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2000mustanggt
2000mustanggt

Wow Really. I can tell you why people are getting mad at call of duty and or killing people. It is because parents are not doing their dutys. Kids playing a M rated game. If I caught my kids playing something they are not suppose to would get spanked.

RickPhoenix
RickPhoenix

Way to be revolutionary Rockstar, ALL these gta games since 2001 and NO female leads. Hell at least in Saints Row I can get a sex change for my lead character when I get bored or when my gf and her friends stop by want to play as a girl. Strong female leads(like in Tomb Raider for instance)encourage more girls to take up gaming which is a cool thing.

DeathProofDelta
DeathProofDelta

I'm sure It wasn't long ago when apple said they wouldn't use flash any more.

dcaseng
dcaseng

GTA will eventually have a female protagonist.

wasXB360nowPS4
wasXB360nowPS4

This new GS News chick is nowhere near as hot as the other one.  I hope she comes back soon.

hunterbarnett
hunterbarnett

I think this is a tough line to walk.  I think artist should be able to tell the stories they want to tell.  I also think society is bettered by having a diversity of artists and stories.  I don't think it's reasonable to tell Rockstar to include women, or that they should have to.  I think people who are upset about this shouldn't buy the game.

Vote with your wallet, support artists who tell stories that resonate with you. 

genjuroT
genjuroT

North Hollywood bank robbery. Let me know if you think women could do that and then you can make a GTA about women robbing banks instead of men. Nuff said.

crix01
crix01

A lot of comments on how "women really are" and why they are not fited to criminal activity. Makes me think a lot of you doesn't really know too much women. And no, porno actresess or stripers don't count beacuse they are acting for money. Btw "agressive" is not the same as "masculine".

Diablo-B
Diablo-B

R* is a bunch sexist pigs. 

"Oh we can't have any female leads. Why? Cause our game is about men."

Either they aren't smart enough to include a female character to hold in juxtaposition to the 3 guys or they think we are stupid 

Saketume
Saketume

I have to watch apple commercials in the gaming news now.

For shame

Guess it's time to revive this:

watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4

IndestrucubleR
IndestrucubleR

holy shit, if a game doesent want to have female characters in it then that's perfectly fine. Rockstar isent going to change their game to include a female lead when its already been built around male leads. they are not being sexist.

Lambchopzin
Lambchopzin

GTA V doesn't have a female character because Rockstar didn't think it made sense to have one for their game. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't feel like your game, as a developer, would benefit from adding a female character you shouldn't force it. Chances are that would hurt the quality anyways.

I hope this doesn't turn into the next internet war between the evil patriarchy and feminazis. That would be a shame.

Also, iPhones are shit.

ezfaun
ezfaun

Ok reason GTA does not have female protagonists is because society views females as the gentle gender. Men however are viewed as more aggressive and can vary a lot more between good and bad. That aggression is in our male DNA, can't deny that. However women can also show aggression but their aggression is more likely linked to their sense of justice or affection.

That is why we always see female protagonists being depicted as the "hero" rather than the "villain". Because that is how society sees fit.

Not a rant, just my thoughts on a psychological standpoint. Enjoy dem o's o-may

WolfCronje
WolfCronje

Well, I consider the aggression against the snowman very bad for children

Cristero
Cristero

GTA V won't feature female characters. So what? I really don't think there should be a debate about this. Some games have them and some others don't. It would be equally senseless to debate about Tomb Raider not having a male Laro Crofto. It's a matter of game concepts, not of gender discrimination, I think.

wgerardi
wgerardi

My iMac is going to be sweating hard once it see's me installing BF4. (bootcamp)

Gojomez
Gojomez

I might get me an Iphone


Jacanuk
Jacanuk

Iphone 5s - talk about a phone that is everything Steve Jobs hated and would have shot down faster than you can say Apple Apple in my pants.

Different colours, plastic casing and not that much of a improvement over the 5...

Oh, Apple how low can you go.


Sergeant_
Sergeant_

@2000mustanggt As much as I hate Call of Duty, its not the fact of ignorant parents allowing kids to play games that are the problem, I played GTA, Driver, Duke Nukem, Quake all when I was a kid..and I turned out fine. If you're kids can't decipher the difference between reality and virtual reality the kid has more problems than their parents.

ezfaun
ezfaun

@dcaseng  It's gonna be hard to make a likeable female criminal protagonist that's badass. One example is Ellie from the last of us. She's badass, likeable, but she's not a "villain" character. More a hero. It's really hard to make a likeable female gangsta bank robber that's also badass as hell. Unless she's a hero character. But that ain't rockstar's style.

