GS News Top 5 - New BioWare Game; How Improved Is The Last of Us On PS4?

The Last of Us Remastered’s improvements are broken down, BioWare tease their new game, and EA is concerned that VR and beer don’t go together.

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scarred_fox
scarred_fox

been on tour with contiki for the past month. thanks for the top 5 vids. caught up on my game news and can now continue on with my gaming fix ^^

Bazz3442
Bazz3442

I can't help but laugh at the comment about console's struggling. Not too long ago weren't a lot of console fanatics on this site announcing the death of the PC and how game developers will not be supporting this platform anymore but it has since then gone from strength to strength.  


I wouldn't want the console to suffer "a death" as I could always see it's appeal, but I would love to hear what those same hardcore fanatics feel about the PC now, and how their beloved consoles could indeed struggle (not very convinced yet) in the future.

nipsenbusker
nipsenbusker

Tell me something - after Richard Leadbetter and Eurogamer had been measuring the TV sync as "input lag" in the actual game engines. And then harshly critiquing certain specific console-developers they dislike for not being able to match PC developers and Treyarch, etc. 


Or when insisting that the static lighting model used on the xbox360 version of Battlefield 3 was at least as good as the dynamic model on the PC version (which it obviously isn't, but he edited the video to only show the cutscenes).


Or when somehow finding out that the Shadow of the Colossus remaster - which is a brilliant port, running the original code-snippets, but with a secondary overlay treatment of the graphics - didn't actually run in "1080p" but a lower resolution - with no proof whatsoever. Which made it into several of the site's reviews and articles, because they trust Leadbetter completely. But which they then had to edit out afterwards, because it's demonstrably not the case.


Or after running a piece what can in the most benign way possible only be described as a literal copy of the "features" pages of the whitepaper supplied by the developers of Forza, except rewritten to sound as a technical article describing the improvements over the previous games, etc. Which the guy defended, and the editor somehow let him get away with.


Or after making a complete fool of himself in this tech-overview of the Last of Us - like any other tech-piece he contributes to or writes - by literally failing to see anything else about the game than what the publisher contacts want him to see? 


In the Last of Us, the ps4 version is lacking the lighting system and the animation that made the game - in spite of being so derivative and fairly boringly set up - still interesting to play. The way the characters move made the game as you play it interesting, while keeping the flow between cutscene and gameplay very easy. And the ps4 version lacks some of those elements.


However - Leadbetter couldn't care less, because he's only enumerating the points given by his publisher contact.


And this is by no means an exhaustive list. So tell me: why are you still linking and mentioning Richard Leadbetter at Eurogamer? He's at best a charlatan. There's rarely a "huge headline" piece that comes from Eurogamer's "Digitalfoundry" that isn't littered with specific errors, in spite of the waffling vague language they typically use.


So why are you linking his tripe?

M8ingSeezun
M8ingSeezun

Going off topic, Jess, you're looking more beautiful, each time I watch GS News. 

n0xinab0x
n0xinab0x

black people using chopsticks...right.

Klyern
Klyern

Well there we go, Hawkings put it as simply and as concretely as possible, being disconnected from reality is not something that people so simply buy into, it might be the whole idea behind "fantasy VR" inspired products, but getting the idea across beyond the fantasy and into real-everyday life is still not something that is quite as easy as *just* telling people: "get used to it"

CalinTM
CalinTM

OMG, she has a clown mouth, very big....


But she's cute afterall, kinda..

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

Are they charging full price for what's basically a port,? been watching the side by side and I see very little difference. Seems sorta of rip offish. This is why I have yet to move on from Ps3.  The last of us.

rasterorsoniu13
rasterorsoniu13

Those BioWare teasers were stupid. They were neither scary or interesting. Where is Mass Effect?

dmblum1799
dmblum1799

I've been playing the ps4 last of us. First of all the controller is way better. The graphics are amazing but not that much different. I really like the sound with headphones. 


The game was kinda always about story, so that's not changed. You do get DLC which I didn't have before. 


