GS News - Flappy Bird Drama + Xbox One’s 1080p difficulties explained!

Watch Dogs on Wii U is delayed, we catch up on the Flappy Bird drama, and learn why the PS4 can output better resolutions than the Xbox One!

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orthodox1976
orthodox1976

The Xbone's embedded SRAM isn't big enough to output 1080p? What kind of an oversight is that? LOL


C'mon, M$...

geraldsanduski
geraldsanduski

coming from a shitty dev that argument doesnt sound that credible 

kkslammer
kkslammer

lol Xbox one... my pc already dose 4k plus I can record my band with it, do homework, pretty much run my whole life with it... 

VolcanoMan001
VolcanoMan001

All this talk about Xbox One vs. PS4 hardware and "catching up" is a moot point -- with the exception of EXCLUSIVE titles (of course), the software developers will always make the game for the hardware which is the lowest common denominator and then port it over to the other console. Very little extra power is utilized when they do these multi-platform ports, other than the usual slightly higher frame rates.


I am not defending anything, just saying that if people expect some huge difference in games throughout this new generation then you are going to be disappointed.

crymore_noob
crymore_noob

I don't get it. If you really want 1080p, then go for a decent PC with X-box one controller. There may be a few games you would miss, but you still can play games only for PC like WoW.. Now I don't even play games @1080p.. 1440p looks a lot better.

bpthomas85
bpthomas85

side note: it took 12 hours to get that flappy bird take through the 10th pipe.

coaltango
coaltango

dont think Xbone will catch up


Plus not gonna play watchdogs on Wii U gonna get the PC version

Coseniath
Coseniath

30% less Cores and 250% less memory bandwith in the GPU is the name of Xbox's problem. If they at least used GDDR5 memory the 30% less cores wouldn't be such a problem by removing a few eyecandy settings to run at 1080p like PS4.

janembadbz
janembadbz

Pic of Jess doing something and having fun >>>> Jess posing for a shot

jflkdjs
jflkdjs

Like the new Real pic of You, Jess :)

cws3e
cws3e

Somewhat unrelated to this video but the resolution conversations have gotten as a ridiculous as the megapixel conversations for cameras.  Anybody who thinks citing a single number is the be all and end all of how good something looks is misinformed and willfully ignorant.

fadersdream
fadersdream

"let me know if you're a Nintendo fan"

Silly @Jess, you know they will, they let you know by the droves.

buying1999
buying1999

First I'd like to say that Jess is awesome and very very sexy. 

Now onto gaming stuff. Well I don't care how much you tweek, or update sdk's, that's not going to change the fact that the PS4 is vastly S U P E R I O R  to the bone. GDDR5 (PS4) vs DDR3 (bone), 1.8 teraflops GPU (PS4) vs 1.3 teraflops GPU (bone). Face it!!!! The over priced, underpowered, 1980's VCR looking, set top box, NSA box, gaming machine wanna be, bone just doesn't have the juice to hang with the big dog on the block...PS4...BANG!!!!!!!!!

dreamreaver721
dreamreaver721

As XO development tries to catch up, the gap will be widening by the intense and much easier PS4 development. Can the gap really be closed then? It's not like the PS4 is standing still and is at the max of its development cycle. The gap has been created and will continue to be there as long as the PS4 isn't maxed out. I mean, that's simple logic. Once you start this far behind, there really isn't much catching up unless the other party stops altogether, or at least slows down, which the PS4 won't. Look at last gen. PS3 ended up doing so well mostly because of Blu-ray, but it never really "caught up" to the 360's easy development model and support. It's not like Sony changed the architecture of the Cell processor to make it easier to develop for, developers simply learned how to work around it (well, some, sorry Capcom). These are just the facts. Microsoft admittedly made a console that is a media hub, and that came with a lot of extra baggage. That's fine, great, but stop backpedaling about it. Try to close the gap if you can, but who cares? There's still a ton of XOs being sold to people who complain and moan about how big Microsoft is and how terrible their desktop operating systems are...makes perfect sense. In the end, many people will own both, and the games that come out for both will have flamers posting about the minute differences...again, who cares? This is how the game industry has gone on since gaming was developed. No publisher or developer or hardware platform has a spotless record. None. Get over it.

