Lightning Returns - TGS 2013

Max and Peter return to tell you about Lighning Returns, including the return of Choco-boco-lina!

Discussion

66 comments
SemiMaster
SemiMaster

Once you got past chapter 10, FFXIII was nothing short of amazing.

But then again, every FF was linear as hell for the longest time.

tatinhawk
tatinhawk

I think it is an insult to the great game FFX is that they put Yuna's costume on Lightning... FFX was a great milestone for RPGs back in the day.. FFXIII  is a milestone on how low Square-enix has fallen... 

RPG_Fan_I_Am
RPG_Fan_I_Am

lol Max

"It reminded me of FF X-2, but in that game you had a much larger party to manage"

yes.. 3 people.... Very large party indeed.

WhoAmI-WhoAreYo
WhoAmI-WhoAreYo

I actually like the sound of the combat system. And i do like lightning, but they should have stopped at the first one and just make a new one already. one that isn't slow as hell with a story that's so bat-shit weird that you have to read through hours of explanations whiten the games menu system.

calvinsora
calvinsora

I actually really liked FFXIII, didn't find it as amazing as I found X and XII, but I found a lot to like. However, FFXIII-2 was a let-down. The ideas were pretty good, but underdeveloped. The story was also ridiculous, can't even remember what it boiled down to (something about time... and stuff). However, I look forward to how this will turn out.

IPwnNooBs666
IPwnNooBs666

Not for nothing but is anyone actually excited for this game to release? I would much rather a proper sequel to FF VII  than the apparent milkage that is the FF XIII trilogy.

ejohns_1004
ejohns_1004

Square makes me sad. Watching them flounder like this, is like finding out that your cousin is addicted to crack. Please Square, just get off the pipe, and be the company we love again.

DIGN
DIGN

Why Square, why? Is having cameos from our favorite past characters supposed to make us inclined to buy this crap game?

meharu
meharu

Chocolina's English voice acting is so annoying.

TalesOfGod
TalesOfGod

Can we can all agree that:

#1: Lightning is a horrible character.

#2: SE should stop supporting and releasing her games.

#3: SE should stop releasing costumes of good FF characters for this crappy character.

#4: SE should focus on giving us good FF games? 

GrayFlare
GrayFlare

It's not Final Fantasy XIII: Lightning Returns

It's Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

=P

DeadorRock
DeadorRock

Lightning using Yuna's outfit? How dare you, Square-Enix.

bubba_1988
bubba_1988

FF 15 took so long b/c they chose to put it on next gen, it will be on both systems (it was never gonna be on Sony's plat). FF 15 will be very disappointing in my opinion, it looks great for hack and slash game. It just wont be FF. But I'm sure there will be some people who will say "if FF16 is not good im totally done with FF for ever", while they line to buy FF16-2.5 the next week. Maybe each generation of FF has its own fans im just so disheartened that a game company can so blatantly change the mechanics of a series that made it great and gave them SO MANY loyal fans.

jeremiah06
jeremiah06

This will probably be the first final fantasy game I ever completely skip... Oh how far have you fallen my beloved jrpg?

johnnycaged
johnnycaged

Erza does it better.. sorry lightning

Mar_Sama
Mar_Sama

It's the same thing they made in FFX-2. Nothing new. N-O-T-H-I-N-G

AQWBlaZer91
AQWBlaZer91

Oh the horrors of this game are showing.

bunchanumbers
bunchanumbers

I might shell out for it when I see it in a 5$ bin a couple years from now just so I can say I got all 3 of them. I think XV is their last chance to sell me on the direction of FF. 

gamingnerd121
gamingnerd121

The game looks okay from a distance, but i'm not forking out the cash to play it.

EPaul
EPaul

The gameplay looked pretty good

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

I didn't know Maxwell was a Chocobolina fan?

Coco_pierrot
Coco_pierrot

At first when they said you change constum to change class ... it reminded me of Final Fantasy X-2 aka Charlie's Angels which was very very vey boring. Then they showed it in action and well, I like what I saw.

hiroichi
hiroichi

they should solve a crime

amir_g_m
amir_g_m

I'm looking forward for the XV title... the XIII is a little boring for me :S

ANUBISZER0
ANUBISZER0

How do you feel about Lightning wearing Cloud's costume then?

chipwithdip
chipwithdip

@calvinsora FFXIII: Something about challenging high odds and crystals.

FFXIII-2: Something about time.

This game: Something about time RUNNING OUT!

chipwithdip
chipwithdip

@TalesOfGod 1: False. She's a good character, but she's being force fed down people's throats by pushing FFXIII so hard. She was just the right candidate to organize the rag-tag crew in the original XIII in a believable manner, but at this point, they're trying too hard to make her "bad ass for bad ass's sake". It's not the character. It's how Squenix is using it.

2: I'd be fine with that.

3: She isn't crappy, but I dislike how they're giving this character clothes of other characters. Most characters in a game or show normally has one outfit, but that's so people can recognize and build familiarity with that character. Instead of Lighting just being Lightning, she's being treated like a cheap ticket to popularity. Also, why even have dlc costumes in a single-player, one-character-only RPG?

