GS News - Twitch Plays Pokémon, PS4 vs. Xbox One 1080p battle continues!

The resolution contest continues to churn with Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes, Ryse gets cheaper and why is Twitch Plays Pokémon the best thing ever?

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dexter-404
dexter-404

oh my gosh seriously? Stop people please stop whining about resolution and frame rate that doesn't matter the games do and how fun they are


qualopec_1
qualopec_1

What battle? Jess, the one this site is instigating, it seems to me that the people who are bitching and trolling about resolution with your help of course are the people who actually do not have  an Xbox One and the ones that do, care about the games. I have both consoles and I don't give a shit about the fucking resolution, I care about the games I like and how fun they are.

XCyberForceX
XCyberForceX

Buy a digital version of game that I can get at the same price at Ebay but can recoup nearly 90% of what it cost to buy it there?  No comparison.  Give me the disk every time.  You can't resale a digital copy.  Mooooohahahahahaha!

furrionn
furrionn

There is a fundamental issue with the arguments on this post. You have several people that are arguing which console is "better". Better is such a subjective term that it be constituted in so many different ways. When it comes to the PS4, yes, the hardware can handle 1080p better than the Xbox One can. Xbox One took the RISK and the BET that 1080p is not going to be the deciding factor on this console. They took the BET that multiplayer seamless play is going to be the deciding factor. There is so much more POTENTIAL in the cloud when it comes to developing games. IE Making the AI more adaptable to our gameplay, algorithms that we can't even begin to comprehend, and a cheaper solution for developers so they can focus on the game rather than, "OMG we have to spend how much for servers?!?!" 


Personally, I have an Xbox One and I'm taking the bet that I will enjoy their games and also the multi function applications much more than I would a PS4 that really cannot multitask (Today). I've played the PS4 and cross platforms are not that different at all (I own a Samsung Smart 3D TV). The only difference I noticed was the online gameplay which favors the X1. I will say however that I would be curious to see a full 1080p 60FPS game on the PS4 on my TV, because I can appreciate the fine graphics, but is that a deciding factor for buying a console for ME? No. 


I can also say that PS4 could not handle what Titanfall is doing from a seamless smooth perspective ONLINE at a 1080p 60 fps standard, it would not run as smooth as it would with lets say a 720p/900p level. PS4's cloud really focuses on the Streaming of old and current games on multiple devices, which is great, however I don't see myself playing a Titanfall type game on a Vita, I'd rather play my games on my nice TV.

kenundrum7
kenundrum7

Resolution matters, as does high frame rates. For any "next gen" console to not have 1080 and 60 fps as easily attainable is quite laughable.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

God I hate when they put "zoomed" comparisons in. When will the game ever be that zoomed in when you are playing? Never? Well then why do we care about what it looks like when zoomed in?

tansei
tansei

Ryse sucks, 1080p should be the standard. I am disappointed with the xbox one. Games are 720p but hey you can Skype your grandma :(

Saul_Ed_Snake
Saul_Ed_Snake

Well, I was on the fence and didn't buy a next gen console on release, I wanted to wait and see what each console brought to the table in terms of performance, launch titles, and the inevitable launch hardware malfunctions (although the latter is a small percentage of units), and now PS4's are kinda hard to come by in my area at the moment, so I'll be purchasing an XBox One this friday, and when available, a PS4. The 720/1080P debate doesn't bother me as much as some of the other features, but I guess it's my own damn fault for not buying at launch.

Afinati
Afinati

Detailed coverage of the activities of an ant colony would be a more epic bore.

This Pokemon stream is nuts, but oddly compelling.

ECH71
ECH71

I actually love hearing about resolutions and frame-rates because every time we talk about it, Microsoft dies a little inside...

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

I only want to hear about PC games. Sry, guys, but she asked for an honest answer so here it is.... ;)

hystavito
hystavito

$39.99, OMG, they are going crazy!  Such a bold experiment :).


Side note, so few videos and articles today, and then I realized it's President's Day in the US.  It's also a holiday in most of Canada, it's called "Family Day" here in Ontario.  It's a modern holiday they made up several years ago.

Diegoctba
Diegoctba

Ground Zeroes is so short, doesn't matter the resolution, also the gameplay, because you don't play MGS...

at129907
at129907

How the hell do people have enough time to twich play pokemon?

amdreallyfast
amdreallyfast

I enjoy hearing about XBox One and PS4 sales less than resolution wars, but not by much.