AqueousBoy
AqueousBoy

@hunterbarnett I absolutely agree.  Artists should have the freedom to tell the stories they want.  That said, maybe they need to challenge themselves by creating a female protagonist.  I'm the kind of guy who normally plays male characters in a game when given a choice (unless I can otherwise get an achievement) but I'd happily tackle playing as a woman in the GTA universe.

Maybe next time Rockstar will try something different.  But even still, they have my money.

55584623
55584623

@hunterbarnett i agree.

it's also interest to notice how these protagonists don't represent men in a very positive way at all.

quite on the contrary, just by the trailers we can see how Trevor and Michael shows the many flaws we see on the male gender in modern life.

the egocentrism, the pride, the need for violence and so on...

ezfaun
ezfaun

@crix01  How should I put it.... It's not just aggression. GTA doesn't have female protagonists because you don't expect a female character to lets say, plan a heist on a military base. Lets say a man and a woman are desperate to earn easy money. Dude's gonna stick someone up or sell some powder. I don't wanna say what the girl's gonna do. She probably gonna take advantage of a man's strongest weakness. LUST. Look what happened to tiger woods, homays.

A desperate man and a desperate woman are different in a way but at the same time similar; they use the easiest advantage they have to make some moolah. Yea masculine is probably a better term rather than aggressive >_o

apnance
apnance

@crix01 There are two basic types of male sexism as far as I'm concerned.  The blatantly harmful kind and the apparently benign kind that views women as perfectly innocent and virtuous creatures.  Of course both types of sexism are harmful, however the latter form is much more insidious as it hides behind the superficial facade of celebrating women.  The truth is women can be just as good and just as awful as men.

LatinproX
LatinproX

@crix01 Women have been proven to have more `road rage` than men. Go figure, LOL!

felipe_k3
felipe_k3

@Diablo-B sexist pigs? you make me laugh. I don't remember video game companies were forced to do anything their fanbase wants, especially when you can have a female character online. Now go play the feminist somewhere else

TTLM87
TTLM87

@Diablo-B There is a strong possibility of DLC stories coming out featuring women.

Saketume
Saketume

@marcusceltic

I think you're right. It will probably be about some hooker treated badly who's out for revenge.

Then there will be a moral debate on how women are portrayed in videogames, again.

Goobshoeriot
Goobshoeriot

@D-Ripp I actually LOLed to that. haha good one +1.. watch out for haters/feminists

Cristero
Cristero

@joejoe270 LOL You're so funny! I think I'm gonna die of so much laughing at your amazing jokes!

2000mustanggt
2000mustanggt

@rgramboWell if the kids do wrong they need a spanking them. I belive thats why so many kids now days get into trouble. Also make them pick up hay at a farm will solve that problem also.

2000mustanggt
2000mustanggt

@Sergeant_ @2000mustanggt Yea but thats the problem. Parents get the games for the kids to get rid of them and dont look for the symptoms. Like my 3 year old nephew I lt hm play borderlands 2. Hes good at it bt was startingto show signs of unusual behaviorthenwe stoped him from playing. Itcomes down to the parents. I started out playing atari and I turnd out fine. I understand your view point. Its just another stupid excuse for congress to pass another stupid law or rule.

Lambchopzin
Lambchopzin

@ezfaun @dcaseng I would agree that it's harder but it's been done before. Either way I think it's a mistake to force the game to have a female protagonist just for the sake of having one. If you want to do it because that's the game you want to make go for it, but otherwise don't force it.

I have no idea how you feel about anime, but Black Lagoon is a show that is full of badass female criminals and they are all done fairy well I think. It's also a show that really doesn't feature any heroes, just varying degrees of villainy, including the protagonists.

crix01
crix01

@ezfaun @crix01 But that is what you expect. Why a woman can't plan a heist on a military base? You think the only way they have to get what they want is using their body? What if she's really ugly and men don't see her with lust? 

Lambchopzin
Lambchopzin

@felipe_k3 @Lambchopzin It's also full of wannabe alpha males who go apeshit whenever they feel threatened, rightly or not, that feminists are ruining their favorite games.

I'm not a fan of either side. Hard to have any sort of civil discourse when most vocal folks tend to fall into one extreme or the other.