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drfrendor
drfrendor

Dyrus is just a big teddybear. He made me cry..

CiTizenMaSSaKre
CiTizenMaSSaKre

Chaox job is PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THAT IS HOW HE MAKES (or made) A LIVING!! And he fucks THAT up?! Jesus I'd hate to see how he does in a real 9-5 job.

chrisjamesbisho
chrisjamesbisho

Dyrus is incredible.  He was the only individual on TSM who told Chaox how he felt about Chaox leaving.  That takes serious courage.  Moreover, he was emotionally available enough to cry, not only in front of his teammate, but before the entire world.  Dyrus, you're the silver lining in this difficult situation.  Keep doing you.  

csadhoo
csadhoo

The issue is not in game, but outside game. Chaox wasn't being responsible and taking risks for his own personal benefit. The issue with this is that a team is a team and Chaox wasn't seeing that. He didn't realize what he did was childish and could have a negative impact. Granted Regi and Chaox had issues but in the end I feel it was the best decision. One person can ultimately destroy a team. This isn't a game, this is their job. They have to put in the same effort otherwise the team will fail eventually. They need a player who will be dedicated to the job and is reliable. 

AjaxNeron
AjaxNeron

When Regi yelled at Chaox like 3 minutes in at their house, it sounded like he was crying. Was he??

RYUGAN_SAMURAI7
RYUGAN_SAMURAI7

Wow, they did Chaox dirty... I agree that he was in the wrong, but a couple weeks of wrong compared to the 3 years of great work doesn't deserve the shafting he got. That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've already hated on Regi before because he is inconsistent in game, but now I can tack on more hate due to his asshole attitude and fake ass personality. Usually if you can't look someone in the eye, it means your doing shady stuff. All that stuff he said at PAX Boston was all bs. The only person that has my respect on TSM is Dyrus. I honestly hope they lose season 3 now.

TasteyLife17
TasteyLife17

The whole way the situation was handled sucked I think that if Regi was man enough to jut bench him and tell him don't do it again would've been acceptable but no he had to just replace him and put each of the players in the hot seat and make them make a decision individually instead of a team doesn't show much leader like qualities

thissisnate
thissisnate

I think kicking Chaox was slightly personal. In a work situation there are always some kind of warning before the guillotine. Saying "that's messed up" is not a warning in any way. Benching Chaox would have been a great and realistic warning of telling him to pick his shit back up and he most likely would have bounced back and put that 110% in. Honestly for TSM to improve, they should sub each of the starters once and reflect on what is different, what they could improve, what they different playstyles they could implement, and be come better in general

LickMyNipplez
LickMyNipplez

What you Guys Dont understand is that This is not just a game :S, This is there Job, They Get Paid to play this and, Losing Tournaments e.c.t Deficits there pay. So What Chaox Did was out of order, And not to mention he didnt even apologize, Doesnt   matter how good you are you shouldnt be allowed to Mug of Any1 Like that, Especially Your own team.

XystLuna
XystLuna

Sadrus Makes me wanna cry D: He always so happy and then seeing him cry 

Sgtsausage123
Sgtsausage123

Imo Wildturtle played well in that tournement but didnt dyrus do the same? dyrus messed up a few times in games but they moved on but when Chaox does it they make this extreme move because Wildturtle played well in a few games Chaox on the other has experience and they never complained before about him farming more CS over harras

YOISUCK
YOISUCK

i want chaox back! TSM is never gonna be the same :(

cloud533
cloud533

I don't know if it is that where i live we have a culture where "touching" is somethng common as hugging and stuff, but from regi and xpecial it felt so cold, regi felt like some guy firing his workers rather than a bro that's been living with you for 2 years leaving probably forever, idk feels kinda weird that he says tsm is full of bros we're all friends and you give him that goodbye, same with xpecial, he didnt even look him in the eyes and was like yeah, aha, like someone leaving to the grocery store, i kinda understan regi as hes the owner and manager so he has to be cold, but coming from xpecial felt like he didnt even care.

ruben3k5
ruben3k5

I hope regi comes back and fucks tsm up in the ass

Grakiss
Grakiss

 Guys u may think that am talking about a lot of crap here but these are in my opinion the reasons why chaox got kicked.

