while im up in the air about the "net gen". even if it is just for look i like the fact that the two companys where nice enough to stop and consider sayin good job to each other.
The PS4 is more powerful but since most games will be multi-platform they will be made for the lowest denominator and that is the Xbox One, when it is running on Xbox One they will port it over to PS4 and then at the last minute increase stuff like resolution which for the most part is a minimal difference at best.
The exclusives will probably shine brighter on PS4 but they come out what once or twice a year if that and can't be directly compared with the Xbox One anyway since the game isn't out for both.
Doesn't seem like a great reason to go PS4 over Xbox. If power was really a factor I'd just go build a new PC. But it isn't. I'd still be buying and still to this day have immense fun in games on my PS1. The same can't be said for many games on Xbox 360 or PC for the last three years.
I prefer PS4 exclusives also PS4 has better GPU, so I am planning to buy a PS4. Sorry xbone, I don't like TV.
It's an oligopoly of course they are in cahoots with one another... just like coke and Pepsi, one week coke is $1 the next week it's Pepsi, and the foolish consumer thinks they're getting a deal when it only costs a dime to make them..
Sony sold 1 million PS4 in NA only,
Microsoft also sold 1 million but in 13 countries.
How about launching PS4 worldwide ?
Tretton is a big-mouth corporate yes-man who happens to be an exec, but this is nothing new for business. Remember that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are businesses who just want your money, they're not your friends who are looking out for you, they are profit-driven corporate machines. They make enjoyable products, yes, but they have no personal stake in you as a person, only your wallet.
think about it ladies and gents.... next gen could see the 2 companies unite to form the Playstation X... an amalgamation of the 2 names and still numerically/sequentially correct.. maybe thats been the plan all along....divide then conquer afterall.
Should be an interesting race...I got popcorn...we'll see how long they keep the corporation buddy act up...
I'm just expecting the midlife lauch games for both consoles. It has been said over and over again that developers never go for the max capacity in the best launch date games. But midlife launches usually get about 110% pushing the limits of the console to deliver great visual performances...
Looking forward to titles!
#Xbone my favorite memory was watching the visualizations. i spent 4 days staring at my screen, lolz. ( :
Da best games on the PS4. I been waiting for some real games to get released and i never thought it would come outside of the developers, all it took is a voice to claim such!.
The differences aren't as glaring as they were between the original Xbox and the vastly underpowered PS2 - and look how the PS2 did.
Marketing sells consoles - not specs.
@brockelley Idiotic. Oligopolies, like monopolies, only exist in the presence of gov't aid. Without laws and regulations to prop them up they quickly fail, but I guess the only things to drink in your world are Coke and Pepsi. The soft drink industry also includes Cott and Dr Pepper along with MANY smaller names. Not to mention the assortment of non-soft drink drinks you have to choose from: milk, water, an infinite number of juices and juice manufacturers. Red Bull, Monster. I mean, Jesus Christ if that's your idea of an oligopoly no wonder big businesses are becoming more powerful as ignorant people scream for things like "more regulation" when they don't have a concept of why or what they're regulating. Microsoft and Sony, as well, are HARDLY oligopolies. I'm sure oligopolies provide things like "free" games with their paid services. Free software. Free money for playing. I mean, you do know the supposed purpose of an oligopoly, right? To ramp prices up, maximize profits at the expense of the consumer. However, it's no secret what the cost of producing these systems is. If this was an oligopoly Sony and Microsoft could EASILY chard $1000 for consoles because numb-nuts would pay it. But they can't. Why? Because of competition. You know, that thing that puts an end to monopolies and oligopolies? Only with gov't help can firms stifle competition - with regulation and legal bullshit. MS and Sony don't only compete against each other, they compete against PC's, Macs, iPads and other tablets. Not to mention the fact that this is a luxury item. This is not a necessity for people to live (very few things are). And with that in mind remember that MS and Sony are not just competing with each other, they are competing with other forms of entertainment, indirectly, as well. Some people may decide that the consoles are too expensive and opt for entertainment by other means, whatever that might be. Just like one does not HAVE to drink soda, they can choose milk, or water if they feel soda is too expensive. Put down the game consoles and pick up an economics book... and not one written by Krugman!
@bu3ouf91 You do know most of those were just a bunch of sheep though. PS4 fanboys have been slamming Xbox so hard on the internet for the last year it was almost trendy to be doing so. Most people are just following the crowd.
I'd rather sell a console to 1,000,000 faithful fans than to 1,000,000 sheep.
@SoraPR Who's Marry?
@machineares Actually, other than what Tanares followed up your dumb post with which was spot on, they do have a personal stake in you as a person because you represent future earnings for the companies. Smart companies recognize this while others don't - especially those who get special favors through gov't regulations to protect them from any real competition which allows them to stay in business while the quality of their product or service decreases.
@machineares Business is business and while some decisions are made for profit over product, the bottom line is developers and creators of any kind are still looking to make a product they can be proud of, because that is what is remembered. The companies that represent those products are still looking to make decisions that keep their business in a good light as well as turning profit. There's not a table full of men sitting around a table cackling and rubbing their hands together greedily. Most people involved are trying to make good games and good systems to play them on in a new world where every mistake is scrutinized and overblown by nerds like us. The demonizing of every corporate structure is a little childish at this point. It's important to remember they can be cold and calculating but it's also important to give them credit as human beings now and then.
