GS News - Valve getting sued again, Xbox One and PS4 recording!

Xbox One can record the last 5 gameplay minutes to the PS4’s 7-15 minutes, Dota has a $2.6 million prize pool and are devs losing out from used games!

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innocent69
innocent69

Sony hates used games!!!!!!......Buy an Xbox, Xbox loves used games.

Karjah
Karjah

You know what amazes me? All these devs but mostly the publishers will line up to give gamestop and eb games all these preorder bonuses and bend over backwards for them and complain like hell about used games but never give those bonuses to steam.  

You don't like used games then why on earth wouldn't you give the best stuff to those who get the game on steam where they can't resell?  It just makes no sense to me at all.  

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

I just want the ability to remove crap games from my Steam account. Also I read somewhere that Valve is working with developers to allow trading of activated games. Jess, accent makes some of your words difficult to understand and I listen to a lot of Brits and Aussies.

Heclogit
Heclogit

Used gaming is the only reason games are over priced in the first place.

blackzio
blackzio

if digital trading becomes available, say goodbye to buying AAA games for $10 on steam sale. so...no, i don't think digital trading on steam should be an option. 

Verenti
Verenti

I'm late on this comment, but despite Valve winning previously, in 2012, the European Court of Justice, or the highest standing court in Europe has declared that European consumers have the right to re-sell their merchandise, even if they only have access to them digitally from a service such as Steam. Considering that Europe is the largest trade bloc in the world, I can't imagine that Valve could stand in direct contravention of European law for long. While most of the 28 member states have smaller economies when compared to China or the USA, Germany remains a major trading nation, and market for videogames. Then there are 27 other countries including Spain, Italy, France, UK, Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Poland, to name a few. Maybe they can convince the "Supreme Court of Europe" to go back on its ruling, but it seems unlikely. I would expect this to act as a launchpad for the redefining of the virtual market space for the globe. Besides, with the Steam Marketplace, it seems like they've had the infrastructure to commit to this new model in place for some time.


Just another example in a long line of instances where the EU pushes for consumer rights, and where it goes completely unnoticed by the world.

Also, can you guess what I studied?

gq_cjc
gq_cjc

No devs aren't losing money. The folks that tend to buy games used only buy them because they are cheaper. Those same people mostly felt that they weren't worth the original price tag, and only chose to purchase after a severe price drop. If there weren't used game stores they'd buy them from friends or friends of friends. Either way the devs wouldn't be seeing any revenue from that person. 

Diablo-B
Diablo-B

Where is that sexy devil Shaun? At least let that sweet piece of man candy co-host

MonkerzX
MonkerzX

We have second hand movies, DVDs, CDs, Vinyl, Books so why not games. It is NOT our job to bend to the will of developers, it is THEIR JOB TO CATER TO US.

xtraflossy
xtraflossy

That's such a bad idea on their part- they COULD, but then they would loose sales from anyone who has a cap on their internet, don't shop online, missed advertising by having their game displayed in a retail store.

If it was viable, it already would have happened

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

Used games are a thread to the very good digital game pricing on PC. These massive sales on Steam and stuff are possible because there are no used games here. And it's the reason (together with the subsidy policy for the way too cheap console) why there aren't such sales on consoles.....


_yuriy_
_yuriy_

I don't like used games, partially because of the damage on disks but also because I don't like buying games when they're new. I know people who trade games usually treade the newest games together, but I don't like that because I'm lazy and it's easier to wait for discount and not get up to return the game. Lol

ANUBISZER0
ANUBISZER0

Majora's Mask! Also why are the new gen systems recording gameplay at all?

