The Point: History of Nazis in Games
Danny takes a look at the history of nazis in games, and wonders if video games have desensitized us to the horrors of warfare.
by Danny O'Dwyer on
Rewatched this episode now and first thing that came to my mind was Danny playing Call of Duty and singing: Die you Germans , die for the children. That was one of the best streams I've ever watched.
Great episode, as always you say things that make me think about them after the episode finished like like desensitizing of gamers in this one. Your shows always have a message in them, and that's great. Keep up the good work.
Ill go with the "Confused because of the western people invading his country" explanation as to why the middle eastern nutters are our enemies.
Actually..its probably just best to blame Bush family and Cheney and company. Since..they kind of started it with the help of Saudi Arabia.
Whats strange about Al Qaeda, it was created in the 70's by a polish guy from Warsaw that was telling the American President what to do. What is a polish dude from Warsaw doing advising american presidents anyway?
Thanks Danny. You always bring forth great insight ! Oh and PMCs in the next COD...sounds like the central theme to MGS4. Cheers
thanks Danny for potentially scarring little children's psyches with that ending. little buggers. they need a good dose of... *weeps*
"A bunch of Americans and British turned up..."? Way to edit history or simply ignorance. You forgot the Russians (well, mostly Russians).
Maybe it is really that few of us have been sensitized to the realities of war. Because few people actually know how horrible it must feel to actually kill someone out of self defense we are not affected by doing it in a game.
In order to be desensitized we must first have been sensitized.
"A group of right-wing fascists" Technically isn't every fascist right wing?
Aside from that, AWESOME episode Danny :D
And maybe NOW we have arrived at a full circle. With Call of Duty FINALLY revealing the TRUE motivation of war.....MONEY !!! FINALLY we have reached the only REAL reason for it and will be tackling the Military Industrial Complex that a certain president warned us about. War will NEVER end but MAYBE that is because the human psyche is too wired to be apathetic towards it and WAY too many companies are making BIG $$$ from it. Just like sports.
I just cant get over that intro still LMAO "until a bunch pf Americans and British showed up and murdered the hell outta them
have we gone numb to war? i still feel pretty squeamish to quotes on the BBC like..
"the images from this may shock you.."
would i feel less squeamish if they dropped on a HUD showing ammo count and a health bar.
is it knowing that something that's virtual make us numb?
Good episode by the way :)
It's not Nazis that we are desensitized towards -- it's difficult to be emotionally involved in anything that feels so distant. As someone who's known death camp survivors, and have seen an elderly woman in a rest home reliving her experiences as a prostitute for the Germans while she was a prisoner, it's a lot less distant to me. Seeing something in a movie or a video game is not the same thing as seeing it in real life, or knowing people who have experienced it in real life. It's something that is impossible to relate to unless you've been there and only slightly easier to relate to if you know people who've been there.
What video games do (as well as the news and movies and TV) is desensitize us to violence, which is both good and bad. Being desensitized does mean that it's less painful to deal with. But it also can mean taking it for granted. For most people (especially if you didn't lose anyone to the Nazis or know anyone who lost anyone to them) they are like distant events from books. As we lose more generations, it will continue to become more distant. Which is unfortunate because genocides are still taking place today, and most people just try to ignore them, so they continue to happen time and time again.
"Games are apathetic to the realities of war, because for the most part - so are we" -- that's a damn fine point. well done.
Damn fine show. The combination of humor with relevant social commentary is pure gold, my man. I love the frenetic build-up of absurdity that ends in the cut and the cold, still delivery of "the point." Excellent work once again.
Thanks for continuing the stereotype that it was ONLY the Americans and British that won WWII. Canada clearly never played any role.
The point is getting better and better that last point was some trippy shit man made me seize up for a moment
The Point is I LOVE YOU!!!
I know it has nothing to do with it, but, I think the the Western society is the Ultimate Expression of Evil! And the Germans only tried to pull what they should at the time!!! Talking about genocide or atrocities, i think the Western civilization is much much worse, but they won the war, and have something called PROPAGANDA, to make us think (the sheep) otherwise! I could number a few examples that would outshine the Axis power in the WW2, but i think everyone can just by using a little bit of their brain power...
Wait a second, the FBI is knocking on the door, be right back...
Overall I thought this episode was good. I thought it was a cheap shot associating the Nazis with the Right though. They resemble the right just as much as they resemble the Left, which is not at all.
In this modern political enviorment where the Left compares the Right to Nazis and the Right compares the Left to Nazis, this just shows a lack of respect. It's okay to disagree in an agreeable manner. There is no need to compare people you disagree with to a group many consider the ultimate expression of evil.
I have a lot of respect for you Danny, and enjoy your commentary most of the time. There is no need to take jabs at people like that though.
The last statement is really beautiful. How much did you practice on it Danny?
I'm going to share this with a few good people here who really need to see this.
I think we've always had signs that we chose to be the tyrant. Liquid's Speech in MGS
"you enjoy all the killing." came before we had Spec Ops
even Max Payne quotes....
"Something wicked, this way comes. Max Payne at large. " establishes you as the terror and the mobsters as the fearfully underpowered.
We still have buffers, and real world sensibilities. I think theres a deep adrenaline admiration for the aesthetics or art of ficitionalized violence, while still being horrified at the signs of real suffering. Many of us players probably protested Iraq as those who felt it was their duty to join. Simulated conflict have been at the origin of the majority of games going back frankly...millenia. Many sports games, down to tabletop are simulated warfare at their core, and the origins of team competitive goal games.
But it'd be better if morality narrative in violent games was no longer binary but a matter of surviving chaos like Akira Sleeping Dogs Children of Men or TLOU.
Thats why I was really hoping for Rainbow Six Patriots.
Once again bringing home a very important point without getting preachy or political, a hard thing to do. Bravo Danny.
Danny's not endorsing the next Call of Duty title when he mentioned it, dude.
You aren't able to detect sarcasm when you hear it, are you?
@Martrom It's called satire
@Martrom Stalin sure knew how to slaughter "his" people. oh and forget the "Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact" & "the secret protocol". but yeah France was ill equipped and America didn't want to deliver the needed goods for cause of sympathetic views with Nazism.
@Martrom He's basically pretending to be a generic, ignorant gamer who just loves killing nazis and thinks World War 2 was ended by the Americans. That's why this episode is so brilliant.
@Martrom - actually, since the american and british led the assault on the main land of germany as opposed to the russians who of course where there, but they were more involved in the defense of their own lands.
If you recall, the biggest mistake Hitler ever made, it was trying to get into russia. If he would have left Russia alone, who knows what could have happened.
you would think he would have learned from Napolean's mistakes......i guess not
@LilDannyM Or to kill innocent civilians as collateral damage
@seanmcgee87 He was being satirical
@seanmcgee87 Canada clearly had no role, nor did any other allied nation. It doesn't really matter in the point he is trying to make. He is not giving a full history lesson and shouldn't be held accountable to specific detail, otherwise the video wouldn't be short and succinct.
@EliOli i think most people see Communists as extreme leftists, and Nazis as extreme rightists. Doesn't mean Democrats are Communists and Republicans are Nazis though!
Does he have to go there?