GS News - Photorealistic graphics, Steam Sale, GTAV better than MGSV?

Epic Games say photorealistic graphics are a decade away, Kojima says GTAV may beat out MGSV and Watch Dogs will be the same across generations.

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shinreiningyo
shinreiningyo

If money didn't exist we would get today what instead will be delivered 10 years from now.  Basically 10 years from now a 12Cores Xeon monster CPU (like the one that's going in the new MacPro -ie: not weak jaguar cores-) and the power of Nvidia Titan in SLi config will be affordable enough to fit in a $400 device.

How sad that all that power is already avaialble today but nobody will see (at least in the forthcoming future) what a config that's 10+ times more powerful than an Xbox1 can really do if pushed to the limit, it would be nice to see...

yasso
yasso

Annnd...this is why neither GameSpot nor IGN, or anyone else for that matter, should hire females as presenters in a male-dominated market! Most males end up commenting on cleavage, cuteness, ugliness, awesomeness, or whatever other skin-deep issue there is in the video, rather than commenting on the subject matter or news mentioned in the video! 

Attract audience? I don't think so! It's not just hits that increase profit; in the long run, it is the quality of audience engagement that makes all parties profit.

Deingerous
Deingerous

is this the same photorealism that was promised 10 years ago?? hmmm....

geroy69
geroy69

I think the photo realism is crazy awesome and not creepy at all. We've all known and have all said to one another that at some point it will come to that. deep down I think all of us were holding our breath and thinking it might have been this generation considering how blown away we all were at the time when 360 and ps3 first came out. Can't wait for a decade from now LOL

angleslam
angleslam

Jess McDonell is absolutely stunning!

ezjohny
ezjohny

Photorealistic graphics "Awesome"!

CaveManCobb
CaveManCobb

Fucking Kojima. I swear if he delays the game because he thinks GTA5 is going to be better I'll shit my pants.  

RoadStar1602
RoadStar1602

I've already bought 5 games off Steam and have spent less than $30. Steam sale > Christmas.

OpalDragon
OpalDragon

Well considering I've already bought games in a Steam bundle that I'll never download, I don't think I can top that.

TheSkyrimStatue
TheSkyrimStatue

It's not MGS 5, it;s MGS V, as in: 'V has come to' and 'Vapour Snake"

TheEveryMan
TheEveryMan

Did anybody hear her swear during the 'House Of Horror' segment? I was slightly surprised, but I guess everybody has to express themselves in some way.

ProgRocker
ProgRocker

It will be a GINORMOUS game and great advancement in detail when every blade of grass is unique and not a copy of some grass generator.  Image the uniqueness of every thing else in the game...... all the details that goes into EVERYTHING.  The only problem with that is finding out a way to make random drops (like an iron sword) unique from any other iron sword that you could find in the game world.  That would be crazy!

Renoo27
Renoo27

Awesome, now I'll definitely be getting Watch Dogs for PS4. Also, I bought Endless Space yesterday from the steam sale. Glad to finally have it. :) 

chad28_69
chad28_69

kojima said that? he really doesn't want to be doing MSG, does he?

ashyblood
ashyblood

There are different possibilities in games developers can work on once they've reached their goal of realism. They can work on developing more realistic interactions with non-playable characters in-game, interactivity with all objects in the game's world, the ability to walk into any random building or house, being able to interact in more ways with non-playable characters instead of only being able to just beat them up or kill them, choices that actually do influence the flow of the game and the main character's fate, Red Faction's level of environmental destruction becoming standard, having the choice to pick a camera type which would erase the line between First and Third person, being able to do things such as coerce, persuade, or bribe characters through conversational choices (and not just with the push of a button like in Syndicate), and more! With games going digital they could make games larger than ever and provide DLC's to add locations, enabling players to travel or even move their game characters to a different city or country. Game characters could actually have a life span! There is a LOT to be done in games. So much that the journey is pretty much endless. I hope they continue to push the bar. A long time ago all you could do was press a button to jump and stomp on "enemies" in games, now you can do a lot more and there is more yet to be made possible!

kohle36
kohle36

So, they have ten years until they have absolutely no idea how to 'improve' their games.

mrdarkmacmar
mrdarkmacmar

Sometime great graphics are not part of the game, they are the main part of the game, just look at 'L.A. Noire' and the first 'Assassin's Creed'. They both went on about the great graphics, but when it came down to playing the games, a bit of a let down. Just like CGI in films, it wont make bad films good, and the best graphics in the world wont make, say a game like 'Alone in the Dark' good, 'Watch Dogs' will sink or swim, if its a good game or a bad one

UnifiedGamer
UnifiedGamer

You gotta love Kojima, the man is admirable and an iconic figure in the industry and is so respectable that he actually praises his competition's works.

edviges
edviges

she doesn't have the touch in front of a camera... not a camera friendly this girl. Nice face isn't everything GameSpot.

eddieham13
eddieham13

Photorealistic graphics can lead to a very fake look if its not done well. 

emerin76
emerin76

@Vidpci nah, only because she's Australian...and she likes Alice.