If you loved the game on Ps3 like me pick it up. If you haven't played most assuredly pick it up. But if you played it on Ps3 and didn't fall for it take a pass.

moesuir
moesuir

Sony supports physical games, Gamestop supports fingerprinting people trading in physical games.....IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

rickphoenixxx
rickphoenixxx

Nice to see the last great PS3 game finally getting the PC treatment lol.  I for one hope the popcorn zombies look even more delicious this go around. And sad to see EA's reasonably priced service getting the cold shoulder from Sony, the reason it's not gonna be featured on the PS4 has NOTHING to do with it offereing no value to customers(cough cough playstation now)

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

PC Hardware gives it the upper hand. Yet game developers don't make the games on PC all that spectacular compared to consoles. Like other than the graphics effects there is nothing a PC game has ever done that couldn't be done on a worse looking console version.

If PC was making games that was pushing the limits of simulation and physics to the limit I'd agree but they don't. Right now you use the extra power of a PC for more graphics and frames and not much else.

watchdogsrules
watchdogsrules

VR looks good but i bet that its crazy expensive plus there are sooooooooooooo many disadvantages to having one.

(can't see anything, can't hear anything, some big block attached to your head, etc.)

CyberSteak
CyberSteak

Ok, so they didn't axe Jess either.  This is good news also.

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@CalinTM You like a 5 year old or something? What a childish, beyond immature thing to say. Oh look CalinTM is a small child lets all point fingers and laugh at the shorty.

bizzy-sgs
bizzy-sgs

@VegasDawg As someone who never owned a ps3 and gets to play this for the first time on ps4,it's anything but a rip off.For $10 less than what people paid on the ps3 I get 1080p resolution ,60fps,updated textures,the left behind DLC and all the DLC multiplayer maps.Best deal I ever got.


I bet all you hear in your head is " me,me,me,me,me...." Not everything is about you.TLOU remastered was definitely not released for you.Did you ever take a second to think about the millions of new playstation gamers who never had the chance to play this ?

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@dmblum1799 No hate. But why would you pick it up again if you have it on Ps3 already? It's just about the exact same game, the graphics are only slightly better and wasn't that the whole point to put it on Ps4?

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@rickphoenixxx I think you mean console treatment. You do know the Ps4 is behind Pc correct? If it was on Pc it would look a helluva a lot better. You can barley see the difference between the 2 games.

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@watchdogsrules One VR has not launched yet they  are only selling dev kits. And I'm pretty sure when you do buy it you don't have to keep it on 24 hours a day.  pretty sure you can take it off, if you want to hear/see something, I for one would love the total immersion because that's why I play games...to escape.

Pawfalcon
Pawfalcon

@watchdogsrules I don't see that many disadvantages. Crazy Expensive? Maybe, hope not but we'll see. Can't see anything? I usually play with the lights off and as dark as possible so it doesn't make much difference to me. Can't hear anything? Thought the sound/headphones/whatever was separate (Oculus at least) so that seems kind of dependent on you. I'd probably use my Grados which will still allow me to hear... anything really. And the Sony VR is supposedly a lot more comfortable. Hopefully Oculus and other brands will follow along. 

As far as the whole "beer" thing goes, didn't the early Wii's break a whole lot of tv's and still manage to be one of, if not, the most popular console? People getting used to the idea of giving the game controls a bit of space should be small potatoes by now.

watchdogsrules
watchdogsrules

@CyberSteak i honestly thought she was going to be fired.

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@bizzy-sgs that was overly negative, there is no need to jump to vitriol attacks over an opinion that you don't share. that was nothing more then what any sony supporter might think, it was not off in left field , who has been one from the ps1 days most of them don't realize that about a 1/3 of ps4 owners now were xbox fans who jumped ship after xbox betrayed them with the BS at the reveal. also he probably didn't even think about all the dlc either   

nipsenbusker
nipsenbusker

@VegasDawg @dmblum1799 ..actually, if you care about animation and lighting effects instead of shiny surfaces, the ps3 version has better graphics..

dmblum1799
dmblum1799

@VegasDawg @dmblum1799


My view is this was my favorite game of the past few years and I want the best possible version.  I have the money and there aren't many great ps4 games yet (there will be). And 2/3 through I love it on ps4 and that's all that counts.

geosurface
geosurface

@VegasDawg @dmblum1799 No, the point was to take a super well received game that came out at the tail end of PS3's life cycle and get it on a machine that will be relevant for years, making it available to people who never had a PS3, or who trade theirs in and still want to be able to re-play TLOU at some point.

