Reality Check - Titans in Real Life? The Science of Titanfall

Cam investigates the science of real life Titans in this week's Reality Check.

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99 comments
risbo_23
risbo_23

Wait, what? Someone killed Bamby?!

nameaprice
nameaprice

why does titan fall look like s***?

GunEye
GunEye

I would like to see both Titans and Metal Gears in real life. Honestly not sure why it isn't possible:

Here in Israel: we design and produce state of the art - unmanned and robotic weaponry and vehicles:

un-manned boat, un-manned aerial drone, un-manned controller guided rockets. bigger planes. even tanks.


So why not make them bipedal? or manned for that instance?

honestly unmanned robotics is the way of the future, not risking human lives. One big machine can take out squads of terrorists with a small degree of mechanic damage. 

Don_Shadio
Don_Shadio

i wonder how many deers I've killed in Skyrim.. 

aegis_kleais
aegis_kleais

Mechs, be they lumbering giant war machines like in MechWarrior or agile and nimble like in Titanfall, are merely bipedal forms of the traditional tank unit.  They are human-like in shape because people form relationships through similarity, and sharing a human form imbues the characteristics of the body and what it can do.


If anything, autonomous flying drones that take the human element out, give the "Driver" wide mobility options, and can carry deadly weapons arrays, would sound like the most ideal platform for new-age war machines.  Mechs are just the symbiosis of man and machine; which is why we're as drawn to them as we are.

Syraene
Syraene

Thank you for what you said at the end. I was personally affected by the deer footage, as I'm a vegetarian and love animals a lot. I still love your videos though, Cam, and will continue to watch and enjoy them, so thanks again for the apology.

MotokoHutt
MotokoHutt

personally I think the whole Mech fantasy is more or less primarily flawed, the Idea of a Mech is that its like a walking fortress with enough destructive power to destroy a city state, now if we go way back in time pretty much the same idea but slightly different was fought about before Tank's existed, what we learn by making tanks is that something that is big & packs allot of fire-power isn't always what's tactically best.


contrary to popular belief there are not that many Tank's used in modern combat situation, in modern war zones tanks are more used for the purpose of holding area's that have already been captured or otherwise occupied by a military force.


lets put something into perspective for people, a Tank wile having plenty of armour, plenty of fire-power & being powered by a large engine could easily be taken down by 1 or more infantry units, the Idea being that all the soldier has to do is fire a powerful enough weapon at its flank wile its unable to see you, OR alternatively just mark it & have it taken out swiftly & safely by an un-manned attack drone.


the same idea applies to if we made Mech's, such a large machine provides allot of destructive power but also comes with an equally large weakness, a person manning something like this could not & would not be able to see around themselves & accurately process the information being given to them at one time, this means that in reality all 1 soldier needs to do is sneak behind this "said Mech" which should be relatively easy being so small compare to the Mech you are able to get places the Mech cant, once you have the vantage point you need, simply use an armour piercing high power weapon to shoot a vulnerable key point on the Mech, Shoot a big enough Rocket at it OR simply mark it and let a flying much faster & much more deadly robot kill it off.

HuSSaR83
HuSSaR83

Its obvious we gonna see "Terminators" faster than Titans. You need to make a working prototype human sized robot first before making it huge like Titan because that would be a waste of resources making a big robot without knowing it will work properly.

jellystanchina
jellystanchina

Thank you for the comment about the deer.  I wasn't offended by the footage, I just appreciate your display of compassion for those that were.

The-Neon-Seal
The-Neon-Seal

We all know that future battlefields belong to cold, logical Automatons! Also, what is that track you play near the end of every episode? (It sounds like synth xylophones and is really quite beautiful.)

crazeon
crazeon

Those exoskeleton things remind me of that scene from Iron Man 2, where there was footage of a guy in an armor suit and it malfunctioned and twisted in half with him inside it. Ouch.

crazeon
crazeon

In the context of the gameplay the titans only have horizontal mobility; in this case they would be inferior to things with wheels that would be much less complex and more efficient. If the titans had some vertical mobility, like they could jump, hover, climb, etc. (maybe they can but just not displayed in the context of the gameplay), then they would truly be badass.

dr_jashugan
dr_jashugan

I don't know why Cam is apologizing for a footage of shooting a deer, when there are games that spill blood by the galons. 8-\

solidsolaire
solidsolaire

Even though it's no titan, the T.A.L.O.S is very reminiscent of the nano suit from Crysis. Goes to show that game developers are a smart bunch. 


