Reality Check - What if the PS4 or Xbox One Fail?
Cam investigates if competition between the PS4 and Xbox One is good for us, the humble consumer.
THe leaps and bounds of this next gen hardware is minimal. I dont see either console reaching 8 year life span.
The impact of a monopoly on the industry has been documented. In the wake of the industry crash, Nintendo swept in and effectively became the only relevant hardware maker, at least in the US. As a result, third parties were bullied into censorship and loyalty contracts, as well as limited in how many games they could put out on a year, effectively cutting off consumer choice until Sega broke through with the Genesis, and their own exclusive third parties.
In the time between the NES' And Genesis' debuts, Nintendo strangled competition and dictated content. If either Sony or Microsoft were to fail, expect the other one to make Nintendo's 80s monopoly look like a paradise in comparison.
Interesting question but one thing I personally find interesting is this:
How come there is no name for this 'schadenfreude' phenomenon in the English language (neither British, American, Australian nor any other) when there is in the German (schadenfreude) and Hungarian (káröröm) languages? There might be in others too, but English has an Anglo-Saxon origin which is a germanic language, thus a connection to the German word might be a natural expectation, yet there is none.
I wonder if anyone has a legitimate idea about this.
I think they'd make more money if they just went the fuck away as Console Makers and just focused on making games. Like, Nintendo games on PC- via an online Nintendo store in the vein of Steam. Hell, they could even charge $200 for the app to play their games on PC, like you would for a console.
I don't get involved with console wars, as I don't get involved with consoles. Being on Gamespot is weird- it's full of angry Console Gamers. Over at Rock, Paper, Shotgun (a PC game site), it's a different world. There aren't too many ego's that need stroking, and everyone is on the same plane.
I would take IMMENSE pleasure in both MS and Sony burning in the console market. I don't care for them, and I think the way their "console wars" makes people (especially adults) act is COMPLETELY amazing. If you EVER need to be reminded that we're all just animals, come to Gamespot every 4-5 years when a new console (or GTA) is dropping, and watch the empty meat sacks attack the other meat sacks.
P.S.- Groupthink can suck my left testicle. I won't shave it for a week, so it's nice and furry for you.
So far so good, I got my PS4 3 days ago and it works great ! , no complains except for the limited game availability, IIIIII looove my PS4 :-D
I got it from best buy.... in case you wondered.
We hate on people different because it helped the clan prosper amidst scarce resources in hunter-gatherer times. It's the root of all prejudice.
Having competition among the console manufacturers is a good thing. Heck, I wish they hated each others guts. There'd be less risk of 'cooperation'. Any time you have only 2 competitors they tend to share the monopoly position (ATT, TWC for example). Lets hope the Steam Machine opens the market up to a third alternative.
The main thing all those studies tell us is that humans are fekked up. Which most of us already knew. There are probably plenty of aliens travelling around space that stay away from Earth because they all hate us, lol :P
so I have been fighting my inner troll for 30 years....
being nice and all that crap...
time to embrace my true nature
I shall thrive on suffering and build my life and future on the bone piles of other creatures
humanity.... your fucked now....
screw helping people cross the street... now I will just push them in front of buses for the lolz
funny thing is... if I do all this I might just run for president and win, AND get a nobel peace prize
when rich people fail and suffer it DOES make me feel happy
I dont know why
in fact I love it the most when they die slowly and painfully
in all honesty industry=cash grubbing assholes
it's not about who you cheer for, it's about the lesser evil
i would go with valve if they had a plan for a PC like console
by all means sony doesn't give a crap about their consumers
they want fanboys, they want money
they want to put their competition out of business
there is no doubts about it, it's part of capitalism .
Xbox One needs to fail. Microsoft must leave the console business and we should welcome a brand new competitor with open arms. Or Sega with a Sega Dreamcast 2.
