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GameSpot's Jonathan Toyad commits mass orcish genocide and parties up with random strangers in Cryptic Studio and Perfect World's mass multiplayer action-heavy take on the Dungeons & Dragons franchise.

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folquet
folquet

I found combat to be way too easy. They have to take it up a notch.

wheelercub
wheelercub

It's actually a pretty great game and the low-rez video doesn't do much to help make the combat look exciting. After 16 beta hours, it's feels nothing like WOW and thank god for that! I would say that it's VERY close to playing an MMO version of Dragon Age II and uses a bastardized version of D&D rules like the Dragon Age series does.

With the way they incorporated the dreaded "holy trinity", I was able to successfully run several hard group-only dungeons without any tanks at all. Instead my Thief held the front line vanishing and stabbing away as two Wizards and two Clerics nuked from afar. When things got tough, we just drank a health potion which healed ALOT and were on quick cooldown. 

The pre-made adventures and dungeons were super fun to play and included traps, discovering secret passages, solving minor puzzles, and finding hidden loot alcoves. While you could easily immerse yourself in the story, you also could quickly fly through them quickly if that's not your thing. But the best part is that players can make their own dungeons or bring their entire old school campaign to life for anyone to play, rate, and subscribe to future releases of. I think that's a whole hell of a lot for a free to download and free to play MMO.

I thought the controls were very clunky for a PC game because you're always in the dreaded mouse-look mode. I had to change the default attacks from LMB & RMB to #1 & 2 on my keyboard because I could feel the RSI developing. Also the Q, E, R keys got remapped to 3, 4, 5, and the two dailies got switched F1 & F2 like Guild Wars 2 controls, and speaking of which, the F key is the default activate/pickup/everything key. Once I was fully remapped, I was able to enjoy the game and quickly get my attacks off without any problems and I didn't mind the mouse-look control so much. BTW, this simple game system would work amazingly well on the XBox and PS3 systems; which would be very smart of them if that's in their plan.

As for GameSpot's Jonathan Toyad and my fellow CBSi Employee, the word "Orientated" isn't actually a word in the English language. What you mean to say is "Oriented".  =)

RoadStar1602
RoadStar1602

Another WoW clone. A definite "no thanks." Too bad. The Neverwinter IP was awesome.

Vrtni_Patuljak
Vrtni_Patuljak

NW doesn't use any of the 4E rules, it just has a nice D&D sticker on the box...shame, could have been a great game

niqpere
niqpere

Just like other perfect world games the combat is clunky looking and dated . Thought the idea was good but this just looks boring and its f2p so perfect world will make it p2w like all there games . Good try but I will pass .

SempiternalTrut
SempiternalTrut

wait for review before even thinking of purchase.  "very action oriented" sounds like something nice to say where there is nothing else.  also, engrish needs a little work, talk slower.

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

No story, no character depth, just mindless hack n' slash. Just what we need from a D&D game. Right ?

floydshayvious
floydshayvious

Still waiting on a REAL successor for the Baldurs Gate D.A. games (this doesn't seem anything like those games in any way IMO) or, even more, a Forgotten Realms ARPG or RPG that does the universe proper like Forgotten Realms actually deserves.

Hobson82
Hobson82

This just, wow..

I'm sorry but you are completely skipping some topics that may be of interest while going in depth about others that are just standard features in games these days.

"pretty cool loot distributing system etc..", goes on to explain a completely standard need/greed system

"..probably have to go and check out the party system.." really?

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Xenuri
Xenuri

@7:35 --- Stonewatch Keep anyboay?

Bogzeh
Bogzeh

This is on low graphics for some stupid reason. Search for this game on totalhalibut's youtube channel for a real first look at this game, it's not as bad as it looks here.

Atheosis
Atheosis

I remember when the D&D license was actually associated with the pinnacle of computer RPGs.  Now when you see D&D on a game you know for a fact that it is going to be awful.  I mean this shit is disgraceful...

zambenz
zambenz

I don't know what's worse, this game or the annoying narrator with that horrible accent.  (Practice speaking if you want people to watch an hour long video).

Conan1985
Conan1985

What were they thinking? Really! I can't believe i am going to say this but that looks absolutely awful! I am a huge Neverwinter Nights fan, the original game is in a class of its own when it comes to RPG games. It had great and simple modding and the system was loads of fun, there were so many options! Just look at the difference when you cast spells in NWN to NWN2.

This game is made off the NWN2 engine which is a mistake to begin with. Forgotten Realms make money from a few things the biggest are PLOT, LORE, and CHOICE!.

godsend1989
godsend1989

Why you guys act so surprised ? you played this recycled MMO's since forever, look at your favorite mmo whatever that is, is the same boring repetitive game, as long as you keep playing them they will still make them this way.