Also, I need to ask this: What is the song called beginning at 02:10? I have been looking around for it for a while now. Thanks!

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

Great show Cam.


A big robot is good, but an easy target for RPGs and helecopter gunships.


For the exoskeleton that allows a human to carry an exobitant amount of weight in the battlefield, I wonder what would happen if the power failed while a load is being carried?  Would the hydraulics lock the load in place? Would the person possibly tip over (if off-balanced)?   And possible be crushed.  I'm sure the engineer will develop backup systems and safety backup just in case (just like the C 5 aircraft I used to work on).

GameYakuza
GameYakuza

the major flaw of a mech, that is never mentioned in fiction, is the scale effect: jump around? no problem. get in a building sized robot and do the exact same motion? the acceleration will be so strong, it will snap your neck and send your brain dripping through your nose.

vadagar1
vadagar1

i love cam :D...


anyways I think a real titan would be vastly superior to a tank if it can actually move fast.... 


why??


cause speed is the heart of battle and a mobile super soldier is 10k better than a slow moving easy to pick off target 


also the pilot does not even have to be INSIDE the damn thing, he can pilot it remotely


not to mention it can be modded to fit every battle situation possible 


also I love that they finally made the Aliens utility carry robot :P

NanuNanu14
NanuNanu14

Another reason that a Titan mech would be impractical is something called the Square-Cube Law.


Take a man and double his height. You now have 4x the power trying to move 8x the mass.


TL;DR: Titans are too darn big to move under their own power.

seany_lad
seany_lad

Aren't most of these developments really going to boil down to whether we will even be able to power such things? I doubt we will even have the electrical power to make one of these things work considering the way energy reserves are going? I would hate to pilot one of those with a nuclear reactor stuck to my back. one shot BOOM!! I know a little about fusion energy and stuff like that but it's far way off.

DarckArchon
DarckArchon

All want Titanfall mechs and im just sitting here waiting for the "Mech Warrior" mechs. 

BaDMantra
BaDMantra

Awesome as always!  Lol @ your hair! xD  I could share a pic o mine form the 90's but i'm afraind might end up in a meme! XD

WolfGrey
WolfGrey

Actually in truth a bipedal mech has the chance to be far more maneuverable than any vehicle to date. The main reason would be the ability to move about both vertical and horizontal environs. It could literally climb mountains and move around terrain that would normally take hours if not days for other vehicles to get by.


Once they become capable of hitting 40 Mph while still being fairly armored with decent moving capabilities, you will start seeing them being militarized.


However this will be a good 40 years into the future. Maybe less , maybe more but still far off.


The powered suit will be the base of this. Once they master that they can start expanding the model to accommodate more weapons, perhaps more power. As they do this it will naturally get bigger and bigger. From there they will focus on better armor and trying to maintain full mobility. Naturally it will get more robotic as time goes on and the exo suit will start to look like the elementals we know from Mechwarrior. Then they will get bigger and bigger as they learn to keep all aspects as they become more ready for battle or having been used in battle more often.


As time goes on we will see more of what we know as mechs.


Thats my two cents anyway.

RenegadeGR
RenegadeGR

o look the japs already made sumting that looks like guntank

feleas
feleas

I remember learning about the Talos on Discovery Channel. awesome stuff haha

veryDERPY
veryDERPY

japan leading in gundam development? how unexpected

mick_holland
mick_holland

Gamers spend their days chainsawing people in half and blowing people away by the dozens but 1 deer gets shot and its time for tears.. how else you think you get all those burgers you eat. and before the smartass reply im obviously talking about venison burgers :P


krishnaV_
krishnaV_

Should have mentioned Stark Industries. They make.. Oh.. wait..