@machineares And you sir, are kidding yourself if the reverse is not equally true. Most customers only care about games, that they function correctly (and a lot of entitled folk to THEIR specifications, see ANY MMORPG) and are out timely. Business want our money, we want good products. That is commerce. Given a few exceptions, there's no 'big evil corp' or 'poor downtrodden gamers'. There are publishers and there are customers. There is supply and there is demand. Little more.
@mick_holland Right, because there's no one else who would like to get into the console market.
Scarcasm at it's finest.
@mick_holland The more likely scenario is that one just becomes a software company, like Sega vs. Nintendo ended.
@myjota Irrational much? Yes
@cratecruncher Do you think it would be better if they went online and started bashing each other's consoles like people on here do? I think its a great sign of professional respect and sets a good example for the industry.
@Garnog I could watch an hour of a man wearing a stormtrooper helmet in his tighty whities reading the back of a cereal box, depending on the cereal, ingredients, tone, physical gesturing, and an offer to pour me a bowl. I'm sure Jess is with me on this one.
@Garnog That's true love man...or creepy obsession. Subjectively.
@Sevenizz Very true. I loved the original Xbox and I don't know that many people who haven't played a PS2 at some point.
@spec24 @brockelley I have a feeling they make the money in some other way. Nothing is free. There is always a catch. Something is always to good to be true. Microsoft seems to have large amounts of ads (live tiles) on their Xbox these days. I'm sure they are getting paid lots of money for that. A lot of companies are now doing data mining like Google has done for years. Not many of us new Google was doing it. I'm sure there are other factors that we don't know about as well.
@Dannystaples14 @bu3ouf91 You is the biggest jerk fanboy I've ever seen, You called the other side is sheep and you forget about most of them were to be Xbox fans before but no longer, For example if PS4 sold 1 million on NA itself only it might sell 3 to 4 time faster worldwide so all those people called sheeps ?, well guess what you are the sheep number 1,000,000 of Microsoft I saw. Congratulation. Clap everybody :D
@HybridExtreme @cratecruncher When an industry consolidates to just a few competitors there is an increased risk of "cooperation". Much to my surprise Sony didn't play the game this round and left M$ looking like greedy jerks to consumers. They will both lose profits as a result. (Logically M$ expected Sony to match their $499 price point for example.) Sony and M$ can't knock the other off so the smart strategy for them is to SHARE the monopoly. But they have to cooperate in order to profit from the arrangement. The friendlier they are, the closer they can match one another's policy leaving little to no choice for consumers.
Console manufacturers disliking one another helps undermine trust between them and is GREAT for consumers because if they hate each other they might actually engage in REAL competition.
@TigusVidiks @spec24 @brockelley I didn't discuss the ins and outs of beverages, you dip-shit. I was pointing out why his analogy was not an oligopoly, nor is MS and Sony. I'm sorry if a rebuttal of his statement doesn't fit into your world of "if it can't be said in 10 words I don't want to hear it". I shouldn't be surprised coming from a jackass kid on a game site who uses "sigh" and "really" to make himself feel clever and convince himself that he's made a point. Next time I'll be as clever as you and just say "no it's not" - that way your tiny brain can comprehend the post and you can move on. No one forced you to read it, as I doubt you did because it's not a list of beverage companies - unless 4 companies and two alternatives is infinite, and clearly your reading comprehension is lacking.
As you said "The people who buy the console first are core" ?I understand that all Xbox 360 owners are core users and who got the PS3 which the second console are the hardcore ?
Speaking of trolling I just say the truth, It's all about how many units both console sold, So you call that troll, and please find better troll word than "Sheep" because it's really weak.
@bu3ouf91 It doesn't matter whether they were Xbox fanboys before or Playstation. The point is they still jumped on the hate train because they wanted to be part of the trend. Instead of actually using their brain and making a decision for themselves they went with "Monkey see, monkey do" instead.
The people who buy the console first are the core gamers. Those are the same people who have been sat on websites like gamespot and IGN and youtube for the last year trolling the crap out of Microsoft.
It is the long game that will show it for what it really is. Seeing how the initial sheep respond isn't a great way of judging the success of any console.
@zzgamerzz @cratecruncher You missed my point. I'm not a socialist railing against Microsoft. Free market capitalism means companies compete fairly for your business. But when industries consolidate to a few players they can move in lockstep to create no differentiation among their offerings. What if Sony had offered the PS4 for $499? What could you have done? Sony would have made $100m more the first day if they had matched the XB1 price. They looked better than M$ but they screwed up by not playing the game. They will cooperate next time.
My internet was $35 about 5 years ago. Now it's close to $80 because ATT and TWC match each others price increases. They are so professional it makes me sick. Professional, pffft.
@cratecruncher Is Sony not also in the business to make a profit? Or by your M$ analogy, should I use $ony? This is capitalism. Consolidation gives the idea of multiple companies forming one whole. These are two companies competing for your business. They provide a service that you either choose to purchase or not. What is wrong with mutual respect for one another? The first PS3 I bought was $599, more than the X1 I just purchased.
If Sony included the PS Eye, their price point would have been higher than it was. These are business decisions based on the directions the companies want to go with their products. This is capitalism, and capitalism is based on profits, not losses. Companies don't survive in the long term on continual losses.
But to each their own... but these "M$" comments just do not make sense to me. All companies are in business to make a profit unless they are non profit organizations. At what price point does a company begin to look greedy and not just in business to make a profit? How much profit is to much? Is it when it is not your kind of product because you prefer the other and thus call it greedy because its more higher priced?