Really enjoyed the show Cam. Interesting connection made about schadenfreude (had to copy and paste that word!). Now I don't need to feel so bad about taking pleasure when someone else is miserable *evil laughter resonates in the background*. A bit more related to topic, I still believe some competition is better than no competition. A monopoly is likely to bring down product quality.
Thanks for going through all the trouble of researching about studies on schadenfreude (another c&p) and even how to say the very word. This is why I come to Gamespot instead of IGN.
For me the best time for gaming was when PSOne was only console worth mentioning. Halfassed games weren't released as often as they are now.
Now we mostly get graphics improvements, and either gameplay and/or story stucks.
IMO games had to be better 'cause competitions among developers was higher, and we had more choices when buying games, so why would you buy halfassed games, if you have good ones, for me there isn't more than 20 games worth owning on PS3, XBOX360 has maybe 3 or 4 exclusives that are worth owning. But when crappy console (such as Wii U) steals an exclusive (like Bayonneta 2), than it annoys me.
Plus there weren't consoles that could take away great games as exclusives. (IMO. In later years Gamecube and N64 couldn't really compare to PSOne)
I think that it'd be better if consoles weren;t exlusive.if their was a univeral design. Like how a dvd can be played on any dvd player regardless of it's made by pasnasonic, sony, or toshiba. There'd still be competion but it'd be more open because more companies could get into console manufacturing without having to worry about overcoming the hurdle securing exclusive titles.
Gamers win because they wouldn't have to buy multiple consoles just to play a few exclusives titles. Also it'd cut down on the console war because then everyone console would play the same game. Your choice would just come down to which system has the best interface, most cost effective, aesthetically pleasing, best features, or rendered the games to your liking.
So... people are biologically conditioned to troll.... thats what I got out of this vid. Time to go troll and blame biology....
A console monopoly basically can't happen. For a monopoly to actually exist the situation isn't simply that there is
a single company in that sector, in practice the additional requirement
that no other company can enter that business is required. There are too many players on the fringes of the core market for that to possible such as Nintendo, Valve, and then some viable long shots such as nvidia, Apple. If either Sony or Microsoft dropped out then that space would look a lot more appealing than it does now.
However what we have seen in previous console generations is not a true monopoly but the core market having a single dominant console such as with the Playstation. This past generation was the exception with something approaching parity in the core market. However Sony essentially had no direct competition in Asia for the PS3 and it didn't lead to price hikes. There's actually various mechanisms that can push down prices even without competition especially when an industry is essentially selling a service as opposed to a commodity. For example the business model of expendables, if you sell at a lower price people may buy more overall, anyone who uses steam regularly probably gets stung by this in the Steam sales. Further the idea of competition pushing down prices through supply and demand is a flawed oversimplification. Even in that environment "premium" products can be used to push up prices if there is a section of the market that will support it or can be goaded into supporting it.
I'd like to see more than just 2 choices. An obvious third choice is Nintendo, but Nintendo needs to pick up its game, release a current gen console (on par with Xbox&PS4) and allow more outside developers' games and ideas. Competition breeds excellence; and better games, which is really what we want. Regardless of the console.
i always knew babies were evil...there's no way something can be so cute...they know what they're doing!!
Yr un peth wedi dod lan am Nvidia ac ATI(AMD nawr) yn y gorffenol diweddar.
Dwi ddim yn siwr os ydw I'n mynd I cael unrhyw un o'r consolau hyn oherwydd mae gen I cyfrifiadur am gemau a dwi ddim yn cael dim digon o arian o gwbl am un o nhw, OND, mae'n da iawn fod y dau yn mewn cystadleuaeth oherwydd yn y diwedd mae'n gwell ac rhatach am y pobl sydd yn chwarae gemau, bydd un o'r cwmniau ddim yn gallu fod yn barus gyda dros prisio wedyn ti weld =P
Wnes I dim dal y term ti wedi defnyddio agos i diwedd y fideo ond mae'n diddorol iawn.
The puppets and babies study immediately made me think of Republicans and the people supporting them.
I love this show!