I hate reality. -_-

Jdzspace
Jdzspace

I really wish he would have just said, "yes, it was part of the video. large game gets shot every day, it's not that serious, grow a pair"


don't pander to those people, it's not unreasonable to allow that footage. they just need to toughen up a bit

Jdzspace
Jdzspace

wow, Gamespot really is putting it's time into keeping titanfall on people's minds this last couple of weeks. 


I understand it's the biggest Microsoft title for the year, but why so much hype?


is it really that important?

Dredcrumb9
Dredcrumb9

@aegis_kleais  autonomous flying drones are much more dangerous, drones have already killed countless innocent people(women and children)so far. Any nut could just hack into them and use them on the US, Russia, or China and start WW3, or they could just malfunction from a technical hiccup and start killing people. I'd trust humans over machines.

crazeon
crazeon

@dr_jashugan Some people get offended or disturbed by things that some of us might be desensitized to. I love animals and I'm no fan of hunting, but the footage didn't bother me because I understood it in the context that was provided.

GameYakuza
GameYakuza

@NanuNanu14 it's the future so they could have crazy powerful batteries/motors. plus, mechs are often portrayed with ape like limbs, stronger than a human's.

superior91
superior91

@mick_holland  Kinda right there mick, although I do have to say, if they showed a clip in which they shot a deer, I could see people finding it offensive, because of the fact that you are killing a deer to show your weapon works, rather than hunting him and using him. BUt all they did was target a deer, not shoot it, I don't really see how it is offensive. They could just aswell have some bloke stand there, or a moving robot or anything else, I guess the deer was just handy:)

02pheland
02pheland

@Jdzspace  because all the metrics show them that any titanfall content they put out gets a massive amount of hits and web traffic, so then the highers ups send word down to the editors and content creators that they have to do more on titanfall, its what happens everytime. 

There is also the fact that maybe the people just really like the game themselves and its their job to give you their opinion so they are sharing how excited they are about it.

krishnaV_
krishnaV_

@Jdzspace  Well, the Titans do make a good subject for this show. And it makes sense to talk about it this week than any other.

So why not?

Kisalon
Kisalon

@crazeon those people have no place on the internet then :) Kinda like people crying over bad language on the internet.. :)

NanuNanu14
NanuNanu14

@GameYakuza @NanuNanu14So, the laws of physics and materials sciences go on vacation because it's the future? Steel is always going to weigh X per cubic cm, even in titanfall

Kisalon
Kisalon

@GameYakuza Technicly we have the technology for it now... a minature nuclear reactor battery should do it for the titan... but ofc it would still need to be build :) A good example of this would be the movie Pacific Rim.

Mevrick
Mevrick

@superior91 @mick_holland  Have you watched the previous episode mate? You see quite a few deer actually getting shot, and for the exact reason you said - they were shot just to promote the weapon, not for food.

Jdzspace
Jdzspace

@krishnaV_ @Jdzspace  - i don't have anything in particular against it. 


just seems odd, i've never seen this level of coverage for a single game on gamespot before. just strikes me as odd. 


not like there is much else going on....unless you count the japanese PS4 launch. 


but that is only important to a small group.....I don't know. no skin off my nose i guess

Jdzspace
Jdzspace

@noah364 @Jdzspace @krishnaV_  - I guess, like i said. i don't have anthing against it. i'm only saying something because i am starting to feel overexposed. 


and since i've been more or less ignoring it for the most part, because I am neither a PC, 360 or microsoft gamer, it literally doesn't effect me at all. 


but it seems to be everywhere, so i commented since i've never seen this kind of coverage for a game on here. not even when the next gen systems launched

noah364
noah364

@Jdzspace @krishnaV_  Well, not much is really coming out right now. The Titanfall beta is up, which is probably the biggest "release" of the past two or so weeks. I mean, really, the only other major titles newly out right now are DK: Tropical Freeze and EDF 2025. And seeing as one is releasing on a failing console, and the other's depth stops at "cheesy, pointless fun," Titanfall seems like the natural option to attract readers.