4: I'd be fine with that. Hoping Bravely Default comes out to good reviews with a solid New Game +.

Yomigaeru
Yomigaeru

@GrayFlare They should have called it "Lightning XIII: Final Fantasy Returns".

Oogazi
Oogazi

@bubba_1988 surprisingly SE puts out amazing hack and slashes. Think FF7: Crisis Core, which I think most resembles FF15's game-play (from what I've seen so far), with FF12's real-time battle engagements. And think of the kingdom hearts series.

For me, I don't think I'll be disappointed. In fact, very excited for the game.

Goobshoeriot
Goobshoeriot

@jeremiah06 OMG yes! I love the final fantasy series. got started at 7 kept it going from the playstation releases and went back to "do my homework" but these new ones are PAINFUL to play. Since 12, I hate playing the game i don't enjoy the story, combat, leveling system etc. but by now i practically HAVE to play these games. What I'm doing now is waiting like 6 months after it releases so i can get it for like $20... (cause no one is buying it)

chipwithdip
chipwithdip

@bunchanumbers I don't even want anything to do with FF XV. When I think JRPG, I think "strategy". I think "planning". I think "interesting move sets and abilities". I think "stat building". I think "amazing anime hair". Sadly, Squenix only got the hair right with the XIII series, and XV seems to abandon all those other things...besides the hair.

JustBeYourself
JustBeYourself

@amir_g_m 

I know, I wish they'd stop with the XIII crap.

Why do they feel the need to expand the least liked game in the series so fricking much?

calvinsora
calvinsora

@RPG_Fan_I_Am @calvinsora I could include a run-down of my personal taste for the FF games (haven't gone sufficiently through III, IV, V and XI), but considering that X and XII were and are my favorite FF games so far, and that XIII was the FF game that came "after XII" in the strictest sense, those were the games XIII had to live up to. I could go on to say that I also think that VI, IX and VII are moderately to much better than XIII, but the series is so large that it doesn't really warrant such far-reaching comparisons in my opinion - that's more an after-the-fact thing, since I played XIII before I played VII, IX and VI...

bubba_1988
bubba_1988

@Goobshoeriot I stopped after 12, the game play was revolutionary (for FF). I loved being able to walk into an enemy, getting rid of the world map. However, the story and characters were bad. The story had so much potential too!

chipwithdip
chipwithdip

@bubba_1988 @jeremiah06 FFXII was actually really good. On Gamerankings.com, it's got an overall score of 90%, one of the best in the series behind X and VII.

I mean, why do people dump XII with XIII? With all the freedom and customizing, did people just not give a damn about having a large-scale JRPG experience simply because it was only semi-turn-based?

calvinsora
calvinsora

@JustBeYourself @amir_g_m I'm pretty sure that title goes to XIV. Or X-2. Don't see much love at all for II, while there is more of a divide for XIII. XIII sold well and reviewed generally well by critics - ergo, they decided to go further with it.

chipwithdip
chipwithdip

@erMonezza @bubba_1988 @Goobshoeriot Lucky for me, I'm not blind enough to down-play an entire RPG for story's sake. The game play and customization, as well as the amount of content, was way more than enough to excuse the lack of a romance or some overly-involving story that XIII is currently suffering from (my tutorials shouldn't last for EIGHT CHAPTERS OUT OF THIRTEEN!!!)

Oogazi
Oogazi

@TalesOfGod @bubba_1988 @Goobshoeriot Well its hard for some of you to assess whether FF13 was bad if you skipped it. I've played all of them, yes even X-2 (which I still think is the worst), but I don't agree that FF12 nor 13 were bad.

People who say the FF series has lost its touch in storytelling, or character development is really just outgrowing the series and the genre in general. If you took an unbiased assessment with FF13 and say FF6, 7, 8, or 9, you'll find that the amount of quality storytelling is quite equally comparable. The difference isn't that the series have change, it's YOU who have changed.

And of course nostalgia plays a huge factor in our evaluation.

TalesOfGod
TalesOfGod

@bubba_1988 @Goobshoeriot 

I'll say. I didn't care about anyone at all in the main cast except for Baltheir and Fran (that was slightly).

In fact, my favourite character (and most developed) was Gabranth. He's pretty much the ONLY reason I keep playing the game and haven't sold it yet.

Man, talk about a shame.

Yomigaeru
Yomigaeru

@bubba_1988 @Goobshoeriot I'd have to agree that I haven't been really excited about a FF game in a long time. I didn't play XIII until last year, and I still haven't gotten XIII-2. FFVI is my all-time favorite of the franchise.

erMonezza
erMonezza

@bubba_1988 @Goobshoeriot Yeah, 10 was awesome, 12 was already going down. The gameplay was fine, but the story had just too much politics and little good character interaction. No freakin' love story, damn it Square.

I completely skipped on 13 onwards. 12 was the last FF I played and if they continue like this, the last one in general.