UnclePuddle
UnclePuddle

had they made a sequel to NWN2, with the same game system (ergo, D&D 3.5) and the possibility to create your own dedicated RP server, I would buy the game at once. But since they decided to create a seemingly mediocre game that uses an even more mediocre system and campaign setting, well, they won't see my money.

KodiakCS
KodiakCS

I am very unimpressed by what I see. Unfollowing this game now :(

juliano001
juliano001

Trying to gold the duck. This game sucks bad. Outaded graphics, lame combat system and biased episode. SINGLE player rules for RPG.

Cirkelinespark
Cirkelinespark

So boring that I had to put music on to last through the video...

gaubanrei
gaubanrei

looks like

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

to bad as thats not dnd or neverwinter to me. if they have it all free might give it a go but i'm bettering you'll have to pay at some point . :(

Nexzy
Nexzy

Man! I just want Baldur's Gate 3!

mixalisss13
mixalisss13

fuck MMO .forg.realms are for an epic single player campain.ITS ALL ABOUT THE PLOT

Tentaculat
Tentaculat

I didn't understand much of the video to be honest :/

Does this game have open areas where you explore/quest/grind or is it all dungeons? I may play it for the D&D lore but honestly I don't see why I'd play this over say, Tera. It looks very clunky.

vishisluv7
vishisluv7

This video is presented as if it the first MMO the viewer has heard of.

The game looks bad, really really bad. Like, "I was sick of this game back in 2007 or so" bad.

made_u_look
made_u_look

If you've played a MMO you've played them all. Looks pretty generic. Nothing wrong with that I guess, if your more interested in playing the Forgotten Realms Universe.

radrussian2
radrussian2

i see alot of talk about how because this is a f2p title so we shouldn't bitch. yeah we really should. because there are too many of these titles out and its setting the bar for the rest of the industry. they could have made a good game if they just picked up their balls and tried something new ffs. how are we ever gonna take down the giants like EA and activision that get the masses hooked on games that are the same(with minor differences) every fucking year. and you know why? because if games were innovative and hard to beat out the bar would be set too high and the industry wouldnt be able to shit these fucking things out year after year. games are supposed to be an art, a story, not a fucking product. 

FoeCrusher
FoeCrusher

I am always unimpressed when a series of large and unimpressive numbers dominate the screen as you are in combat. It doesnt make any difference if you do 1 vs 100 vs 1000 vs 10000 damage etc. It is all arbitrary and totally meaningless. 

The combat looks like an uninteresting grind and similar in style to SWTOR.

The forge idea where you can make your own dungeons seems interesting. Since that would allow for all sorts of questing content. 

The fact that it does not seem to be a pay to win and is really F2P makes it worth trying out perhaps.

Overall since the AI seems about as responsive as a bag of rocks I am not hopeful.

radrussian2
radrussian2

look at that, government fucken up more shit. 

Seraphim212
Seraphim212

@Vrtni_Patuljak Perfect World Entertainment is known to defraud its consumers, they have stated clearly to its customers "WE ARE ALLOWED TO DEFRAUD YOU BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN IN OUR TERMS OF SERVICE".  That was their reply to one customer who had a complaint.  Followed by tell him to go slit his wrists and kill himself.  That is Perfect World Entertainment, the publisher of Neverwinter.

Jshaw71
Jshaw71

@Total_mischief Right now it seems they are focusing on focusing gameplay at the moment, hopefully there will be story and character depth included, after it's done with it's beta, don;t forget, this is  a beta, but we'll have to wait and see...

SteveTwo
SteveTwo

@Hobson82 I felt the same thing. It's definitely not good to constantly compare a new MMO to something like WoW. But when you'll look at a LFD window (12:55) which is almost an exact copy as well as detailed explanations of now standard features like Need/Greed, not making any mention of other MMOs seems atrange. My guess is that many of these Now Playing segments are actually paid for advertisements, and in this case Cryptic asked to explain simple features for new players and not draw comparisions to other MMOs.

Poodlejumper
Poodlejumper

@Atheosis TSR>WoTC>>>>>>>Hasbro.


Granted BG1 and 2 happened under WoTC but it was still pre 3rd edition.

