GS News - Hearthstone Gender Controversy; CliffyB Returning To Games?

Gears of War dev CliffyB is hyping an announcement, we say goodbye to Airtight Games, and everything you need to know about yesterday’s eSports drama!

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zerohournow
zerohournow

So...they had men only and women only, now they have an all gender and women only....okay, glad they sorted out that sexism part....

jadaski1
jadaski1

I can see why normal sports segregate the sexes, since women are at a genetic disadvantage in athletics, but why segregate in e-sports?

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

What or who is it that makes you tune in. . .

I had a conversation with Eve Torres, the former WWE Diva, before she became a WWE superstar.  I told her it doesn't matter if you're male or female, it's who do you want to see.  What's the impetus that causes you to watch.   We talked about women's tennis.  I told her it's the women, or certain women is what causes me to tune it not the men.  Monica Selles said that men should play less and women should get paid the same as men.  I disagree.  It doesn't matter if the women play less if it's the women that cause people to tune in and spend more time watching.  The same with professional wrestling.  It doesn't matter if the guys are killing each other, it's the women that make me want to watch, e.g. G.L.O.W. (Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling) or the Divas in the WWE.

SaintsRowLA
SaintsRowLA

"They Had To Make The Tournament Male Only Because the South Korean Tournament is Male Only". . . 

All rules are created by man/women and they can be changed.  In South Korea it might be all male, but in the rest of the world is perfectly okay for women to participate.  I bet many women will run circles over many men too.


It doesn't matter if your male of female.  The only thing that matters is if you can do the job.   If someone can do the job better than anyone else, what difference does it make if it's a woman?


A couple women ran circles around me playing Split/Second on-line a few years ago.  I thought that was very attractive.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

We have gender specific divisions in physical sports because it is PHYSICAL. Men are genetically stronger and faster than women so there is a male advantage over women in most physical sports.

But where does physical attributes come into sitting at a desk with a keyboard or controller? Just because South Korea only has men in their games just means that some of their men will get their ass wooped by some of our women.

D0BR0
D0BR0

let's just tone it down here about all this gender stuff.  yeah there will be haters on both sides. but it's equal, period. now let's all stop talking about it and have fun lol

jackrichtaylor
jackrichtaylor

On the subject of gender and that tournament: They'll figure it out eventually. At the local ChargerCon Gaming Expo, we had all kinds of tournaments and all kinds of gamers present and able to compete with each other equally. A lot of smack talk was said, a lot of fun was had, and more than a few of us got together later and drank to a good day of tournies. While I was there, I watched a dude get beaten out by his ex-gf at the semi-finals for Hearthstone, watched a little girl and her brother balk when their dad wanted to try speedrunning a copy of the Original Mike Tyson's Punch Out, and this one chick had to be one of the best Junglers I had ever seen at LoL (She played Xin) and she set up the most perfect gank with their Sona and Quadra killed the other team, after she routed three of them into Sona's dance ulti. Kept the fear of God in them the rest of the match, and still wiped up on em.

All that to say this: We did it at a college-con, they can do it at a pro thing in Finland. Chicks play games at tournies with dudes, get over it.

smgriff
smgriff

They back-tracked on their policies after an outcry, which is a good move, but they shifted the inequality to the other side of the table. Favoring a gender, regardless of gender, is not fair. It seems goofy to me that that's seen as just.

Maj_Wood
Maj_Wood

Gender divide in 2014 for the sake of sanity I think in the end the female gender is as strong as us guys if not stronger they got to give birth and I doubt that's just a cake walk!


Asharel
Asharel

doesn't make sense at all, you see men and women mixed up at the poker table for instance, this is just a poorly thought out decision...

DarkLord
DarkLord

Well it sucks about Airtight Games. It's another good studio shut down.

As for the gender controversy, the easiest fix would be (if for some reason they need to keep the genders separate) to have the Male Champion go head-to-head with the Female Champion for Grand Champion status! Like everything else was just the playoffs to get the two best in the ring.

ArchoNils2
ArchoNils2

I really don't get that huuuge ccontroversy from this esport case, especially with the hugest sport event, the world cup, being male only right now. Sure they want to be looked at like normal sports and take the way it works, even if it is stupid in a esports enviroment (just as it is stupid in racing). But really, to call them sexist is not okay since I am pretty sure noone there decided that to hurt women.