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

Ok so the difference is not that great if your a xbox one fan enjoy the game screw it ya know?


That being said if both systems are optimized then that would included using the ram the best way possible. Um considering that the Xbox is a multi entertainment center that means to be quick and switch instantly means there should be a cache for all that info including processes to continue doing whatever seamlessly allowing you to switch back and forth. People that takes ram and PS4 doesn't do it so there's is free while Xbox is bogged down to do things other than focus on gaming.


The signs all point to things getting worse when optimized for Xbox One not better..

captainepicness
captainepicness

Personally, I'm not a resolution guy, if a console can pull of a great game that's all that matters to me.If a game can pull off a game with a great story and great gameplay, its even better when the two are balanced, for me the only series that does this good is the walking dead, anyone else got an example like this?

Vojtass
Vojtass

@Jess

0:58 - something distracts you again. What is it?

EmericaCky2K
EmericaCky2K

@VolcanoMan001  But the PS4 versions of current multi-platform games run at a higher resolution and better frame rate...so you're wrong.

EmericaCky2K
EmericaCky2K

@crymore_noob  Just because someone's PC can run 1440p doesn't mean you can. Your PC can't run 1440p. You don't even have a 4k monitor. Stop lying to yourself. 

rob9999991
rob9999991

@Coseniath Three months into it and you make a call? Well, I got news for you. X1 will catch up. How do I know? From the connections I kept after I left the gamming industry. Will X1 ever be as powerful as the PS4..No. But it doesn't need to be. It will take more laborious programing but the X1 will be able to do 1080p at 30 to 60fps. If you want to be a fan boy fine, but at least know what you are talking about first.

chippiez
chippiez

@buying1999  Yep... Sony writes excellent drivers and APIs.  I fully expect them to mature so much more significantly than the drivers and stuff created by the people who FUKING CREATED DX, Made x86-x64 mainstream and actually has cash to focus on R&D and acquisitions.  So enjoy your eraser station.  Still enjoying Knack and Killzone?  When do you guys get any games?

rob9999991
rob9999991

@buying1999 Funny how Sony fanboys keep saying how underpowered the X1 is yet never bash on the games... Funny how they are always on here bashing the X1 instead of playing the boring games on the PS4... Ok buying1999... I left the gamming industry a few years ago, but the contacts I still talk to stated pretty much the same thing... That after a larger learning curve compared to the PS4 and a little more time, games will be running on the X1 at native 1080p at 30 to 60 fps...  Does that mean the X1 will be more powerful than the PS4? No. It doesn't have to be. The system will be able to handle high end games. Why on earth does that bother you? Are you that insecure with your purchase of a video game system? Are you twelve years old or something? Also, when it comes right down to it, it is all about the games and as I pointed out above, right now PS4 really doesn't have much to brag about...Will they? Sure, but so will X1... My advice... Grow up a little. Face it...you need to. I own the Xone because it will simply have more games that I want for it. The other features are amazing. Stop being a fan boy troll and try it out! Does this mean I will be a loyal troll and not get a PS4 when more (and better) games come out? Of course not. Within a year or two I will proudly have both systems side by side playing every great game they come out with. A shame you will be missing out. At least you can come on here and troll away.

pyro1245
pyro1245

@buying1999  hmm never thought i'd hear you console types get so into hardware details. maybe you ought to build a computer and then you can really geek out about it ;)

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@buying1999  WoW 0.5 teraflops difference....that is like this much {holds hands about quarter of meter apart}.

dani_i89
dani_i89

@buying1999 Dirty fanboy. Ryse is the best looking game thus far. Xbox has the better games, so that little bit of extra power is irrelevant. It's taken Sony more than a decade to catch up with Xbox, so congratulations on having that LITTLE bit of extra power.

youre_a_sheep
youre_a_sheep

@buying1999 Sega Genesis was substantially less powerful than SNES, but its library of exclusives made that mostly irrelevant.  If Xbone is going to be mocked, it should be for exclusives that consist of "lots of shooters and Forza".  Plus the NSA stuff is spectacularly repellant and creepy; 160+GB of hard drive can't be used, but trust them, it's not to store any personal data captured by Kinect and the built in mic.

at129907
at129907

@buying1999  But the bone has Kinect...