MegamanX2011
MegamanX2011

@zambenz  

I like that guy but he speaks like hes got a terrible cold or a bee stung his tongue and it is very hard to understand.

midnight_trashh
midnight_trashh

@godsend1989 I don't think they are surprised I think it's that people like me and many others are just tired of the same Generic rehash of anything related to World of Warcraft. I understand WoW was copied from EQ1 and I understand that games copy off of one another, but I think everyone is tired of playing the same game over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...... again.... this shit has been going on for 10 years, you'd think that developers could have a little more creativity than this. Hell, even I could come up with something that looks completly differnt then previous MMO's.. it's not hard. Most people like me who want to play wow they will play wow, not some rehash of wow. Not everyone does but most do. I don't see why they think by copying something else they will make boatloads of money, just look at SWTOR thats a perfect example, of developers who are completly unimaginative, or creative.

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

@UnclePuddle Oh yes, I'm still waiting for that. Or a Pathfinder game (why has this not happened yet ?). The NwN (and 2) MP has kept me hooked on the game for nearly a decade, even if the game itself (the 2nd one) is kinda crappy in it's game mechanics. Seriously, I really wonder what Hasbro are thinking. It's like mediocrity is their new standard.

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

@juliano001 Disagree on the graphics, it has some pretty decent VFX and looks pretty solid for an MMO (just for an MMO though). But otherwise, yes, that game looks like it's gonna flop like any other Cryptic MMORPG. First because it takes the D&D universe and turns it into a mindless hack n' slash, generic MMO, 2nd because Cryptic makes subpar MMORPGS, and that's coming from a guy that thinks most MMOs are bad.

Poodlejumper
Poodlejumper

@juliano001 The closest thing we get to good single player RPGs though these days are "action RPGs" (AKA an action game with a skill tree and dialog options.)


AfterFX13
AfterFX13

@gaubanrei *******ALERT*****                   ******ALERT*****

PERFECT WORLD ENTERTAINMENT is known for defrauding consumers and using sponsored players within their products.  Please see "NEVERWINTER ALERT" for additional details and evidence.  ALSO NOTE: The company currently carries a BBB rating of an (F).  Which doesnt just mean you should be concerned when playing at Perfect World, but it literally means DANGER!!  BUYER BEWARE!!!  ALSO NOTE:  Cryptic was only recently purchased by Perfect World, still the fact they are now owned by PWE should be of great concern to customers.

bathamael
bathamael

@Tentaculat It's not open world and most of the content are pretty much instanced. That being said it supports a some kind of editor so you can design your own adventures and stuff. May worth a look..

folquet
folquet

@Jshaw71 I think much if not most of the RPing aspect will come from community-developed campaigns using The Foundry. In this regard, I hope to see some of the wonders the community did with Bioware's Aurora! I think the potential is there (I found the highest-rated campaigns I played in the third beta test to be very promising, but most were rated rather lowly). We'll see...

 

UnclePuddle
UnclePuddle

@Total_mischief @UnclePuddle more than mediocrity, I'd say it's the will (as well as the fixation) of be similar to world of warcraft. D&D 4.0 edition is basically a toned-down, forgotten realms-set world of warcraft, probably done so to appease an ever increasing crowd of horny teenagers that drool at the first sight of a scantily-clad female of undetermined race and at the thought of mercilessly slaughtering hordes of hapless, ad-hoc created mobs, probably in the attempt to compensate for a lack of attribute length, or just simply to vent the frustration of having been ditched by their girlfriend at the night of the school's dance.

NWN1 and 2 (althouth the two only to a lesser extent) have been true milestones of the online role-playing game experience. For the very reason that they weren't "mass multiplayer rpgs", people could play a true session of D&D on the pc, disregarding concerns of time and distance from player A to player B. Not to mention all the servers created with a custom setting that only improved the overall game's value and replayability.

Neverwinter, instead, looks like crap. Besides from using 4th edition mechanics (that, coincidentally, are pure crap as well), it looks like ANOTHER run-of-the-mill-byproduct-of-WoW mmorpg. It may be f2p (thanks for the update Dexyu, I mean it), but that will not change the fact that I will have to be totally insane, afflicted by a severe form of dementia, before being able to even entertain the notion of playing this...thing.

I totally agree in saying that a NWN3 using pathfinder would be swell. Or even the good ole 3.5 edition. Everything, as long as the original formula is mantained.


Jshaw71
Jshaw71

@folquet That's a problem using the community to do the story, or set the scene, But sense I have seen some gameplay from the open beta, I guess that's not the case though which is good, i think the story deals with t'kissis and her servants, but that was only what I could see in an opening cutscene...

blitzinD
blitzinD

@UnclePuddle Yep totally agree with you. I have tried the beta of this and I can't even call it D&D. It is a generic MMO with a very thin D&D veneer, that is all.