I would enjoy hearing more about goat simulators and possible sequels.

shaizan
shaizan

I totally want to talk about resolutions and frame rates some more.  (Not really)

people100
people100

all hail the mighty helix fossil


suppaphly42
suppaphly42

I'm so glad i canceled my xbone a week before launch ( 24 games and not one i wanted) to spend about three times as much building a pc gameing rig that always plays at 1080p at 60 fps.

hairdie
hairdie

@Dannystaples14  i think they do it to show the difference to all the idiots who cant tell or simply need glasses seriously though these videos are useless what are needed are high resolution uncompressed photos so there is no loss and it looks exactly the same has it does when you are playing it i mean come one 3.5mbps video stream if were lucky??!!!!   sorry GS not good enough

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@tansei  Which is funny since I've recently found out many PS3 and Xbox 360 games weren't even in proper 720p to start with. I've always said I've never had a problem playing games at 720p but it seems I've not even had a problem playing them at below that either. 1080p is so unnecessary. When did gamers start caring more about stupid stuff like that compared to which games are best?

hairdie
hairdie

@Saul_Ed_Snake  lol this is one of the reasons why xbox one are selling cos people cant find ps4 so they are impatient and jump ship but soon all those 1080p sections will make em trade in for ps4 

Jdzspace
Jdzspace

@ECH71  = everytime an article is published about how badly Microsoft is getting outclassed, or how underpowered that it is. 


a Microsoft executive is given the antidote to the mind controlling serum Microsoft forces it's execs to take in order to convincingly spin it's failures, and comes to his senses and returns to his family as a fully functional member of society


it's a good thing

amdreallyfast
amdreallyfast

@suppaphly42  Keep in mind that the 60fps limit on monitor refresh rates is due to an old design of CRT monitors that triggered screen refreshes by the fluctuations in the power grid (namely 60Hz).  The design just stuck around when everything became digital.  

But this year, some partners with NVidia (ASUS comes to mind) are releasing some special monitors that break free of that limit and refresh whenever the GPU spits out a new frame.  Save a bit and get a new GSync monitor if you can :).

hairdie
hairdie

@Dannystaples14 @tansei  it is not stupid!!!!! what is silly is to say it does not matter when clearly you  miss the point entirely!!!! it not about how good it looks its about how much power both systems have at there disposal. soon xbox one will suffer . there are no magical programming techniques that can get the xbox one to display more pixels  now than it did in its first gen of games if you think this is the case you are dreaming pal. even xbox 360 and ps3 never got more pixels flying around the screen now than they did in the final gen of games. check out project gotham racing 3 if you dont believe me . at first glance sure pgr4 does look better but start by look at the shadows and the reflections and the lighting all were massively better .especially with the in car view . all they ever do is drop details like lighting and lower shadow detail and reflection quality to ramp up other more noticeable graphical features. 

oh and so many people go on about the ps4 being better just because of better memory bandwidth and this is only the start yes maybe they can improve the bandwidth with that on chip memory BUT it wont make that much difference because the xbox one only has a limited amount of pixel pushing power. to be honest the ps4 will never even come close to reaching its memory bandwidth limitations simply because the gpu is not that great either (although a fair bit faster that the xbox one).


also what do you think the ps4 will do with its power if it is capable of dropping its res to 720p? that affords it much greater graphical detail! THATS WHY PROGRAMMERS DO IT!.

where is the xbox one going to drop to ? 480p? are you kidding me?

Saul_Ed_Snake
Saul_Ed_Snake

@Diegoctba @Saul_Ed_SnakeOther than PC, it's my only choice. As I said, I will be buying a PS4 when available. I don't take sides in console wars, and I like to be able to play each companies exclusives. I am, however, open to suggestions on games to purchase with it.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@Jdzspace @ECH71  And all of the stupid fanboys showing themselves up as anti-gaming since they care more about visuals than actual games. That is why I make it this far down the page. Watching them shoot themselves with their stupid comments is lovely.

ECH71
ECH71

@Diegoctba @ECH71  

The power of their implementation of cloud-based processing is grossly exaggerated.


I'm fairly confident it won't even come close to allowing their games to magically run at 1080p60. Even if it could, developers don't enjoy having to write so much extra code for an individual platform just to enable to compete with the other ones.

ECH71
ECH71

@amdreallyfast @suppaphly42  

Love the concept, hate that it's Nvidia because it means this tech is not available to us AMD gfx card owners. :(


I wish there was always a third party who developed these technologies into a standard so we could all access it.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@hairdie  And that is what is stupid. The fact you think they need to improve the number of pixels on the screen, like it somehow makes a difference to a game.

As long as the game is good I'll take it. I would still be playing my PS1 if they still made games for it.

Imagine how fun games would be if developers spent as much time developing AI, and gameplay as they do graphics.

I still hold most of the best and highest rated games for me personally are on the PS1, PS2 and Original Xbox. I still own my PS1, something tells me I won't be keeping my 360 once I have a next gen console. I never want to replay games now, let alone in a few years.

The sooner developers start making games that are fun and not just all about numbers of pixels the faster the gaming industry will get back on track.