Pawfalcon
Pawfalcon

@watchdogsrules @CyberSteak ...why exactly? She seems pretty popular on-site. Granted I don't spend much (any) time in the forums so my judgement on popular opinion ain't great but she seems to be a pretty popular Gamespot figure with a "loyal" following. Not sure "loyal" is the right word but there's certainly plenty of people following her vids/shows on a regular basis, myself included.

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@CalinTM @VegasDawg sometimes you should keep your opinions to your self. do you say to people everything you think, like a person who had a stroke and can't tell the difference between thinking and talking. 

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@CalinTM @VegasDawg Evidently you don't know the meaning of childish either. Grown men keep rude comments to themselves, especially about women. What's your agenda? Sounds like jealousy to me. Say that to someone in the street instead of hiding behind a PC like a child. 10 to 1 you get a broken nose.

torrne667
torrne667

@suppaphly42 1 in 3 sony fans was an xbox fan......you got any proof to back that up? neither console has ANY good games to make any kind of blind fanboy ship-jump in my opinion. Just wondering were these stats that you quoted are taken from. cheers.

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@geosurface @VegasDawg @dmblum1799 How has Sony turned seemingly turned intelligent human beings into slobbering ignoramus's? The point was to make a cash grab, It always is all about the cash with every stinking corporation.


2.It is more relevant on the Ps3 and it will be for years to come, without looking, I'm ASSuming there are more players on PS3. 


3. They said the remastered the game PFFFFT!!!!!!! This is nothing more than Ps3 tech going to the Ps4. It's a money grab and they putt very little effort into this game.


4. I said if you have the game already, I'll type slow evidently you don't comprehend very well, "Why would you buy it again? "You see there? I'm talking about people with a Ps3 that still have the game, NOT what your babbling about. Reading is one thing comprehending is another.


5. I asked a question and it's still valid, not the lunatic fanBOY rant you just gave me, try and stay on topic and read others post before spewing more ignorance.


Peace, I hope you've learned something today.


Naquada
Naquada

@torrne667 @suppaphly42 I can't back up his statistics, other than to say I'm kind of one of them.


I've always owned all competing consoles... What can I say, I like variety and access to everything. When it came to the 360, I bought it for its games quite a while before I got a PS3. This generation, prior to it actually coming about, I figured I would get a One prior to a PS4.


I currently own a PS4, and have yet to get a One. I likely will at some point in the not-too-distant future. Had MS not made a huge mistake in letting Titanfall come out on the PC, I likely would have bought a One first. With that out of the way, for the games I was actually interested in, it came down to them simply looking better on the PS4 (AC4, Ghosts, Tomb Raider DE), and the timing of exclusives I wanted (Destiny beta earlier with exclusive content at launch, The Last of Us Remastered).


The TL;DR would be that, despite some great games on the PS3, the 360 was the clear winner for me last generation, and the One would have been my first choice, but what was available for the PS4 was enough to lure me over there... first. Like I said, I'll end up with both, but the games are very easily what lured me go against my Xbox inclination and jump on the PS4 first.

geosurface
geosurface

@VegasDawg "How has Sony turned seemingly turned intelligent human beings into slobbering ignoramus's? The point was to make a cash grab, It always is all about the cash with every stinking corporation."


Of course it's about making money. You say that like it's a bad thing. Call it a "cash grab" if you like, but the fact remains that there are a lot of people who have and will have PS4s who never had a PS3. Making this game available on PS4 makes a lot of sense. It was incredibly well received, and plenty of games get GOTY versions with the DLC packaged in. Skyrim, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, Bioshock 1, 2, and Infinite, Borderlands 1 & 2, Dishonored, Batman games, Red Dead Redemption, GTA games, etc. etc. etc.


