E3 2014: Phil Spencer Doesn't Care About the Console War

GameSpot interviews Phil Spencer on the console wars, indie games and free to play aspects for the Xbox franchise.

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hystavito
hystavito

They always say stuff like they don't like the fighting and drama and such, but really, they do, as long as it's in their favour :).  You don't think they analyze social media and have a laugh or a little celebration when the competition is taking a lot of crap?  They probably even have teams of people supporting that stuff, maybe not so directly and certainly not openly, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did that kind of stuff.

CloWnCircus
CloWnCircus

Of course you didn't want to come out and take shots at anybody else, you're on the losing side and have none to take, what shots would you possibly have? Xbox1 is the only console in existence to have changed all of its initial planning in 1 year? You did what you had to do, be humble for the cameras, bow down and expect that this time nothing too large penetrates your backside while you're at it, you'd have a pretty smug face if the tables were reversed and everyone with a brain and some sense of marketing knows it, it just so happened that Don Mattrick wasn't one of them. 


I don't believe in brand allegiance, that's just as dumb as political allegiances, analyze what you're shown and go with what you identify with the most, based on it. (U.S.A. doesn't count for this analogy since they're just a black or white paradigm)

SoulScribe
SoulScribe

People obviously didn't watch the video. He even said he cares about the competition, just not the drama crap that people are trying to make out of it. He said the way he believes competition should be done is through 'actions and showing their cards, not crap talking' (Paraphrasing of course.)

jack00
jack00

MS Last gen when they were doing better than Sony : "We are better in everyway, our console is more powerful, we are winning the console war",

MS this gen when they are getting f'd sideways : "Meh saying which console is more poweful is stupid, we don't care about console war, it's stupid".

Spartan-1657
Spartan-1657

Stop trying to sound cool, Phil. It's competition and it affects your sales. Of course you care.

jeff_t97
jeff_t97

HAHA jayjay you are so right

jayjay444
jayjay444

With the money Sony is losing you Sony fanboys might wan't Sony to hurry up and bring out Uncharted 4 before they go bankrupt lol. 

azlil7
azlil7

Gotta respect what he is doing he actually seems like a gamer not just some guy in a suit who wants your money hes done a lot of right things for the xbox like remove the paywall of gold and kinnect and make the xbox one what it is meant to be props to him 

Tiger_Ali
Tiger_Ali

Doesn't business mean war with your competitors? This guy is soft, too soft. He wants Xbox 3 to be the only place where gamers play, doesn't he? That's what he said in the conference, so why so p-u-$-$-y?

battlefront1943
battlefront1943

Phil, you're a good guy, but no one believes you don't care about the console war/selling boxes.  

Super_C
Super_C

This came off as incredibly honest and genuine.  I really like this guy.

deadline-zero0
deadline-zero0

"Fanboys are fighting each on the internet? Sorry, i'm too busy making money".


mista414
mista414

Way to stay classy Phil. Unlike the cheap shots Sony took.

delcidanddarth
delcidanddarth

It makes sense for him not to care. He was brought in to turn around the sinking ship, and we'll see if the price drop helps out. Last month, even the Wii-U outsold the Xone (ouch). I'm sure he would be happy as a clam if they technically "lost" the console war (just consoles sold?) if they make a whole bunch of money on it. Of course, a good way to make money is to sell more consoles, and in the long run, you can't consistently lose the console war and expect to remain competitive. But losing ground in the first year of release? It's not a red flag.

SingletreeAve
SingletreeAve

Well we all know console wars exist only in the minds of fanboys.  Personally, I like to follow Gamespot's lead and fan the console war flames as much as possible.  It's great entertainment.

kingofpotatoes
kingofpotatoes

I easily prefer my PS4 over my Xbox one, but Phil Spencer is the best thing Microsoft has done for the Xbox one. He is honest and likable. He was even asked about how multiplats look and play better on PS4 and he did not be ignorant about that fact. He admitted to it. This dude is a huge reason why I still support Xbox.

Tomcat2007
Tomcat2007

 He's right, who cares.  Microsoft has never won a console war.  Even last gen with a big head start Microsoft still fell behind Sony in lifetime sales figures.  And Sony fell way behind Nintendo.  But nobody was a loser they all sold a lot of consoles and lots of games.

BelaidKL
BelaidKL

There's a difference between console war and business.. Business is looking at the competition and seeing them garnering more customers and wanting those customers, so to do so you need to match their prices or better the value of your product.. Console war is looking at the competition and pointing your finger at them and laughing, while throwing insults at them and telling everyone why they should go to you and not them... Phil Spencer is doing a great job, and his acknowledgement of Sony and Nintendo at the start of the Microsoft conference was classy and brilliant - shows he understands there's great games EVERYWHERE.. A guy who understands gaming and loves all things gaming.. It's such a relief from Don Mattrick 

jsmoke03
jsmoke03

BULLSHIT! thats why they dropped the kinect after 6 months despite selling more xb1's than 360's and is one of the top 5 best selling consoles of all time? c'mon man dont lie. you guys did great on monday trying to be humble and sincere.

CaveManCobb
CaveManCobb

If he didn't care he wouldn't have removed the Kinect. 

jack00
jack00

I bet he'd say otherwise if he was winning it.

WllDan7
WllDan7

Yet here there is always a war. With the community and the site as a whole. Seriously I don't care about some games on x1 running below 1080p and I have a wii u. And will get the other two in the next year or two.

Truth_Hurts_U
Truth_Hurts_U

Actually you do... That's why you dropped Kinect, lowered the price, stopped the always online BS and changed your conference.

