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clarkydm
clarkydm

I love the flood of posts here from the sony fan boys. Im sitting here literally laughing my ass off. You guys are as bad as the Battle field 3 fans who flood the CoD news with your negative dribble. No one will really know what system is the best value until a year from now. I think Microsoft has made a mistake forcing the kinect, I doubt ill use one but I personally am more likely to buy a box over a PS4 because I like the controller better and I always found my xbox 360 played better than my PS3. BTW you Sony guys who always bragged about your online being free and you dont have to pay a fee like the x box peeps do for live guess what, your gonna pay too. In the end its all the same both company's make a great product.Sony will take a bath selling their ps4 at a loss but will try to make it up in game sales and Microsoft well I dont know what their plan is, kiss all their old customers asses  (like mine) for the next 3 months so we don't cancel our pre orders. I am almost willing to bet PS4 takes all the Nintendo customers ( mom and dad buying the kiddies the less expensive toy for  xmas ) and Microsoft sells what they always sell. Sonys market share goes up they out sell Microsoft but Microsoft's market share stays the same and the only looser is Nintendo.

Jearoon
Jearoon

I'm a floating voter regarding next gen consoles, but was certainly leaning towards Sony because of Microsoft's always online/used games policy. But fair play to Microsoft for listening to feedback and removing these limitations; they've levelled the playing-field to some degree. At least I can focus more on objectively weighing up what each console offers now, without the politics of their policies getting in the way.

starjay009
starjay009

Is that so Microshaft ? NAH.. not interested. PS4 has won the hearts of MILLIONS and I am one of them. Proudly pre-ordered my PS4 last week and haven't ever felt so good in such a long time. I am never even considering the XBONE pile of garbage. An over hyped VCR/Betamax hybrid from the 80s. It scares me to no end. Love my 360 though.. and will continue to play it for however long you keep putting games out for it. Sorry M$, you lost our respect and all these policy changes ain't enough. If you truly cared about gamers, you wouldn't have had them in the first place. That is where SONY beats you hands down. Your arrogance knows no bounds. Go on take away the family plan, go on keep the price where it is.. go on and make Kinect 2.0 spy on us during our private activities. Go on and do whatever you want to ruin consumer integrity. I am not falling for your trap. 

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

The PS4 shouldn't have any problems outselling the Xbone. The Xbox 360 had a year head start and the PS3 is beginning to overtake it.

seaevil
seaevil

And we will price the xbox one 399 ooh no just kidding, we are still microsoft and we will do anything for money. Just give us a reason to make better games and better programs(windows 8) becuase we suck and you will know it as soon as you buy the news xbox one thanks.

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

Too late. You revealed your intentions and the ONLY reason you're changing these policies is because of the possible loss of $$$ and not the consumer feedback that you received BEFORE E3. Also what's to stop you from implementing these policies again after a few years of console sales. Sorry Microsoft, but you can take your lemmings and drown them.

gouldjw
gouldjw

Anyone notice this little gem: "After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One"?

So, you still have to connect it to the Internet at least once. No, thanks! Still not a good choice for gamers, especially military and overseas.

sb999
sb999

Clearly people didn't understand that the DRM was actually a good thing, DRM being bad is a thing of the past.  It's not restricting at all anymore... Steam and iTunes both use it....

reddog00
reddog00

Too little...TOO LATE!  I will never support M$ consoles even if they give one to me.  They had the gall to even do something like this in the first place.  Trying to shove this stuff down gamer's throats.  Yeah M$...I got something I will shove down your throat.  Too little...TOO LATE!!!

Never getting a dime from me no matter what you do because I received faulty hardware 4 times and got piss poor rotten Customer Service (or more like Customer Nightmare) for the entire life of the system.

Eat my shorts M$!  (The stained and crusty ones)

dimboosh
dimboosh

I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY WAS INVESTED IN GAMESTOP STOCKS BY MICROSOFT INSIDERS BEFORE RELEASING THIS NEWS?!?!?!?!?

Armyboy5
Armyboy5

As a boxing fan, this feels like Xone got knocked down and now got back up, but the fifteenth round is close

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

Although this is great news and has received rapturous applause, I cant help but feel a little deflated at the fact that some of the most unique featuresets are being removed as a result.

But ultimately if it puts the Xbox One in a much stronger position then it can only be a positive I guess.

lubbalots
lubbalots

because of you gamer nitwits, now we all have to buy our own games whereas with the previous policy, we can buy and share with friends and they can share with us. Tons of games we all could have played for free! Because of you dimwits, my family would now have to log into my account to play games.

bmart970
bmart970

That's cool, they will get my money at some point I bet.

zephyrx50
zephyrx50

Mattrick just looks stupid because at first he didn't care and was saying everyone without internet can just play the 360.  Now that people have called him and Microsoft out on it and all of the policies they said were required and necessary they look like idiots.  They could have avoided all of the negative PR and just not have done it in the first place.  They must have had people telling them that their plans would piss off a lot of people.