Nice of you guys to give the Oculus Rift some airtime. That is a game changer I'm looking forward to!
@hadlee73 Exzachery! I wouldn't be surprised if there is some Galactic Federation (is that right?) out there that knows of us and stays away from us like a Kardashian avoids underwear.
People are amazingly fucked up. Case in point- "The Knockout Game". Fucking people deserve to die and not have ANY traces of our existence left to be found.
@vadagar1 And cry out "How could this happen to me?!" It's a fucking dream come true.
@SpookyJack Steam should take M$ place. Great prices no shady deals or policies.
@zappobubble ...if people didn't buy the monopoly's shit, then there wouldn't be a... well, monopoly. Competition is great- if people were mature enough to handle it like adults.
Newsflash- we're not. At least, not Americans.
@unikat "But when crappy console (such as Wii U) steals an exclusive (like Bayonneta 2), than it annoys me."
Your annoyance gives me a HAPPY. I guess you weren't around for the NES or the SNES... if you were, you wouldn't be saying, "the best time for gaming was when PSOne was only console worth mentioning."
@Chaos_Dante_456 well done, I totally agree. The only reason this will never happen is because, quite honestly, Microsoft and Sony NEED their fanboys to fight their war every time a new console comes out. That's how they can get away with such a limited number of QUALITY games on launch. Launch games suck, but the fanboys say "Well, it's only the beginning." Then, they complain about limited video game selections.
I am ALL for no-exclusivity. It's horrible for human nature. And you can't. Fuck. With. Nature. It'll fuck with you back.
@Chaos_Dante_456 Unrealistic, but yes, that would be nice.
@XCyberForceX Only a loser likes competition. Why can't it all just co-exist? Why does one have to be better than the other, and the other has to hear about it (with BOTH sides improperly thinking theirs is better)?
Seriously, competition would be cool if people knew how to handle it. You don't.
"Competition is good for the consumer." That just how XBox/Sony people think. There's no talking to these guys.
@wyattwoolley "Competition breeds excellence; and better games." Get outta here with that corporate, triflin' bullshit.
There is ABSOLUTELY no proof of this. Look at all these games with QTE. Whether it's because the developers were trying to save money on making their game, or simply it is "competition" with other games that have QTE, but that is NOT a better game.
No, what competition does, in the game world, is splits it's community between XBox and Sony fanboys. And in MOBA's, it turns people into complete assholes. The average gamer just can't handle compeition- it's like they all want their nutsacks weighed to show who's is bigger, when in reality, it should just be about the GAME, not the company publishing it.
But, stay divided between Xbox and Sony.
@ThePlantain kids are not only evil but sadistic fuckers
@Johny_47 Aslamalakem. Gesundheit.
@Buck_Swaggler Just keep in mind that it's HUMAN NATURE. What you just said (while I agree) is EXACLTY what those evil little condom failures were doing.
@dmdavenport You're kidding, fanboys are everywhere. Look at all the sports fanatics, it's all for fun.
Dude, now you got me thinking here... O_o
@gf61 Steam is DRM. It's one big shady policy on its own. GoodOldGames.com is where it's at. DRM-free & respects the consumer.
@quickshooterMk2 GOG has 662 titles as of yet and continues to grow. A great article regarding DRM was published not to long ago here on Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-dev-publishers-use-drm-as-smokescreen-to-cover-their-a-es/1100-6416136/
And that's the exact reason why you're not seeing most modern AAA games on GOG. And what's that talk of "indie garbage"? Not every game needs to be the AAA multiplayer throwaway hit of the month, y'know...
@SpookyJack that i agree, but with the DRM comes all the console benefits
automatic updates,steam servers,UI friends,workshop mods,free games trials and more
steam is a DRM but it's a service, and GOG has bearly 200 titles (200 other titles are indie garbage)
if game companies wanted their games to be DRM free then GOG would have plenty, but the best RPG series is DRM free there
but steam's service is the PC gamer only choice of how to play games