Oh wait Kinect is stupid, so it looks you're right!

rob9999991
rob9999991

@dreamreaver721 Not quite... Maybe with first party games but with multi pat games, which is most of them, the games will be brought to the lowest common denominator which will be the X1 (maybe Wiiu, but that is doubtful)


Companies developing on multi platforms won't spend much more time on a system to squeeze a few more bells and whistles out of it. Not if it will take away from profit. And when the developer states programmers will catch up on X1 he is merely stating that they will learn the system better because they pretty much have to, to keep games on par. Since the PS4 is already user friendly some developers may not take as much time to tweak it...since they really don't have to in the first place. Again, that won't be the case for their first party lineup.

UNCStriker88
UNCStriker88

@Kinguard73 actually you are just clueless like many others, the system actually allows you to play multiple games at once, while also switching to tv when waiting to join a game, really...beat that with your upgraded PS3, new features are actual innovation.  this statement just reinforces the fact that initial developers are just lazy

zedetach
zedetach

@rob9999991 @Coseniath  its very much possible but only time will tell if the majority of devs are willing to go that extra mile. 

Coseniath
Coseniath

@rob9999991 @CoseniathOh really? Can you tell me why to make laborious programing for X1 only and not for PS4 too since they share the same architecture? Read the facts and stop being a fanboi. If you knew about hardware at all you would understand how hard the GDDR5 vs DDR3 hits X1's GPU. I guess you don't... 

Oh and in order to expand your knowledge about people. I don't have either PS4 nor X1. 

I am using a PC and learning for 15 years. Thats why I know a few things more when it comes to hardware...

I didn't had any new console since SNES. So who is the fanboi here?

gycjf
gycjf

@rob9999991 @Coseniath "It will take more laborious programing but the X1 will be able to do 1080p at 30 to 60fps." But wouldn't that raise developing cost? I don't know how much of time/money they need to invest to get the same result out of XboxOne to match PS4. One thing we all learned last generation is that developers/publishers don't like investing too much effort to just make everything even which will just cost them money. That's why a lot of 3rd party games didn't perform as well on PS3 as on Xbox360, even though it was possible to get more out of PS3 if they take more time and effort.

Mattstar_beret
Mattstar_beret

@pyro1245 @buying1999 Ha ha ha Pyro, its amazing isn't it... I don't normally post on the GS forum, but the foaming rabid console gamers are making me laugh.  I love the PC forums, everyone gets complimented on the PC specs in the community and its much friendlier place to be!

rob9999991
rob9999991

@youre_a_sheep @buying1999 What are you talking about? For one if you have a computer or a cell phone the NSA is watching you if they really want... Also, MS has already stated it isn't happy with the NSA poking around. I think you need more tin foil for that hat of yours.

Mattstar_beret
Mattstar_beret

@at129907 @buying1999 PS4 gamers club, keep talking to yourself boys LOL.. I have a gaming PC with 2 x Titan GTX.  Now we are talking 9 teraflops.  That's processing power. 


Lets talk games for a second, is there a great line up of PS4 games, that will definitely make me want to buy one.  I'd get a XBone for Halo and Forza.. Titan Fall Ill get for my PC, but I haven't seen anything really exciting that makes me want to buy a PS4... well except the hardware specification sheet the fan boys keep flashing around, which is totally pointless if you don't have good 1st party titles. 