GunEye
GunEye

That world of tanks, I swear it looks like a prank, a joke.. this can't be real.

quidditch3
quidditch3

If I turn around and try to sell my own car whether its 1 day old or 15 years old. I don't have to pay the car manufacturer or the dealership if its on kijiji, auto trader, etc. So why should gamestop have to pay devs for when ever a used game crosses their shelves. I agree we are all being taken for a ride by gamestop but for a different reason, how about the fact that I trade in a game and they give me $5 credit and then they turn around and tag it for $30 in that case we are being taken for a ride.

jflkdjs
jflkdjs

Love the Majora's Mask T-shirt :)

Kopusx
Kopusx

Used games are like used condoms, They don't benefit anyone, and you should not used them if you want your favorite company to survive...

RacoonEater
RacoonEater

Prepare to see Youtube (COD:Ghost) version where thousands of kids posting millions of the best kills ever made. Then you ask why are the kids wearing guns in your community?

gamer7736
gamer7736

lol record the last few minutes of my gameplay of me getting owned over and over again and then rage quitting.

Karjah
Karjah

@gq_cjc From what I've seen of used game prices they are not really a drop in price so much as a save 5 bucks option.  

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@MonkerzX Each of your examples has at least one other revenue stream  - games have not.

Doing business is about the search for a fair solution for everyone involved in the process. That's how contracts are made (or at least should be).

And no, used digital games don't even cater to us.....they only threaten cheap prices for new games....

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@xtraflossy People would buy games cheap on sales and resell them after the sales - first result: developers will get less money - second result: prices for digital games will go up - third result: big sales likely won't happen anymore......

It don't like this future....

poopinpat
poopinpat

@LordCrash88 steam sales are one of the biggest reasons why used game sales are entirely unnecessary on pc.  I bought pretty much everything I'm going to play this year for about $80 on steam this past sale.  Games like Bioshock Infinite and Metro Last Light were on sale for way cheaper than you can get them used at large retailers.  You would need to do some serious deal hunting to beat those prices.

benbonney
benbonney

@jflkdjs she is such a zelda fan girl.... no problems with that though :D

benbonney
benbonney

@Kopusx In theory, you buy a game then that means you own it. Imagine a film that could only be played on its activated dvd player... used games make up a large portion of the retailers economy and the fact is that if you take away used games, new games will still only sell roughly the same amount of copies.

Leejjohno
Leejjohno

@Kopusx 

They benefit consumers... consumers in a recession.

If you have lots of money, good for you but some of us don't.

CraZed__
CraZed__

@RacoonEater You simply have no idea what you are talking about. Did you know that the height of gun related murders was in the early 90s before 3D gaming went massive? Since then gun violence has had a steady decline EVRY single year including every year a CoD game has been released. You can find this info on the FBI crimes data reports and elsewhere on the interwebs.  The evidence clearly does not support you theory that CoD or any violent videogame for that matter causes kids to 'wear guns in their communities.'

tsunami2311
tsunami2311

@RacoonEater one could ask who is at fualt the kid of the parent that got those games for them... parent are to blame 90% of time 

Saketume
Saketume

@RacoonEater They're not, because most kids here have a nice childhoods, know how to separate games from reality and we have gun restriction laws in place.

Still not looking forward to the youtube spamming in the next gen but maybe we can at least get less "gameplay" videos filmed with tilted, shaky cellphones.

Darkefka
Darkefka

@gamer7736 if you suck at games, it's your own fault... I don't get owned over and over again...

razama
razama

@LordCrash88@MonkerzX Video Games have another revenue stream - its called DLC. Not to mention that used game sales of one game will lead people to buy sequels, spinoffs, and even memorabilia.

_yuriy_
_yuriy_

I don't like buying brand new games. I prefer to wait for them to go on discount. Owning a game's box that could have been lying in a leftover pizza until someone finished a game kinda grosens me out. Yes I do have a couple of friends like that.

Kopusx
Kopusx

@Leejjohno @Kopusx Lets look at this objectively, First of all, if gamestop would really give us a discount on used games, I could see how that would be an argument, but it isn't. Gamestop Buys your game for 1/3 of the price and turns around and sells it for almost the full price -5 Dollars. Meanwhile, developers lose money and go the way of midway, and several other great game makers. Look at Steam, They sell us games at a fraction of the price and developers still survive. That is on the PC side of the house.