Also those Murdered guys going bunkrupt: i really don't care, they haven't made a single good game and I still regret buying this horrible Murdered game.

Devils-DIVISION
Devils-DIVISION

There's no conclusive evidence that player gender makes no difference in gaming. It could very well be that the female brain processes video game input better than the male brain, or vice versa. Just as we see that the female brain is tuned to better process language and fine motor skills (since both sides of the brain show activity, whereas the male brain shows activity in only one side)). The male brain is also tuned better for math and geometry and that skill develops earlier in males at a higher achievement.

Now we all know why the Olympics and sport is segregated. Take weightlifting for instance, men don't have an unfair advantage over their female partners, but a natural advantage. Would it be fair to allow women to compete with men in such a sport?

Taking my first example into account, and if gaming is to be considered a sport, would it be fair to desegregate the sport if one gender had a cognitive advantage over the other?

But if you asked me, I don't think gaming is or should be a sport, and thus should not be segregated. Though I wonder if desegregating this so called "esport" is asking for more than one is prepared to chew if either had a natural advantage over the other--unless this is some hippy notion of "playing together".

Sorry for any typos (I'm mobile).

Fatalv
Fatalv

So let me get this straight… they went from having a men's bracket and a women's bracket and now they have a men & women bracket and then a women only bracket?


Somehow in all the bitching about 'equality' this doesn't make much sense

Gencic
Gencic

Today's genders should be (in no particular order):


Genetic Male, Genetic Female, Transgendered Male, Transgendered Female and Gamer (leave the best for last I always say).

dmblum1799
dmblum1799

Esports is an oxymoron but of course gender doesn't matter. Size and strength don't matter, so the analogy is stupid. You'll often see a bunch of 120 pound Korean guys winning.


Twitter is a disease, a disease of narcissism. That guy is just self-promoting.

Sword-Demon
Sword-Demon

I don't understand why they want this international acceptance anyway. What do we gain by labeling gaming as a sport? I can't really think of anything.


Gaming is unique; we shouldn't be trying to conform to something that doesn't represent us.


And you want to know how to promote women in gaming? You let them play with the big boys on equal ground, not by setting up a separate tournament. Seeing women who can hold their own against and beat men is the only way it'll ever sink in that we're all gamers.

racho34
racho34

How to create a problem out of nothing. Player gender makes no difference in videogames.

n0xinab0x
n0xinab0x

Jess, stop using the cookie cutter intro. We all know it's you reporting the news, we all know what day it is and we all know where in the hell we are watching the news. Goddamn doesn't GS have any creativity? 

ahpuck
ahpuck

Let me guess, CliffyB is making another FPS.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

In REAL sports, the genders are divided because of the obvious physical advantages men have over women.  Men are simply bigger and stronger than women could ever be.


In non-sports trying to look like sports, gender division is usually a sign that the organizers are more than a bit chauvinistic.  There are no mental differences between the two genders, and there's very little, if any, physical exertion involved in playing video games, or bowling, or shuffleboard or whatever non-sport we're talking about.  This was a simple case of insensitivity, and if I were a member of the competitive gaming scene, I'd boycott this event just out of principle.

homelessgamer
homelessgamer

Please no more studios getting closed, not good. Freaks me out only EA and Ubisoft will be standing one day.

Tomorrow is my birthday July 4. No joke. Shout out would be cool!

yankblan
yankblan

Was thinking the same thing. Here (Canada) women have their exclusive clubs and everybody is fine with that. BUT if a club or a golf course wants to be male only, out come the protests and court filings and al. There is (generally) good feminism, and there is (violent minority) bad feminism.

I think this here course of action is positive sexism at its worst.

halfacentaur
halfacentaur

@Dannystaples14 Women are undeniably different than men psychologically. Inferior/Superior when it comes to games? Who's to say? But I've never looked up theory crafting written by a woman.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@Maj_Wood Yeah yeah child birth is painful. Physically men are not equal to women it is genetics and it is how we have evolved.

But in pretty much every other aspect of life they are equal.

