Reality Check - Knocking People Out?

Thief is out this week, so Cam's here to investigate the most prevalent trope in stealth games: knocking out fools. But can you really non-lethally KO bad guys for hours at a time?

Discussion

158 comments
Wensea10
Wensea10

I believe this is true because it comes from having special physical actions.

Zloth2
Zloth2

Sure you can knock them out for hours with the right drug!  FEMA in the USA is developing it now in preparation for Deus Ex. ;)

nyran125tk
nyran125tk

Dont encourage the "Knockout Game"

DemonRax
DemonRax

That's why I play Thief with "no knock-outs" mode on :)

Lord_Sesshy
Lord_Sesshy

Pronounced O-L-E-D not OLED (as a word).

raikiry
raikiry

ow well... back to the sword i go :))

GunEye
GunEye

Love your show Cam, and great sense of humor.

Now I have everything I need to go on a brain-damage non-killing spree!

nalancheel
nalancheel

Hey Cam, where are you doing your research for "psychological" episodes? You have favourite sites of some sort? Surely you can't just remember all those things :D

XCyberForceX
XCyberForceX

He forgot to talk about putting someone in a headlock thereby cutting off all blood to the brain, causing the person to black out?  I don't don't believe this causes trauma to the brain.  And most likely the person will regain consciousness within minutes.

Jskosoff
Jskosoff

I have always wondered about this. I'm glad you did an episode on it. It's cool to compare the common features of games with real life. But now I feel slightly bad for causing so much brain damage :P       Thanks Cam

Mudpooch
Mudpooch

Don't the enemies in Metal Gear Solid regain conciousness after a minute or so?

Shadow_Dragon88
Shadow_Dragon88

This video won't deter me from playing any game.  I'm going to still play Batman and brutally and savagely knock people the eff out.  'Cause that's how Batman does things, right?

Fursnake
Fursnake

If I drop down on a guy from 10 feet and then club him in the back of the head good and hard with my blackjack, he better be out for hours!

Subterfuge71
Subterfuge71

Was this just a sneaky way of educating the morons who can't differentiate between video games and real life? I suspect it is. I'm no brain surgeon, but things like this really shouldn't need to be explained.

Keeper_Artemus
Keeper_Artemus

Nice.  You should do an episode on whether or not you can heal horrific gunshot wounds by crouching behind cover for five seconds.  I've always wanted to know...

Cxera
Cxera

This video just put my mind at ease for deciding whether to let npcs live or die. 


---DIE - DIE - DIEEEE

franky111
franky111

The "knockout game" is extremely dangerous. It can cause severe cranial nerve damage leading to debilitation, brain bleeding, or worse. Permanent brain damage and death isn't funny. I plan on getting my CHL, and if some idiot tries to play knockout game with me or my loved ones if they're with me at the time, I won't hesitate to shoot them.

a3th1us
a3th1us

and that's why we ghost in Splinter Cell and Dishonored. by the way there is a way to knock someone out without causing brain damage by chokeholding them. but, instead of stopping the oxygen supply to the brain, you use a technique to stop the blood flow. 


enemy is not knocked out for a long time though

michaelusso
michaelusso

great episode as always. I guess you might as well kill everyone in those games :p

jesot
jesot

Willful Braindamage Man FTW!


WBDM!

GameYakuza
GameYakuza

I wonder how many people died because of this trope, with criminals thinking they can just whack someone on the head as in the movies.


also fun fact, an overdose of tranquilizers can result in the opposite effect and leave the victim even more pissed off.

Vraach
Vraach

If you really want to be scientifically correct, in mgs you can't knock out someone for hours only seconds, minute at max. Even the tranquilizer gun effect lasts only for a few minutes.

psuedospike
psuedospike

Sooo, every guard I knocked out in Teef now has severe brain damage........COOL!


PS - Wut about Etorphine Hydrochloride, the drug Dexter uses to subdue his victims?

tommiveceti
tommiveceti

i actually learned from this show, for real.

Bhemont
Bhemont

The game was bad enough, now let's kick it while it is down. 

lostn
lostn

This happens all the time in movies. Just a knock to the back of the head will do it.

MacBoomStick
MacBoomStick

What about choking a guy out or using some sleeper hold? You know? Like in the Dishonored clip you showed?

nalancheel
nalancheel

Dammit Cam! Now I feel bad about my Dishonored gameplay! Gotta play this game again without even touching anybody...

LoG-Sacrament
LoG-Sacrament

Guards gotta unionize like the NFL. Lawyer up and get some mouth guards and better helmets while serial head smashers are on the prowl.

Psycold
Psycold

I'm sure some devs use it as a way to avoid a more aggressive rating in case they want it to be T for Teens or something. It has always seems kind of stupid to me, especially because some games allow you to drag unconscious bodies around, toss them off buildings, etc. and they are still considered unconscious rather than dead. 

PCsama
PCsama

thanks alot Cam for this show..I am currently playing Thief right now i completed all my stages yet with ghost rank ..the ideah of knockout for sleeping for a thief i don't like ..you are playing as a thief and you want no one knows that you are here and not later in a soon time , and there is no "knockout for HOURS" as you said ..for the violent games i will choose knocking-out instead of eliminate

Uangry
Uangry

Movies have done this for decades. I'm sure a lot of people actually think its that simple and is harmless to the victim :/

StHapns247
StHapns247

I think these guards had brain damage before Garrett even showed up.

Veetor0_0
Veetor0_0

@XCyberForceX Do you know what the choking game is. It is the same. It is very dangerous. "thereby cutting off all blood to the brain".

Schmeag
Schmeag

@a3th1us  By stopping the blood flow, you are stopping the oxygen supply.

tomelus
tomelus

@MacBoomStick The reason why you get knocked out is that you're cutting off oxygen from the brain.  Once you let go, the oxygen starts flowing again and you wake up relatively quickly.

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@MacBoomStick i took BJJ and our instructor was very specific about how to choke people out if you do it right they should go out in 10-20 sec and get back up in a min or 2 if you do it wrong ( crush their wind pipe) it takes a little longer and they don't get back up at all

ringringabel
ringringabel

@MacBoomStick  when i was younger, my friends and I used to knock each other out w/ sleeper holds for fun, and the max we would be out was 60 seconds

drwhoiscool
drwhoiscool

@suppaphly42 @Battle_PantsYour actually going to say that on a video game page about video games, where 99.99999% of everything is made up?  The name you posted with isn't even real dude...