The point is, it's quite common for games which get a lot of critical praise and a lot of attention from gamers to receive a reissue a year or so later which bundles in the DLC.


This may have cynical "money making, cash grabbing" (ooohhh scary capitalism!) incentives for the companies that release these versions, but regardless of that, these versions also provide a nice option for gamers who are coming to the title later in its life cycle. It's more appealing to get more value for your money, and the feeling of completeness that comes from a full GOTY edition. To pay the same or even less than the original base game cost, to get everything that has trickled out since in the form of DLC and updates. It's a very nice option a lot of people take advantage of, a "definitive edition" of major games, and I think it's a positive thing. You're certainly entitled to disagree.


Now, given when TLOU came out, I think it makes a lot of sense that it's GOTY version (though they aren't calling it that) would appear on the PS4 rather than the PS3. It has the added benefit of allowing some graphical improvements, and incentivizing people to get a PS4, and providing the option to play the game to PS4 owners who never had a PS3.


"2.It is more relevant on the Ps3 and it will be for years to come, without looking, I'm ASSuming there are more players on PS3."


Okay... and? People are still perfectly free to buy the game and play it on PS3. It's not like the Remaster contains new content that isn't on the PS3. So you can't make another argument you might be making if that were the case, about a cynical move to get people to buy a PS4 to play the additional single player portion, or whatever.


"3. They said the remastered the game PFFFFT!!!!!!! This is nothing more than Ps3 tech going to the Ps4. It's a money grab and they putt very little effort into this game."


I'm a lifelong gamer in my mid 30's and I've been with consoles and PC since the early 80's. I am a bit of a graphics guy on PC and know a fair amount about things like resolution, frame rate, anti-aliasing, texture resolution. etc. From *my* perspective, the graphical enhancements in the remaster are significant. They are what you'd expect to exist when you consider that TLOU came out so recently, so late into the PS3 life cycle, and took such advantage of the PS3's capabilities. The jump between PS3 and PS4 just isn't as dramatic as some previous generational jumps, and I think people are going to have to come to grips with more gradual, small improvements in the future. I think hardware and graphics are hitting a bit of a plateau.


To many of us PC gamer graphics afficianados, quadrupling texture detail, increasing resolution from 720p to 1080p, and increasing anti-alaising all WHILE doubling frame rate is a rather big deal. I've played both versions and I'm playing the Remaster currently, and to my eye it's impressive. Your mileage may vary.


"4. I said if you have the game already, I'll type slow evidently you don't comprehend very well, "Why would you buy it again? "You see there? I'm talking about people with a Ps3 that still have the game, NOT what your babbling about. Reading is one thing comprehending is another."


You also said "wasn't (improving the graphics) the whole point of putting it on the PS4?" in the context of you claiming that they had not improved them much at all. That was the aspect of your first comment I was responding to, and that is what I disagree with. I also disagree with the idea that that was the WHOLE POINT as you said, of putting it on PS4. I gave you some other reasons I thought were part of the point of putting it on PS4, namely gaining access to a new market (PS4 owners who didn't have PS3's)


"5. I asked a question and it's still valid, not the lunatic fanBOY rant you just gave me, try and stay on topic and read others post before spewing more ignorance."


Presumably, the point I was making and the aspect of your post I was responding to is now clearer to you. Let's hope so. As for me being a fanboy? Well, I'd dispute that. I'm more of a PC gamer than a console gamer in the first place, and when it comes to consoles I've enjoyed my original XBox and my 360 a great deal more, and spent a great deal more time (though still not that much compared to PC) on them than I have on all 4 PlayStations combined. Frankly, every single Sony generation I've found myself disappointed that there weren't more games that really got my attention. I love the Halo series and plan to buy an XBox One when the Master Chief Collection comes out. Certainly not a Naughty Dog fanboy, only game of theirs other than TLOU I've played is Crash Bandcioot 1 on PS1, and I wasn't all that impressed with it. Then again, I'm not much of a platformer guy.


