Return of the Space Sim - Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous

We take an early look at Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous, two excellent space sims that show the genre didn't die when the 90s ended: it just went into stasis.

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Discussion

86 comments
Dexyu
Dexyu

What no Limit theory?

PacoTaco
PacoTaco

I'm not sure today's gamers can handle a space fighter sim.  No checkpoints and no hand-holding?  Can't do it.

Konuvis
Konuvis

This seems like a good place to ask.


What are you guys using for a Joystick these days? I used to have a Sidewinder and a Wingman Strike FF but I've long since misplaced them so I'd like to get a new one.


Also if I get a modern joystick (most likely usb) will it work in old dosbox type games like Rebel Assault, Wing Commander, X-Wing....

wa128
wa128

graphics have come a long way :P

dellis66
dellis66

Where are they finding all this unexpected humor in their vids.... I like it :-)


Alecmrhand
Alecmrhand

I found Elite when i was a kind and loooooved it.  The classical music the docking computer played is something ill never forget, and one of my first memories of gaming euphoria.


I cannot wait to get my hands on Elite:Dangerous....but....im not all that into the extreme early access stuff....so ill just drool at your footage for now.


Someday though......my docking computers will rock again!

Baconelite
Baconelite

I love space sims. I still play Freelancer once in a while.

amdreallyfast
amdreallyfast

I really hope that I can get a job and build a new PC before one of these come out.  Space is full of potential.  Star Trek and Star Wars introduced the idea of encountering all manner of bizarre alien cultures, opened up the idea of space exploration and combat.  Perhaps that's why I like those universes so much.  I look forward to leaving the ground again, although I have no idea which of these two I would rather go for.

Orontes13
Orontes13

Elite Dangerous seems to have much better potential for a single player experience. Hence I will prefer it over Star CItizen. I dont care for annoying human players interfering with my game, or to be forced to depend upon other players to have more "fun". I love Elite's treatment of its dynamic universe, and persistent NPCs.

Vojtass
Vojtass

I hope that many people will buy joystick for these games. I can't even imagine using mouse or gamepad.

BTW - good work GS. Keep writing about space-combat sims. Well, maybe except Eddie's news ("Star Citized reached [insert amount of $] milestone").

wristbreaker
wristbreaker

need to upgrade my Phenom  II X4 processor and Mobo... Also need to buy a new gpu... I dont think my GTx 550Ti would cut it... then I have to buy me that oculus headgear... it will probably cost me around $1500... damn... have to sell one of my kids for that...

moonlightwolf01
moonlightwolf01

Can't wait for both of these but I've got to admit that I wish there was one that wasn't so open world/multiplayer focused coming out. Used to love playing x-wing and tie fighter where the focus was all on the missions and combat rather than picking up loot or ferrying cargo. Sure I'd still like multiplayer element, i can just imagine how great it would co-oping missions in tie fighter with you're friends as wing men instead of the ai but it would nice to have a game where you felt like part of a military organisation instead of just a random pilot setting out in the galaxy to do stuff.

fragsnipa
fragsnipa

Dude how can you forget to say freelancer.  That one of the best space sims of alltime.

dmdcsm
dmdcsm

Excited about both, it's been so long since this genre had quality titles. I'll buy them all just so maybe publishers will make them again.

Syphen_bast
Syphen_bast

Absolutely excited about both games, i haven't played any space simulator since wing commander, and that's way way back.


Soon enough is not soon enough in this situation.

Spyre1984
Spyre1984

I've backed Star Citizen, but Elite is actually looking a lot better from the footage I've seen on Youtube. I love the engine sounds and effects they've put into it. 

It also appears to run really smoothly, albeit I haven't seen a stable version of Star Citizen yet. The hanger module for Star Citizen is atrocious. I pray it's zero reflection on the final release.

glitch2424
glitch2424

@PacoTaco It's not about hand holding, really - it's about having a good tutorial that doesn't leave out the details (so "youngins" and veterans alike dont have to results to mr. Google and forums to find out how the game mechanics work).

EastsideBlazers
EastsideBlazers

@Konuvis


I've been looking at the X-55 Rhino by Saitek. That's the one that the developers seem to be using too...

Zloth2
Zloth2

@Konuvis I've still got my old Thrustmaster and it still works just fine.  I even used it a bit in X3:Terran Conflict.

MondasM
MondasM

@Alecmrhand  

strauss - blue danube (an der schönen, blauen donau)... :)

Spyre1984
Spyre1984

@amdreallyfast I'm hoping my job can afford me a new video card and CPU, as I'm going to need it to enjoy the games on the highest details. :D

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@Orontes13There is a development team in RSI focused entirely on creating that single player experience with motion captured cinematics, voiced acting and absolutely no interference from other players.

TwoTime69
TwoTime69

@moonlightwolf01  Star Citizen will include a full 50+ mission single player/co-op campaign to go along with the open world multiplayer you hear about more in the news.  I am with ya on tie fighter and xwing, hopefully they will be able to capture some of that magic with Squadron 42.

the_hunger
the_hunger

@fragsnipa Actually, if some company just made a great Freelancer 2 worthy of the title, I could easily forget all of these newcomers to the genre, especially with all of their dubious boasting about how great their alpha code is and big plans for the future.