Come on sell to me?

rob9999991
rob9999991

@exiled_paladin @dreamreaver721 Neither system will last eight years no matter what Sony and MS has stated. Both systems are good but insanely underpowered in regard to 4K gaming. 4K is already showing up on PC and 4K TV's will be affordable for the average consumer in roughly two or three years. This new gen of systems will last 5 years..6 at the absolute most. WiiU failing may turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Nintendo seeing they can now release a true 4K gamming system at a decent price in 2 to 3 years.

youre_a_sheep
youre_a_sheep

@exiled_paladin @dreamreaver721LOL  Yeah because unlike every single generation of video game hardware, this time around everyone knows exactly what they're doing right out of the gate and cannot possibly get more out of the system. SMH

Kinguard73
Kinguard73

@UNCStriker88 @Kinguard73 I'm clueless. Got it. The basic of ram you don't grasp but I'm clueless as you went off on a tangent of features which supports my theory. Good job.

I seen far better explanations from people who actually owns and uses an Xbox One.

I seriously doubt you read many articles about either system.

Stop making Xbox fans look stupid and go post something on the Wii U boards.


It's like he hands people a stick to beat him with it...

zedetach
zedetach

@franken_stein  we din't have last gen consoles running at significantly lower res than their rivals (let's count nintendo out).

Coseniath
Coseniath

@franken_steinCrysis 3, Farcry 3, Crysis 2 are the first titles that come to my mind that look better on XBOX 360 than PS3. 


Gamespot also was comparing a lot of titles and you could see that XBOX360 games generally looked better. 


Even if you push X1 performance to its limits you will hit the performance wall from the memory that the GPU needs (VRAM). Which in case of an APU is shared with the system memory. 


A good example to make you understand how chaotic is the differense of the memory in GPU's performance take the example of GTX650 ti. It had a lot of cores and it would be a great card but it was heavy limited by low memory bandwith. Nvidia releasing GTX650ti boost and the major differense was the memory bandwith. The performance result? Check yourself: http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Boost/images/perfrel_1920.gif +36% more performance than GTX650ti. 


I choose to give you the example of GTX650ti boost cause it has around the same performance as PS4's GPU. If Sony would do the same by choosing lower memory bandwith PS4 would took the same performance hit like X1. 


And as I said before everything Sony or Microsoft would do in a programming level would benefit both since they share the same CPU and GPU architecture.

franken_stein
franken_stein

@Coseniath @rob9999991 It is all bs anyways, numbers on paper don't always translate to a better product. The Xbox 360's GPU on paper is better than the PS3's, Do games now on those consoles look better on the 360??? No. These games on the new consoles are so close in a A/B test we would all be wrong in identifying which is which 50% to 60% of the time. We need to push to have the PS4 and the XB1 A/B tested by volunteers and see what the results are. I think you'd be surprised.

arsy130
arsy130

@Mattstar_beret @at129907 @buying1999  not everyone has 2 grand to spend on just video cards, get the hell out of here this is a console conversation not pc, and you dont need that much processing power to run any pc game on max settings, you just wasted too much money, how bright are you ?

rob9999991
rob9999991

@Mattstar_beret @at129907@buying1999 Mattstar..Trying to tell 12 year old fanboys it all comes down to the games just doesn't work... For some reason they seem to think the PS4 is powerful... I guess by console standards it is... But they don't realize that both the PS4 and X1 have much more in common than they think... Both are 3 year old tech... Not a bad thing. I own the X! and enjoy it. But I do know neither system is a powerhouse. The PS4 has the power edge, but not to the extent as many of these fan boys think... You have a sweet PC rig that would run circles around these systems, but you hit on one key factor... It won't be playing some of the games you really want. Again, it will always come down to what you want to play.

Mattstar_beret
Mattstar_beret

@youre_a_sheep @exiled_paladin@dreamreaver721 Yes exiled paladin is correct, and actually in terms of the x86 platform the consoles are about 2 generations back in terms of real performance.  So digest that for a bit. SMH

rob9999991
rob9999991

@Kinguard73 @UNCStriker88 Maybe, but you are also making unfounded assumptions. I asked these questions to engineers I used to work with when I was in the gamming industry... None of them are worried about the X1... They aren't worried about the PS4 either. When it comes right down to it the PS4 is a bit more powerful. However the X1 is not so underpowered it won't be able to handle native 1080p with 30/60 fps on future releases. That's basically what I got out of my conversations with them.. PS4/less growing pains... X1/more growing pains. That's it in a nutshell.