TLOU was a rare exception for me, being a Playstation game I really fell in love with. It may be the first one, though Silent Hill 1 on the original PS may have fit that category too.


Look, ultimately I don't understand why people are griping about this Remaster release. It's an option available to those who want it, for whatever reason. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it who doesn't want to. They released it at $50 instead of $60, and they didn't even advertise it or show it off much. It doesn't feel like a super cynical cash grab to me, but you're entitled to that opinion if you want. To me it seems like a logical way to make the game available to a new audience, and relevant for longer.


"Peace, I hope you've learned something today."


Likewise. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so combative and rude, but suit yourself.

torrne667
torrne667

@watchdogsrules @Pawfalcon @CyberSteak popular in what way?? every other post about carolyn was about her being a hotel or a motel if you get my drift... that is not popular ..that is just people taking the pi$$...which AINT good business

karin_2049
karin_2049

@watchdogsrules @Pawfalcon @CyberSteak I read somewhere that Lamespot wants to start making more video based content instead of (written) articles, that is probably the reason why Carolyn was axed. Also I think she was popular but for the wrong reasons, her articles and reviews were always too I-want-more-women-in-games biased IMO.

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@Naquada @torrne667 @suppaphly42  i also was an xbox  guy myself i have a boycott of PS so i've never had one, i jumped ship for PC and wii-u but then i own every nintendo system so that part doesn't count

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@torrne667 @suppaphly42 sometimes it takes a while to get back to a comment so lets see so ps3 and xbox 360 total world wide sales are about 80 mill each so about even with a slight lead to PS 


ok we have about 8 mill ps4 sold and a little over 5 mill xbox sold if things were even, like they were at the end of last gen, then they would both have about 6.5mill each  right but we don't we have what we have now its a fact that ps4 out sold the xbox at launch 3 to 1 now i didn't say it was written in stone 1/3 are i said about 1/3 leaving some wiggle room so its not that i have hard proof of this. merely an observation and what i think is a reasonable extrapolation based on the numbers  i could be wrong but i might be close :)

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@geosurface @VegasDawg (Sigh) More lunatic mouth breathing ranting.


1. Boy you typed a lot a stuff here and I again say to you try reading my post then comprehend what I'm saying. If you already have a copy and still have a Ps3 why buy another copy? Why is this so hard? Your basically arguing with yourself, except the part of the cash grab which I was just refuting your " No, the point was to take a super well received game that came out at the tail end of PS3's life cycle and get it on a machine that will be relevant for years" But thanks for changing your tune to my side. The rest of it has no relevancy to what I said, NONE OF IT, Try and go back a re-read what I posted and try to comprehend what i'm saying.


2. AGAIN no comprehension: I never said anything about people who have not bought or played the game. Go back re-read my post  and try to comprehend. 


3. Well my Jedi Master I've been playing games longer than you and I can tell you your a very small part of the population that do those things, spew numbers all you want, the game's graphics look basically the same. No one when they made this game had your type in mind. Your like less than 1% of gamers. Look at the game with your eyes this is what most of the world see's, you sound like a desperate fanBOY.


4. Yep they called the game REMASTERED, but yet they used old tech and basically put the same game on another platform. When does the remastered part kick in? It don't ,so it's a flat out lie and that's means they are trying to dupe people, It worked they got you and your other reasons have no relevancy on my post, your just babbling again. They barley improved the graphics with PS3 tech and added no new content, You can't deny that , it's a FACT.


5. The reason I said you sound like a fanBOY because your post to me had little to do with what I asked, I mean your ranting about something that no one said, That is ridiculous just like a fanBOY. This is what I'm griping about. They said it's a newly remastered game, it's not, that's a flat out lie. Maybe you like it when companies try and dupe people into buying something, I don't. 


Again I only asked the dude; Why would you buy another copy if you already have one? I mean look at your post your ranting at me like I said something different. Makes no sense to me. The graphics barely improved and there is no new content. One would think you would have to be a fool to buy another one. It's a valid question.