Judecca7734
Judecca7734

@ProgRocker Now you're thinking.  Although for games of larger scale, a random generator would be necessary at some point (imagine being the designer that has to render each blade of grass in Elder Scrolls 10).  

I think it gets fun when you consider the future of destructible environments or anatomically correct villains/mechs in a game like MGS: Revengeance.  Better yet; a mech battle game where weight, mass and material were factored realistically and could be collected to be sold as scrap or to construct tools/weapons/good times.  I would call such a game Megaman Legends 3. Boom. You're welcome, Capcom.

xan114
xan114

@ashyblood if everything you just suggested would become the norm then most games would be indistinguishable from one another. there would not longer be FPS games or 3rd person adventure games like uncharted if you can just switch between first and third person mode. 

ontop of that, games will take years longer to make if every npc can be interacted with, every house can be explored across thousands of environments etc

TehMasterer2
TehMasterer2

@kohle36 Nah, the renderer (graphical quality) is just one part of the many modules in a modern game engine. They've still got plenty of room to improve with the physics engine/collision detection, sound quality, scripting optimisations, artificial intelligence (which is probably the biggest one), networking, streaming, memory management, threading, localization support...

I don't think games will be photorealistic in 10 years, anyway. Their technology may be capable of it in 10 years, but consumer electronics are always the limiting factor. 

ashyblood
ashyblood

@kohle36 Heh. Games will never be perfect, just like Windows or Mac OS - improvements will always be made. If not "improvements", then "changes" :)

ashyblood
ashyblood

@mrdarkmacmar just because Game B is not going to win "Game of the Year", doesn't mean it's a bad idea for it to look its best.

zowbaid
zowbaid

@angleslam @FrankFoxYaeger Totally agree with you. I can't believe one of the most popular franchises is a game about pure evil. Playing villainous characters, running over people, robbing banks, screwing hookers,  there is nothing good about GTAV, and people eat it up. That's sick. GTAV is pure poison and trash.

kohle36
kohle36

@TehMasterer2  Meant it tongue-in-cheek ('well we won the graphics war, now wtf do we do?'), but yes you're quite right. It's just too bad more studios weren't focusing a little more on those (and others) over the current gen.

eddieham13
eddieham13

@edviges @eddieham13 "realistic are not games"

I have no idea what you mean, use a full  sentence please. If you mean that games are not games if they have realistic graphics then that's ridiculous.

I was playing Resident evil 2 the other day and its great the graphics don't bother me at all but if they remade it like they did the first game it would definitely still be a game and a good one at that.

ashyblood
ashyblood

@eddieham13 @midfielderbille Yes. I want games that are realistic looking but still a game at heart. That would be awesome. Of course no one wants a game where you possibly die from a single gunshot......except fans of 007 for N64 I guess.

eddieham13
eddieham13

@midfielderbille Exactly my point. However they can make the mechanics of the game realistic as well, like driving, shooting, etc. But still have the GTA logic of "He went into his apartment" "Cleared of all charges".

midfielderbille
midfielderbille

@edviges @eddieham13I don't think it will be a problem if the graphics get even better - not at all. Realism isn't necessarily a bad thing, only if the games begin to consist of realistic elements only, but that's not the case here. We're talking about improving the graphical aspects of the games, which only have made games better overall until now. It makes them more believable, not boring. If you in GTA wouldn't be able to kill 100 people and escape the police afterwards, that might be realistic, but it would also somewhat ruin the game. Don't confuse great graphics with boring realism.

edviges
edviges

@eddieham13 @edviges a game isn't all about graphics of course. one of the best games i'm played this generation was The Darkness. Not so beautiful, stupid AI sometimes.... but a fantastic plot, fantastic voice actors! probably the best I know... after, maybe, BioShock. Peraphs The Last of Us (or B. Infinite) have a good story too, but it's difficult to beat. Regards

eddieham13
eddieham13

@edviges @eddieham13 That would be assuming that graphics is all that matters in a game? No, while they are an aspect of it games are usually made up of stories, characters, plots and gameplay. You will control some aspect of the game therefore making you involved and making it a game. Regardless of the graphics.

edviges
edviges

@eddieham13 @edviges if the games come to a phase where they gonna be super realistic in graphics... they are no longer games. just a representation of the real life itself. something like that... well sorry about my english! :) and for the sake of the consumers... they never will come to that point! I hope