Devils-DIVISION
Devils-DIVISION

Fight for equality is rarely about equality, it usually comes across as a struggle for superiority.

Feminism is an oddball, it raises awareness for issues that may otherwise be overlooked, but on the other hand it self-reinforces the idea that the issue of gender inequality is solvable by focusing solely on the issues of one of them--that'a a failure.

jackrichtaylor
jackrichtaylor

@Gencic I'm going to give you a +1 on behalf of all of my genderqueer friends, for saying that. However, on behalf of myself, for God's sake don't give them another status to identify as! XD I can just imagine what kind of pronouns I'd have to start referring to them as. 
Peace

pygmy67
pygmy67

@n0xinab0x Hey man, cut it out. A lot of times her intro is the best part of my day (and if you're thinking "lame", wait 'till u become an adult and work 17 hours a day with boring shite. It's really nice to have a lovely voice greeting you and reminding time passes.

tempertress
tempertress moderator staff

@n0xinab0x Welp, I can't assume the same people are watching everyday. 1. It's courteous to introduce yourself 2. It's the news show where's it's customary to tell you the date 3. It's also courteous to introduce the program.


I have less than 30 minutes every day to write this show so it's really not my priority to pull it out of the bag in the intro and make sure you get your funnies when I write five of these scripts every week.


Thanks.

nychd
nychd

@n0xinab0x 

Her intro is based on common sense!

She announces herself to people who don't live on the site 24/7.

She says what day it is so people watching this weeks from now, for the first time, know when this information was released.

She announces the site because many people come to sites from links and it's good idea to announce which site is giving you all these tidbits so you'll come back on your own.


Shadowdanc3r
Shadowdanc3r

@ahpuck  I don't think any of his last games were FPSs.  Whatever it is, if it's coming to consoles, he better not choose detail over frame rate again.

The_evil_Nemesi
The_evil_Nemesi

@YukoAsho There are mental differences between the two genders! I'm not talking about one being smarter than the other, but men and women do notprocess information the same. I'm not saying e-sports should divide based on genre, but still.

rsj2
rsj2

@YukoAsho I agree, but bridge, poker and chess all have gender-exclusive tournaments and it's been that way for ages.  Apparently the reasoning is that having separate divisions encourages women to participate.  I don't understand why that would be (why is playing with men such a turn-off?!), but at least it's well-intentioned.  

hystavito
hystavito

@homelessgamer Happy birthday, and also happy 4th of You-Lie.  And if you don't know what that means, I am not calling you liar :).

luert
luert

@halfacentaur @Dannystaples14 it's not about being superior or inferior it also depends on tastes, there are things wich on average many males like to do and very few females don't and that's why this happens, it is right to have equality but it's also clear that when the majority is male the few females playing might not be as good as the male, it's about what you like and being dedicated to it, the same can be said the other way, there are things wich many female do and very few male do, wich means that by average it'll be easier to have females being better than males at it, since it's more natural to them, this always following an average idea not meant for a single person

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@tempertress @n0xinab0x hey jess i wish to apologize for a comment i made you may not have read but if you did well i'm sorry if you took offense.  it is also to placate one of my GS buddies who took umbrage to the comment so if you accept my apology i would be grateful :) 

PS i love GS news  

Shadowdanc3r
Shadowdanc3r

@tempertress  "I think I can say that that one's wrapped up pretty nicely."  Um...aren't men banned from female only tourneys while women can now participate in ones that were male only?  At least that's what I got from the comment section.

jmsk248
jmsk248

@rsj2 OP said "real sports" not bridge, poker and chess.Those are games. Like video games are games and not real sports.

homelessgamer
homelessgamer

Finally reached the top of the mountain, and all we see is fog.

riotinto876
riotinto876

@Shadowdanc3r Yes, men are banned from female only divisions, but hey, it's discriminating against men, so it's fine.

rsj2
rsj2

That was my point mate, I was offering an explanation as to why gender-exclusive events happen in other games. Again, I don't support such divisions or agree with the reasoning behind them, but I thought it'd be helpful to note that they existed way before e-sports.

homelessgamer
homelessgamer

Then we must be brothers from another mother lol.