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moommoom
moommoom

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SPBoss
SPBoss

@Tuppe666 i agree 100% even the 4000 series should be fine, i can run crysis maxed out but noo my gta iv runs like crap, i hate badly optimized/ported games :(

Tuppe666
Tuppe666

@spliff_man I personally go for the cheapest one of equivalent cards, would it be NV or ATi. You really think that this kind of competition is a good thing? That you need to have two (~300€) GPUs from both manufacturer to play all the games, or have only one and play 50% of the games? I would prefer monopoly rather than that. ATi has Havok physics engine, but it is not restricted to use with NV card. They probably don't have that much resources as NV to trying to inconvenience playing. NV shouldn't use their resources to eliminate players' choice to use different manufacturer cards on certain games. But no point arguing this until Mafia 2 is out and tested with Ati cards, it could run OK with PhysX on HD5000's.

SPBoss
SPBoss

@sirk1264 wouldn't a gtx 260 be overkill just for physics? :P im sure a 8600gt would do the job fine and stress your psu less

SPBoss
SPBoss

@Tuppe666 Nvidia cards may cost more but then it is down to the buyer to chose what company to go for, competetion is a good thing it brings down prices and makes the companies work harder to bring out more advance tech. ad_rock is right, i used to have a 9800 and it lasted me 3 solid years still maxing out games, I have started to think nvidia care more about their gamers due to physx support and the likes, if ATI cared wouldn't they of come up with something similar and got a few contracts with gaming developers in order to secure themselves more sales?

sirk1264
sirk1264

Looks like I might have a reason to use my spare GTX 260 to calculate physx. To me Physx hasn't impressed me much at all to warrant putting that GPU in my second PCI express slot but this looks impressive.

ad_rock
ad_rock

@Tuppe666, 9800s are hardly "useless", I've played Dragon Age, ME2, & BFBC2 with a 9800. DAO & ME2 with maxed out settings. Those are all 2010 releases - now I'm looking to upgrade. The price gap is only for the newest cards and if your buying the latest card out money obviously isn't much of an issue.

Tuppe666
Tuppe666

@ad_rock NV cards are 100$ more expensive compared to competiting ATi card, so I prefer the cheaper and more player friendly choice. Why people should get a NV card just because they are dominating and neglecting players with the PhysX. Recommended doesn't mean it is suitable, 9800 should be useless for new games(If they aren't 2006 console ports). I own HD4870 myself, there is no way in my country that one couldn't _afford_ "buying a GPU"... I use my money on other things. But we'll see, I can't actually see the future and say "this will not work on ATi cards". If it doesn't, I'll pass this game, not so huge deal.

ad_rock
ad_rock

@Tuppe666 Get over it, you say you spend your money wisely by not buying Nvidia then whine because they have technology ATI doesn't. The recommended sys req is a 1gb 9800 which is like 100 bucks, you can't afford that?

aTRUEplaya
aTRUEplaya

specificly for pc? i thought 2k was using the same physics engine for all systems?

Manix_Korax
Manix_Korax

Nvidia you have impressed me again!! Now when can I get my hands on this game?

Tuppe666
Tuppe666

@assasin_462 I'm not talking about that, I don't have nvidia card(I use my money wisely), so I don't have option to run PhysX on my ATi card, I have only option run it on my E8400 C2D CPU, which isn't fast. But I can pretty much guarantee that with reasonable priced CPUs, ATi users cannot use PhysX in this game. But ultimately we will see when this comes out, but Mirror's Edge proved that my E8400 isn't enough for PhysX. That is why NV is horrible company, they don't care about the players and will not give choice until you give money to them. That should be illegal, I really hope Mafia 2 will not be ruined for me by PhysX+ATi performance.

salmannabi
salmannabi

At 00:41 and 00:52 the cars blew up but the men stayed on their feet (As they should be blown away as well by standing near the blown vehicle). Is this allowed in physx OR is this a bug OR this is for heroes only OR am i totally missing something. Can't wait for the game though because of the first one was a big hit.

BoneSawSAS
BoneSawSAS

PhysX eh? i hope i will run ok on ATi

assasin_462
assasin_462

@tuppe666 with the latest beta nvidia drivers you have the option to run physx on either the cpu or the graphics card, i have an overclocked gtx 275 however my processor is a phenom ii 550 at 3.8ghz, i tested with a few games and my system runs smoother with the graphics card processing physics, its good to be able to choose depending on the users system

Frankvincent
Frankvincent

Bah, gonna have to buy it on PC, just can't risk not playing Mafia 2 to it's fullest. The first one was so good, bought it on sale at wal mart, when it first became cheap... beat the game totally loved it... loved it so much, when i heard they were bringing it the consoles, i had to tell all my friends to rent this game... of course the console game sucked and i looked really stupid... so i'll buy it on PC again, just to be safe :)

Hm1911
Hm1911

well done. the pc version will be the best

killing_spree20
killing_spree20

@ spag007 Because Euphoria is used for character animation, not things like glass breaking realistically, or clothes moving in the wind. The glass breaking and falling in shards to the floor, chunks of walls and wood breaking dynamically, these are not things you see in RDR or GTA IV.