1. Even in between games u could listen from the casters that chaox was underperforming they were talking about his positioning and stuff like that and these people know what they are talking about they didn’t say "chaox sucks" ofc he doesn’t but the fact that he cant reach that 120% of gameplay makes him weak in frond of the rest adc.

2. Chaox couldn’t communicate with regi it was obvious we all saw it even in video, imagine what is going behind the cameras

3. Chaox was constantly late in practice even in professional events witch that was the excuse in my opinion to kick him from the team

4. All the playes in TSM voted for this and the "yea... i like that.... but ... u know that is good..." way of talking seams to me more like they didn’t want to heart their friend (chaox) we are talking about 2 year friendship here, so i don’t think they got forced in voting turtle by regi witch some of u may think.

Btw I don’t like regi and am on his side on this, so u can imagine what i had to go through to evaluate his decision ^-^

giangvincent
giangvincent

Dyrus cant make up his mind, no on can.

One thing i like about turtle is his portrait in the LCS is very bright and happy

stvnceworks
stvnceworks

Chaox admitted on his stream that he had lost focus and that regi made the right decision for the good of the team, so fanboys quit your b!tchin. If Chaox acted like this on any other team, he would've gotten his a$$ kicked off long ago. I mean dude, you're at one of the world's biggest e-sports arena, MLG Dallas, and you decide to go out and jerk off at 1AM and not return until 6AM?!?! Then you show up 2 hours late for practice?!?! DAFUQ u thinking bruhhh?!?! And he had the nerve to make excuses and not apologize to his team?! Good riddance bro, all you had to do was show up on time or just apologize to your team mates, now you lost one of the best jobs on the planet and some mediocre sub took your spot. PEACE!!!

NetheranE
NetheranE

While not the most eloquent of executions, I believe in the short term, Reginald has made the best decision.

Remember, just because Chaox has been kicked does not mean he cannot return. Allow time to heal the situation, and enable the cooler heads of post Season 3 to enable a revaluation of the situation.

As it is, it still rends us more than we, or they, be willing to admit. Stand strong, move forward, and make Chaox proud.

kevinsta
kevinsta

For verification, I am a fan of TSM, and against no body, even Regi. I don't expect anyone to agree/disagree with me. I just want TSM to understand better what it is like to be a team leader/manager. 

As a manager/team leader, you don't go out in front of everyone, especially your team, and arguing with your teammate, that's too personal. That's just show that you're not mature. Professional don't show emotion in business. 

Also, it is true that one is owner of this team, but that doesn't make him the manager of the team. In order to call yourself a professional/manager, you must either have a long term experience, or a degree. Therefore, please don't call yourself a manager if you have none of the above. 

One's cannot fire somebody when they don't have a policies/guideline. Where is TSM rules? Are they written down and everyone sign it? If one's base on emotions or momentum rules that he/she make up to fire someone, very dysfunctional company. 

Once again, I hope I didn't get anyone flip the table because of this. The deal is done. We can't change it. We just have to excepted and move on. Either support them, or just leave them alone. It take talents and courage for them to build a team like this. 

Chaox, Good luck in life. Everything happen for A reason. It is your attitudes that make you success, not the situations. 

-Peace.    

UblaztheMad
UblaztheMad

Just saying that if you are gonna kick a person off the team thats been there from the beginning you could have atleast had the balls to look him in the eye when you did that.  If thats the type of stance you take with your business its gonna fail.

pop_yoo
pop_yoo

pretty fucked up that he had to leave that day, I wonder if turtle is gonna handle the pressure, I mean he did well last week but let's see how he does this one. I was thinking they would just put chaox as a sub for a while.

iheartdustin
iheartdustin

What was Dyrus saying when he was crying??

Na_buddy
Na_buddy

a bit of a risky decision kicking chaox off the team don't you think!??

LuckyStrike2886
LuckyStrike2886

I do not think what Regi did was in the best interest of the team. He replaces a key player of the team in the middle of the biggest tournament of the year on the only basis that their replacement did well in 3 matches? I might also add that those 3 matches were against Complexity, MRN and a struggling CLG. 

They havent even tested WildTurtle against the big guns like Dignitas or CLG.. What it doesnt work out? They dont have a subsitute ADC now that Chaox is gone. I understand that the behaviour of Chaox is unacceptable at MLG Dallas but I feel Regi rushed his decision to kick Chaox off the team instead of just keeping him as a sub for a couple more weeks  until WildTurtle settles in with the team..