Secret360
Secret360

people still complaining. Am still getting both consoles and like in the previous gen am sure i will love my xbox more than my PS. Its going to be difficult for sony even in the new gen especially that xbox no longer has region restrictions i don't have to care about were i get my games from. And yes they changed there minds because we complained isn't that what we wanted but people are still bitching.

Kreativity
Kreativity

WOO, the competition is back on!

vendetta1010
vendetta1010

@clarkydm nintendo and xbox have one good game each and thats killer instinct (xbox500$) and super smash bros 299$. soooooo............ yeah  

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

@clarkydm Nintendo destroyed them both with the Wii and the Wii U has a completely different target audience. It's negative drivel (not dribble, lol) that got Microsoft to change their shit policies.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@Jearoon 

The choice is simple: Microsoft. Why pay less when you can pay more?

I'm looking forward to the "one-time 'Online' connection needed" every time I install a new game. Some people don't trust MS but I do. I know they can be trusted.

I'm just hoping they'll bring back the Family Center and be able to put 10 family member on my personal list. It would've been great playing all those time-limited demos and having the opportunity to buy their games after a little while.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@gouldjw 

And the question is: a one-time "online" set-up for what exactly? Download patches? no problem. Register the serial number in some fashion? another story...

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@sb999 

DRM was bad before and now it's good? You do realize that DRM are there to restrict YOUR rights? It was then and so it is now....

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

@sb999 Steam gives you the option to play offline as well.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@thenephariouson

Like the family center and the 10 members on your list?

Family Center Microsoft way:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/21/4451172/xbox-engineer-disappointed-pastebin-note-rumored-features

"However, the engineer reveals that Family Sharing would only let family members access a "demo mode" of the game for between 15 mins and 45 mins, and in some cases an hour. After that time, the shared game would cease and a user would be forwarded to a marketplace to purchase the full game."

This is what MS stands for, nothing else. And then they wonder why they get kicked in the face.

MS motto: Deal with it!...

DW_DW
DW_DW

@bmart970 They will get my money once the Kinect requirement is dropped.  Sony already has my money.

philMcCrevis
philMcCrevis

@zephyrx50 damn str8...dude is a str8 up piece of shit and so is everyone on this decision.  well stated

philMcCrevis
philMcCrevis

@Secret360 your an idiot...go buy the xbox fool.  maybe sony will drop the gaming hardware next gen thanks to morons like you and we'll be STUCK with these policies then.  flipping idiot

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@Snaptrap @sb999 

Steam is good only for 2 things: to buy games on the cheap, to have them patched on the fly. Nothing more.

Like MS wanted to do: you cannot buy or sell used ones. You cannot borrow, lend or rent any. And, to top it all, you're dependant on servers that can disappear tomorrow if, for some reason, who owns them goes bankrupt, grows tired of them, doesn't think he makes enough profit from them, if publishers refuses to put their game there, and so on...

Nah, I won't happen won't it? Nothing happens until it does.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@Snaptrap @SpicaAntares 

I`m not so sure and I`ll tell you why. At Steam 2 types of games coexisted: the very old ones you can get for pennies, and the new (and not so new) close to, if not, full-price.

But publishers are not crazy and the idea of selling their new toy and giving a big share of profits to Steam for no good reasons doesn`t appeal to them anymore. Most of them are selling those games in their own stores now, at least those who attracts the most customers (Battlefield, for instance).

What will happen if the trend goes on and the only things you find on Steam are antiquities or smaller creations done in the shed of lone programmers?

Going digital means bypassing the retailers but also means bypassing Steam the day they'll want to. And if I was working at one of the 3 musketeers (EA, Ubi, Acti) I'd be asking myself: why not remove everything from Steam including antiquities?

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

@SpicaAntares I'm referring to the publishers themselves, not Steam. Steam will not likely fold anytime soon.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@Snaptrap @SpicaAntares 

Chances are they won't. Words come and go but the discs stays.

If Steam goes belly-up for some reason the same reasons will apply to whoever thinks of recuperating the company.

How many games do you have that needed an online check and doesn't anymore?

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

@SpicaAntares Chances are they'll be made to be played offline if the publisher does go bankrupt but it's more than likely the properties of those games will be picked up by another publisher.

hordaak
hordaak

@Secret360 @philMcCrevis ha ha. man, the xb1 outclasses the ps4 in so many ways. People complained about the compact disc over tapes back in the day...