spag007
spag007

Meh. Not impressive. I don't get why they don't use the Euphoria engine if they want good physics so bad. Euphoria is the most realistic engine out there, it blew my mind with GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption.

arcsina
arcsina

I remembered old days when i was playing the first version its cool like the first one

Ivan6285
Ivan6285

Wow that's freaking awesome :D

terrance_dames
terrance_dames

Man, I just got feelings i never felt before lmao

MariusGta
MariusGta

finally a game that'll put my 2 gtx260 to work for sure :)).....go nVIDIA _!_ ATI

Prisoner1943
Prisoner1943

OMG!! this game's gonna take away the emotional damage GODFATHER II caused me!!!:D

sandspectre
sandspectre

Cool trailer, while I'm sure that this game can be enjoyed without the Physx on, but this little plus to the PC version is nice indeed. *Breaks the piggy bank for buying a new GPU*

Tamz_msc
Tamz_msc

Amazing video!though it lags a little when the glass is shattering.I wish they allow these effects to be enabled on ATi cards as well.Nonetheless, its good to see the developers add something extra for the PC version.

ruZZo
ruZZo

The game looks beautiful. The scenery destruction it's the most impressive feature. Car explosion looks "believable". The air pressure acting on the bodies it's not perfect but I've seen worst. If the game performs as expected it could be g.o.d.y.

basangicu
basangicu

why do ragdolls slide like they are on ice?

familialewis
familialewis

I think that KZ2 has something close to this. There is a lot of debris and destruction in that game.

Shootn
Shootn

I wish this was coming out mid June or early July. It also seemed like their computer lagged down when the cars started exploding. It was either the computer or what they used to record the game had slown it down. But either way can't wait.

jokethis21
jokethis21

Looks decent, but for a video showing off graphics, its not great.

joey11223
joey11223

@Tuppe666 That's what I mean though mate, I played through the whole of metro 2033 twice, everything on high and physX on, not once did I get slow down. Though you're right, I suppose metro 2033 doesn't use all that much advanced stuff, no glass/debris effects to the level in this mafia 2 trailer. Guess we'll see. Maybe I'll have to buy a nvidia card to be the physX card, or has nvidia been sneaky and if it senses one card is an ATI it disables this? I was thinking of upgrading cards late this year, but thing is ATI is pretty good for bang for buck, beats nvidia usually.

Hoxzi
Hoxzi

Looks neat. I hope they will sort out the first game's issues in the sequel.

Sa3llar84
Sa3llar84

i got a looooovee oooo i got a loooooove....

fartsue
fartsue

Man! no one is going to be safe behind wooded stuff and especially cars. I love how the guy's trenchcoat was moving around. Looks great!

Perk456
Perk456

I like the guy in the black robe and the black fedora

avi5997
avi5997

Waiting for the game to be out :D

Serentor
Serentor

amazing detail on the physics. but you can still tell its typical video game lol, but i cant wait for the day where us gamers really wont be able to judge between real life and ingame grafix + physics XD you all remember when we were used to n64 grafix and then ps2 and stuff rolled around, we were all like, OMFG GRAFIX

Wolf-5
Wolf-5

@TheProphetD - I doubt it, nVidia now owns PhysX. Well I do have to say... looks very impressive!! The physics looks amazing... just hope the rest of the game is good. It sure looks like it!

zacw
zacw

looks just like GTA 4 but in the old days which is good cuz i love mafia

Hellspawn_1581
Hellspawn_1581

this and batman Arkham Asylum really gave the game a nice looking physics with physx IMO

Tuppe666
Tuppe666

@joey11223 it is plainly 100% on CPU no exceptions, I did test with FluidMark, and it was actually using only one core. That should depend of the game does it use multiple cores on PhysX. Not so sure about that though, I should do more testing with Mirror's Edge. The performance of the game with PhysX+ATi will depend on, a.) your CPU b.) the PhysX usage. Few cloths won't kill the fps, but for example multiple shattering glass is enough to drop it to unplayable level. BUT, this what I've been saying will totally depend how much Mafia 2 actually uses advanced PhysX, I've played few games with general PhysX without even noticing. But when shattering and splattering and particles start to occur, it might be time to switch the PhysX off. I've seen some footage of Mafia 2, and remember some debris when hit to objects, that will be highly PhysX stuff and bring your CPU down. Same PhysX debris was in Metro 2033, you might want to do the testing yourself in that game. P.S. HD4870 512mb here too, with C2D E8400 ;)

piotrjustyna
piotrjustyna

This is revolutionary. Take a look at the rear bumper - 1:10. I'm impressed.

joey11223
joey11223

Tuppe666 are you sure PhysX is really so demanding on a CPU(when your ATI Physx is on the CPU as you know)? I mean I had Metro 2033, Physx was enabled I believe, I have a Q6600 at 3ghz and an ATI HD4870 512mb. I played it all settings on high (not very high, was laggy at this monitors max res), looked beautiful and I believe things like cloth waving naturally when you touch it is physX stuff? Seemed fine to me. I'll have to buy Mafia 2 and see how it goes.