CarlitosFTW
CarlitosFTW

Removing Chaox was not a good idea. yes WildTurtle makes things right and he knows the champions well but players that know a champion will never be better than a player that knows his teammates

Yes Chaox makes things wrong but with that punishment he would be ok again. that is what i think

NavNightWolf
NavNightWolf

TSM has ignored the fans in the decision making to remove Chaox from the team. I do not understand why they did not opt for a better solution to fix the chaox problem. TSM has like the biggest fan base there is for a league of legends team and yet they ignored them totally. 

If Regi really wanted to give Chaox a chance to fix his attitude and motivation, he should've announced officially on TSM website or through Gamecrib that Chaox is getting over the team and if he continues to do so, he will be kicked from the team. In that way, the fans could've played a big role by letting Chaox know that he should take his profession more seriously. This could've made Chaox realize that his fans are also upset, I know Chaox cares about his fans and he would not have let them down. Even after all that if Chaox did not fix his problems, at least the fans would've known that Chaox brought it all to himself despite the warnings and probably there would've been less hate for Regi. But now, most fans are upset over the decision and majority believe removing Chaox was the wrong choice.

After watching all the responses, I still believe kicking Chaox was more of a personal thing for Regi, he just couldn't handle the tension and heat that had developed between him and Chaox. From a business point of view, arguments can happen ( and probably should happen when Regi himself underperformed in several matches ), but by firing his employee/teammate Regi only proved who is BOSS.

Ragiron
Ragiron

If you knew TheOddOne just a bit, you'd know that he's in fact deeply moved inside.

thepikauchu
thepikauchu

My god. I shed tears. The fucking feels man. Dyrus and Chaox biggest men of 2013

jonathan2429
jonathan2429

You don't know the situation, Regi even said that it was personal, not his in game play really, just how he went out drinking the night before a game and came in late twice, it was basically regi just saying that he owns the team and if he doesnt like you then he will kick you off the team.

hman9x
hman9x

@Grakiss why can't everyone be as thoughtful as you. I appreciate your poost

ruben3k5
ruben3k5

@stvnceworks For real bruuh you show them whats up bruhh. PEACE!!

Detriiment
Detriiment

@LuckyStrike2886 Looks like you should be eating your words now... TSM is #1 in NA and looking stronger than ever.  Regi knows what he's doing.  Chaox was underperforming/unprofessional and deserved to be kicked. gg.

ruben3k5
ruben3k5

@LuckyStrike2886 seriously that stupid regi should be kicked off the team everyone alse in the team is so fucking cool man dont you agree this regi man who the hell does he think he is wtf?

pop_yoo
pop_yoo

@LuckyStrike2886 well they did vote on it, dyrus said wildturtle, xpecial was with wild turtle and so was theoddone.

Prophylactixx
Prophylactixx

@NavNightWolf Sorry Wolf, but you sir are completely wrong in every regard of your post. Like it or not TSM is a professional team, and as such, each player is held to standards of professionals. It is not, nor should it ever be the "fans" who help make decisions regarding the team and it's business operations. 

Professional League of Legends competition is a business. The behavior exhibited by Chaox and the manner in which he responded to his inappropriate behavior were completely out of line. Any other business, he would have been fired on the spot. He was given the opportunity to apologize and own is mistakes, but he chose instead to pass blame and make excuses. There is no room for immature, carelessness in the professional world, no matter the profession. 

They clearly made the decision because of business reasons. Had Chaox not acted in the manner that he did, this wouldn't have ever been an issue. Clearly, TSM as a GROUP (not just Regi), feel that Turtle is the better choice for their TEAM, at this time. 

Regi's job as the owner of TSM isn't to concern himself with childish, trivial "hate" from the "fans." Rather, it is to do what it best for TSM's success, regardless of who does or doesn't like it outside of the organization. 

LuckyStrike2886
LuckyStrike2886

@pop_yoo @LuckyStrike2886 They did yes.. But none of them were sure... It looked more like they did becauce Regi wanted them to.. Either way gamecribs is not the best way to judge their feelings and I doubt they will talk about it in their streams too...