Please go back re-read my post and try comprehending it PLEASE.

Naquada
Naquada

@suppaphly42 @Naquada @torrne667 PC is actually my main choice as well. I am kind of excited for this generation of consoles though. It's been half a decade or better that I've been choosing the PC version of something simply because the console version always is actually inferior, sometimes to significant degrees.


Now, the current crop can nearly go toe to toe with my gaming PC for visuals, from the comfort of my lovely couch. Once upon a time, software would continually push hardware limits on PC, nearly forcing constant upgrades. Now, it seems like most developers want their games to run on everything from a $10K PC to a toaster, and without that software graphics push, I think the new consoles will have a considerably longer realistic life of graphics parity with their PC counterparts... especially since the consoles are now basically Steam Machines. :D

geosurface
geosurface

@VegasDawg @geosurface Okay I'm going to try to keep this shorter and sweeter:


You keep being so hung up on what you said in your first post, I know what you said in that post, and I've told you what portion I was choosing to focus on and respond to. I took issue with your implication that the whole point (or marketed claim) about the game was the graphical improvement, AND that they hadn't done much in that regard. I disagreed with both those ideas, so I mentioned other reasons I felt were significant in their decision to release the product, AND I gave you reasons why I disagree about the graphical improvement being minor.


So please, stop harping on what the main point of your earlier post was. I have made it clear, I wasn't responding to the main point! I actually somewhat agree with you that it would be a bit silly to buy this if you have the PS3 version complete with DLC already, though I certainly wouldn't fault someone for doing it. But again, and for the last time, I was responding to your later implications about the graphical improvement and the reasons for the release. Got it?


You say the title doesn't deserve to be called a remaster, but to my eye the graphical fidelity increase is similar to the jump from a DVD to a blu-ray and nobody would take issue with the fact that Jaws, for instance, represents a remaster because they went back and did a new transfer from the original film and color balanced it, etc. Some people (like my dad for instance) would not give a hoot about the difference between fidelity on the DVD and blu-ray, and frankly probably would be fine with watching it on VHS. Others of us do notice and do care and do value that level of improvement. Perhaps we're more visual, perhaps we're geeks, whatever.


But the fact is, it's not as though Sony misrepresented what this was. You may not like the word "remaster" but they had screenshots available, even more are available now including videos... they included the DLC, they never made any false claims about what they'd done for this release, or what was included, and they acknowledged what it was in its pricing being $10 less.


You may be older than I, but you argue like a middle schooler. "Mouth breathing" and all these implications about my intelligence, ability to comprehend what you're saying, etc. Tone it down and try to be more civil. This petty insult-laden approach isn't befitting a man of your age.


I completely respect your right to believe this release isn't worth your money, and I would encourage you to act on that belief by not purchasing it.

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@Naquada @suppaphly42 @torrne667 true that and, funny enough, is one of the reasons i picked PC i have a few more upgrades to do liquid cooler and i'm waiting for the 800 series nvida or what ever amd will have to compete and  a 1tb ssd after that i should be good for as long as the consoles are going.

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@geosurface @VegasDawg I can't edit so screw it. What I meant to say was I thought we resolved the issue on the reason why the made the game so excuse me  if you are I are confused on some issues, The main problem is we are having some communication issues, I really thought you were either flat out crazy or a fanBOY and I can't stand fanBOYs, I only respect gamers on this site anybody that limits themselves to just one system is not a gamer just a company xHORE.

VegasDawg
VegasDawg

@geosurface @VegasDawg I tried twice to write a post and it got deleted twice, so I'm giving up but before I go.


The game does not look remastered you say it is . I thought we resolved the reason they remade the game, for money, so excuse me if you get confused on some issues

You resorted to name calling (middle schooler) then calling me immature makes you just like me. I mean your ranting at me and saying things that have nothing to do with me. You do not respect me then. I asked 2 valid questions then look at your reply. Your telling me to tone it down?????  I have to go before I smash this Pc. 

I'll leave with some sound advice don't every buy an HP pc EVER.