CraZed__
CraZed__

@Leejjohno @Kopusx How do you think people with lots of money stay wealthy? They save money by paying less for things at every opportunity. Used games included.

Dan11223344
Dan11223344

@CraZed__ @RacoonEater Not sure what side i'm on but it is possible that violent games give an outlet so they don't feel the need to be violent in real life.

Drew1333
Drew1333

@Darkefka @gamer7736 there is always somebody better out there......that is what makes the game fun.....it's called a CHALLENGE.....and only a liar says they have never got owned and rage quit a game before..... 

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@razama @LordCrash88 @MonkerzX
1) DLCs are new content for which people have to work and which costs money in development. It's not selling the same thing over a different channel which would be a proper second revenue stream..... (like for movies: DVD and cinema and TV)
2) A higher consumer base is always good for upcoming work, that's true. But cheap prices for new games do the same trick. I prefer cheap new games over cheap used games tbh.....

Kopusx
Kopusx

@Dan11223344 @Kopusx Well said Dan, My only problem with the use games is that, in the end, it does not benefit developers. We need developers to be viable and profitable so that they continue to make games. in the end, the used game market will continue to thrive, however, developers need to create downloadable content that will help their games sale.

1) If used games die, developers will realize that they will need to create better games for their games to sell.

2) If users cannot buy used games, they will, in turn, be more careful with regards to how they spend their hard earned money on games, so lesser important or underdeveloped games will not sell.  Either way, the industry needs to change or we will begin to only see best sellers while the lesser known games will go the way of the dinosaurs.

Dan11223344
Dan11223344

@Kopusx And you fail to mention the quality vs pricing. Almost all games new cost £40 here in the UK. It doesn't matter how much the game cost to develop or how many staff worked on it, it will be sold for £40.

Without the option to rent or buy pre-owned there would be plenty of games and series that i would skip over in favor of the one that offers better value for money. And i don't see how consumers being less interested in new or unproven games is a good thing. 

If the companies themselves offered renting services or actually charged what the game was worth people wouldn't feel the need to trade and re-sell. Although i feel that trading your games is essentially recycling. Whats the point of having hundreds of game discs that you may never play again, when you could move it on to someone else so they can enjoy it, without having to create more plastic disks.

_yuriy_
_yuriy_

Yeah but developers rely on the first purchase of the game. Once it's sold it's no longer theirs, therefore it can be traded around the market. In theory, it's fair. Btw comparing games on sale and game trading doesn't make sense, they're different.

Kopusx
Kopusx

@Leejjohno @Kopusx There was a time, when retailers did that in the US, however that time is long gone. I remember as a kid, I would go to a store, do a trade in, and actually hand over a few bucks for a newer game, but now, Some of the best places got purchased by Gamestop and we are now left with the worse versions of those retailers. In truth if we still had a reputable place such as Grainger Games, then that would make sense, but we don't.

Leejjohno
Leejjohno

@Kopusx I buy from Grainger Games... they undercut everybody else with price matches. They are the most ethical of the whole bunch... but then they are a UK franchise.

They even price match your trade ins.

Kopusx
Kopusx

Bty, I am not rich, I have been around since the days of Nintendo, and I am very careful about the games I purchase, nevertheless, GameStop is a Conniving beast that needs to die.

Darkefka
Darkefka

@Drew1333 @Darkefka @gamer7736 I've got owned in some games (usually the hard ones like Dark Souls and such) but i don,t ragequit, I love challenge and welcome it open handed ;)

santinegrete
santinegrete

@Darkefka @santinegrete @gamer7736  not because you're good, but because you post it here and rectify it  from time to time like a compulsive necesity. Remember most of those are inferiority complex reversed ;)