  they get more niche market every year, but I don't how far that can carry a system while games get more expensive and take longer time to develop.

superhippy420
superhippy420

Yea considering that SM3DW is on pace to sell atleast 1.3 million by the end of the year, thats not really true.   The only games that people are buying on the new consoles are COD,Battlefield, and Killzone. Everything else is just sitting on the shelf.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

Defeneder1978 

Go ahead, show some love for Wii U!  It'd be the only console I'd pony up for if I knew I wasn't going to be emulating it on my PC next year.


As far as I'm concerned, I'm more impressed with the Wii U than PS4 and XBox- not because of technical what-have-you's, but because they've consistently stuck behind their decisions and games.  I get more excited at the news of a new Mario release with a new Nintendo console than I do a new CoD or Battlefield or even... gawd, NBA2Whogivesafuck... with PS4 and XBox.  It's just so... banal to me.


Just converted over to PC, never going back to sub-par consoles again.  Except maybe a Wii U.  Spread the love for Wii U- as you can see, it strokes the ego's of all these other "fanboys".

PyreofKoL
PyreofKoL

@john_matrix8953 @PyreofKoL What are the actual numbers, then? Danny is one of the few gaming journalists that I'm inclined to believe without too much skepticism as his viewpoints usually coincide with that of the average gamer. I admit, however, that I'd be relieved if his information on this was incorrect.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

Lol- are any of the comments on here really necessary?


>crickets chirp<


No?  Didn't think so.

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

Coming from someone with Kratos' eye as an avatar, that'd be like the idiot calling the moron a nudnick.  And you, sir, are definitely an idiot, a moron AND a nudnick.

Micropixel
Micropixel

 "Wii 2" is what they should have called it, that's for sure. I still think the console's biggest obstacle is it's name.

angeloti83
angeloti83

how about AC black flag? and dead rising 3?

BoogieL0ve
BoogieL0ve

@angeloti83 

" good for you... i lovee my ps4!"

Didn't you call someone above a fanboy for showing love for Nintendo?  My gawd, Console Gamers are getting dumber with the release of each new console.  I guess being able to do everything with the touch of one button makes it harder for you to think... let alone think for yourself.

XaK2
XaK2

@BoogieL0ve No, however there is no reason to personally insult someone. I mean I get that you want to sound cool and funny on the internet but it just comes off as lame and cause you to lose credibility. No one's going to listen to a jerk.


Also I noticed you've spent about half your day defending the Wii U. Great job on a day well spent, I'm sure you've changed a lot of minds! While I love the Wii U and the games that I'v played for it, and I am definitely looking forward to some games coming out; I think there is a legitimate reason for concern on if it will be successful. You've questioned a lot of peoples views on success, however enjoyment does not equal success. Something can be loved and adored by many and be talked about for years down the line in a positive light however that does not make it successful. Success (especially in this case) is measured in terms of profitability. If the Wii U doesn't sell enough units to cover the costs of making more units to sell, or to pay for the Wii U's that have already been created then it can't be successful. Also if it doesn't sell enough units to make creating games for it a viable option then it also is not successful. The reason that there is little to no third party support is because developing for the Wii U will yield little if any profit for the developer. 


You mentioned Tomb Raider in another post and how the game was deemed a failure by the developer. Thats because Tomb Raider was a commercial failure. Tomb Raider needed to sell 5-10 million copies (more copies then the entire Wii U install base)  in order to make a profit/cover the costs of development. Its currently only sold around 4 million copies. If this was developed as an exclusive for the Wii U even with 100% of the Wii U owners (around 4 million) purchasing it, it still wouldn't have made enough to cover development costs. It was a failure despite how great of a game it was. If you enjoyed it and think it was a great purchase, then that's what it was: A great purchase. Your enjoyment does not make the game itself a success.


No third party studio will develop for a system that they cant make enough money to pay for the costs to develop. If a third party studio can't do it, then it is reasonable to assume that it would be fairly difficult for Nintendo as well, regardless of how great the games made are. 


Third Party support won't come until there are more hardware units out, but people won't buy any units without games available. Its a catch 22.


Sources for Tomb Raider numbers:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/27/analyst-tomb-raider-cost-100-million-needs-10-million-sales-to-succeed/


http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/tomb-raider-sales-top-4-million?abthid=5217a96520a8c44404000018