Anyhow, I'm definitely in the market for a good space sim, so I guess I'll keep an eye on these two.

Sonic4545
Sonic4545

@Spyre1984 Elite has only been in development for 2+ years longer than SC...I would expect it to look better.

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@Spyre1984 They're both at different stages of development - saying one is more polished then the other is completely irrelevant since that is obviously going to change dramatically by the time both are released.

zerohournow
zerohournow

@Spyre1984 that dogfight demo they gave wasnt very impressive either...I smell a turd on the way.

Konuvis
Konuvis

@Zloth2 @Konuvis  I've been doing a bit of research and I think I may get the Thurstmaster T Flight Hotas X

Orontes13
Orontes13

@Sl4cka @Orontes13  I am concerned more about the dynamic world sandbox gameplay.. like X series. Elite seems to be shaping up as a better option on that regard, for solo players.

sfried
sfried

@Vojtass Why would you rely on such plebian controls? Space sims have always be meant to be played with flightstick and keyboard in much the same way its best to play racing sims with a wheel and pedals. Mice are only good for FPSs.

Zloth2
Zloth2

@TwoTime69 @moonlightwolf01 I believe the open world system can also be done single player on your own, private server.  In fact, I think you have to do that if you want to play a modded game.

Sonic4545
Sonic4545

@the_hunger @fragsnipaThe creator of Star Citizen, Chris Roberts, made Freelancer and Wing Commander.  he has said SC is a successor to both.

Zloth2
Zloth2

@the_hunger @fragsnipa Uhh, Elite predates Freelancer by at least ten years.  The whole genre is often called "Elite style gameplay."

pecisk
pecisk

@Sonic4545 @Spyre1984 wrong. ED has been in actual development for little bit more than a year, since February of 2013. Yeah, they had plans. Yeah, they had theoretical side of PG stuff all laid out. However, they needed to do all code from scratch.

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@zerohournow It was a tech demo. The purpose was to show the progress so far of a very early pre-alpha build. It wasn't trying to impress anyone or show off a game.

Orontes13
Orontes13

@Sonic4545  @Yuusha09   Sounds good. Then I will have two games to play. Just that Elite Dangerous has released more info about its dynamics factions and wars, events, multiple levels of NPCs and so on... I will be glad if SC ends up having a solo experience of similar level.

Sonic4545
Sonic4545

@Orontes13 The single player campaign, Squadron 42, isn't a sandbox game.  It's not until you join the PU that it becomes sandbox.


SC has a single player game, like Elite plus a Massive sandbox universe you join after you beat S42, or if you choose to bypass it.

Yuusha09
Yuusha09

@Orontes13 You can hire NPCs in Star Citizen to crew / gun for your ship so you never have to rely on a human.  You can also turn off the PvP slider and only encounter NPCs if you so choose.  The economy will also be based on the idea that 75%-ish of the world is NPCs and the player base makes up the final 25% or so.  Players can influence but never fully control the entire economy.  Star Citizen will give you the option to play solo if you want that.  Having said that, I understand your concerns / play-style and hope this helped peak your interest... just a little.

Freedomination
Freedomination

@sfried @Vojtass Freelancer wasn't too bad with a mouse. TIE-fighter was horrible. Dogfighting was actually physically demanding. I think i broke a mouse playing that. Great game though..

naz99
naz99

@Zloth2 @the_hunger @fragsnipa  


It's actually nearly 20 years before freelancer :P


elite came out in 1984 and freelancer in 2003.


It's great to see grandpa Elite back to show the kids how it's done :D

Orontes13
Orontes13

@Sl4cka @zerohournow  Well it did not show much of "progress". I expected more, and better, after more than 2 years and $42m later. So please excuse us for being a little sceptic.

Syphen_bast
Syphen_bast

@Spyre1984 "man nappy" hehehe xD good one.


No mate, i was just curious, because like you said "atrocious" just seemed a little too much.


I do agree with you on the sound subject in Elite, and its really looking awesome, which really does tickle my inner nerd lol.


I came about Elite many months after hearing about SC, i never played any Elite games, and the fact that both producers talked in a podcast, made it seem they really have a healthy relation with each other, that alone made me wish the best to both.


So in the end i really hope both succeed for our own enjoyment. Its a win win..win. 

Spyre1984
Spyre1984

@pip3dream @Syphen_bast@Spyre1984 Yeah, atrocious may have been a bit harsh. But to reiterate, it doesn't excite me or tickle my space sim nerdism when I meander around the brokenly animated ship museum.

Now relax your man nappy. I know I know, it's all subject to change. We don't need captain obvious to point that out. You can't go scrutinizing over the game at this point, but I'm less excited about it right now than I am about Elite. Elite's gameplay videos really make me giddy at the knees. Every time I hear that engine throttling up, I feel all happy inside.

Looking forward to both games, but more interested in Elite right now. Thank God we can talk comparatively about future space sim games ey! :D