I mean you know it is bad when people legitimately suggest mobile games will overtake consoles and PC. I mean how is that not a massive kick up the ass telling developers they need to start making better games when people are choosing fucking phone games as an alternative?

biglee424
biglee424

@hairdie  !!!!!! << too much of these pal lol. I understand your frustration with the resolution. its next gen and a 1080p res. is a natural progression of things. it is expected  to be delivered by both devices, but that't not the case here sadly. I think I agree with what @Dannystaples14 said though ... a good game is a good game whether its 1080p or not.

Saul_Ed_Snake
Saul_Ed_Snake

@GH05T-666 I was kinda feeling that way, but I'm just about through my backlog of 360/PS3 games, and I just received a substantial bonus from my job, so I figured why not. Plus, I really want a to play Ground Zeroes on next gen, even if it has to be at 720P, and there's no guarantee that PS4's will be available here by then.

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

@Saul_Ed_Snake @Diegoctba  

Dont do it, wait till there is more games out. There is nothing good for the new consoles yet. I have both PS4 and XB1 and there is nothing to play on them. They are both just gathering dust.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@ECH71 Yeah, but it is the developers in charge of making the games. The same developers who largely neglect things like gameplay and story FOR the eye candy. Because they seem to think if it looks good we'll play it regardless.

I mean take Bioshock Infinite. I LOVED that game. Totally loved every second of it and in terms of visuals it was pretty but it sure wasn't Crytek standards. Yet because the story and the characters and the atmosphere were so well done it didn't matter. I still loved every second of it.

I'll take decent visuals but only when the story and actual game have been done properly. And those are the places that developers normally end up neglecting.

That is why I think developers should stop pissing around with new and better visuals. I mean who gives a crap about new smoke effects or lighting algorithms? I want a good game that will deliver a great experience nothing else. They can work on graphics when they figure out how to make a game I actually want to play. Unlike most of the games last generation. 

People used to play games for the fun and the story, now they only seem to care about resolutions and textures.

Honestly if the gamers all want games like Crysis where the only thing they bring to the table is graphics, I don't know how much more the industry will be able to sustain me before I just leave it for good. 

ECH71
ECH71

@Dannystaples14  Then your issue is with the developers not balancing their focus evenly between graphics and gameplay. Developers like Crytek who try to sugar coat crap with pretty visuals. I'm with you on that.


As for visuals not adding to the experience however, I respectfully disagree. Better graphics is eye candy, better presentation. Sure there may be gamers out there like yourself who don't get tired of seeing the same graphics decades later but obviously the majority of gamers do. This means there's a serious enough demand for it otherwise the industry won't be supplying it.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@ECH71 @Jdzspace  Have to care about both. I honestly legitimately 100% don't though that is the problem.

I'd happily play a PS1 game that has modern gameplay, and AI and dialogue but still looked like it did back on the PS1.

I've played PC games maxed out before and I've never felt that the added visuals added anything to game experience. Games will still suck badly even if they look nice. If a game is awesome it could look like a PS1 game and still be awesome to play.

My main problem is though there is a definite correlation between games looking great and games sucking badly. 

Crytek games in general look great and most of them are boring.

It can't be a coincidence that consoles have been getting more and more obsessed with graphics since the last generation and the last generation was also the weakest one in terms of games from what I can see.

The number of games I hold close and can say "Yes that game was totally off the scale awesome" from last gen can be counted on one hand.


ECH71
ECH71

@Dannystaples14 @Jdzspace @ECH71  It's anti-gaming to care about visuals?!


If we cared more about gameplay than visuals, games of today would look a decade older. You have to care about both.


Since your post is within a "thread" I started, I'm assuming you're implying I'm one of those fanboys... to which I say I'm a PC gamer -- these issues don't really affect me.


I just personally don't like Microsoft since they've forsaken PC (Windows) gamers when they entered the console business. When they made most games Xbox exclusives despite Windows being one of their own platforms.


That's why I'm annoyed by all this "it's no big deal" BS spin they dish out, and all the gamers who enable them to continue screwing them over and the industry in general.

ECH71
ECH71

@Dannystaples14 @ECH71 @Diegoctba  


I never said it was a bad thing, I'm just skeptical about its ability to level the playing field as far as visual capability goes...


...unless, if by cloud they mean a service like OnLive, which would a) be cheating b) be an inconvenience for those who don't have a fast 24/7 connection c) suck for those who paid hundreds of dollars for a glorified streaming box.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@ECH71 @Diegoctba  So? Every little helps as far as I'm concerned and if they don't at least have a go, then the process will never improve will it?

Sure it might not be changing the game by massive amounts but why does that make it such a bad thing? At least Microsoft are having at go at innovation.