Dissentioncc
Dissentioncc

And you M$ xbots might want to prepare your buttholes for the inevitable consumer rights r.aping that they will try to do again in the future. Enjoy supporting a trash company though. They could probably start using slave labor or sell guns to terrorists and you'd be like "When's Halo coming! Derp."

tyler623134
tyler623134

Talking crap about the other company doesn't excite no one but immature fan boys. A good product will sale. At the end of the day all Microsoft has to do is continue improving.

MonkerzX
MonkerzX

@Super_C He's great, I'm primarily a Sony fan but I think putting him in charge was a very strong move and I think he handles the MS press conference really well too. I'm a little jealous we don't have him instead of the guy who replaced Tretton.

Tiger_Ali
Tiger_Ali

All is fair in business bro, its just like when they dish out tons of cash for exclusives to be on their console first(pretty cheap if you ask me).

@mista414 

jayjay444
jayjay444

@Tomcat2007 Sony done nothing but lose money on their console while Ms were making billion on their, then their was XBL with that alone destroying Sony's profits, it's not all about selling consoles and Sony has only sold a few million more than the 360 it's not as if it's 50 million units ahead lmao. 

horizonwriter
horizonwriter

@Tomcat2007 In truth, it's really just unchecked disrespect, something that you only get away with online. Lets face it, if someone came up to me obnoxiously and arrogantly putting down one console over another or going on with the whole "PC master race" I'd break their nose with pleasure. Not because I like one platform over the another but because it's just a level of disrespect that no one should have to listen to or tolerate. Unfortunately, because of the nature of the internet we have all these router warriors and e-gangstas with their digital courage flaming any and everything good that comes along. I don't know if it will ever change for the better but we all know that it needs to.

Truth_Hurts_U
Truth_Hurts_U

@BelaidKL  Sure it's just business trash talking PS4. Saying GDDR5 will over heat the system, they don't have enough vents, PS4 isn't a balanced system, SDRAM is better, cloud is going to make us better then PS4.

That's just some of the trash talking MS has done. Sony jabbed them right back. With Funny videos of game sharing and proving them wrong with Mark Cerny. Even the Dev's back them.

StormyJoe
StormyJoe

@jack00 People like you... LOL!  MS can never do anything right in your eyes, huh?  

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@Truth_Hurts_U Sure they care about competition, but they don't care about all of the crap that comes with it. The stupid fanboys and mindless followers that won't touch a "rival" controller in case it burns them like holy water on a possessed person. THAT is pathetic.

Microsoft do what they want and in a style that suits them that they feel will get them the most sales and people buying, that is obvious you can't run a decent business if you aren't willing to compete with people, but it doesn't mean you have to act like an ass in the process.

Crypt_mx
Crypt_mx

@Truth_Hurts_U That's business, not a console war. He wants to sell his console, but he doesn't want other consoles to fail.

blackace
blackace

@Dissentioncc I own all the consoles except a Wii U right now. You wouldn't know trash if you lived in it. I'm sure your butthole has already had it's fair share of Sony pounding it. True Gamers don't favor any one platform because you end up missing out on all that gaming greatness.

iammcgruber
iammcgruber

@Dissentioncc JayJay hurt your feelings obviously. Look at how you rush to defend Sony, who doesn't care about you at all, just wants your money so they can say they're #1, not they're fans.

jayjay444
jayjay444

@Dissentioncc I have all 4 platforms i'm not a "xbots", I own PC,X1.PS4, even a Wii U, I also own PS3 and 360. i'm speaking my mind lol if you don't like that tough, we all know Sony is losing money like theres no tomorrow and I just hope I play uncharted 4 before they go out of busyness.


Edit: when is Halo coming? oh yeah November when is Uncharted coming? late 2015? if they don't go out of busyness that is. 

Dissentioncc
Dissentioncc

Lmfao yeah ok internet tough guy. You'd break someone's nose for having a different opinion than you huh? You might want to get some anger management lessons. The reason it doesn't happen in most irl situations is because it would be completely random. This is a platform to talk about gaming. Disrespect lol.

jack00
jack00

@StormyJoe @jack00  If everything they are doing is so "right", then why are they changing their policies more often than people change their toothbrush.

Dissentioncc
Dissentioncc

I had no beef with M$ before last year's e3 and the consumer rights r.aping they wanted to do. After that, idgaf how many things they 180, they are the worst company for gaming. How people can just overlook what they tried to do is beyond me. I'm just glad that even before it happened, I was never an Xbox fan. Made it easier to just laugh at them.

Tiger_Ali
Tiger_Ali

@StormyJoe @jack00 other than the FAN BOYZ, the rest of the world doesn't give two sh-i-tz about Microsoft or Phil Spencer, I'm not gonna kiss a scapegoats ass and he kind of seems like a douchebag to me. One of those guys who puts on the ultimate act to seem sincere.

I can say tho he is much more tolerable than that medhi or what ever their leaders name is.

Truth_Hurts_U
Truth_Hurts_U

Business is a war and they were getting owned. That's why they are still changing stuff. Console isn't even a year old.

xfiles2099
xfiles2099

@jayjay444 Sony will not go out of business Sony is losing money but not due to the PS4 Sony will be just fine.This is the difference between Sony and MS when it comes to games. MS makes games ,Sony makes Masterpieces works of art. Look at Last of Us MS does not have a game that can touch that. The Uncharted series the list goes on and on

surrealme
surrealme

@Dissentioncc I'd have been absolutely fine with it if they'd gone ahead with everything they'd originally planned. I don't buy used games because I'd rather support the developers than GameStop's shareholders. I don't sell my games when I'm done with them. I've had an always online internet connection for the past 15 years. I'd rather buy my games online than have to go to a brick and mortar, and it's damn nice not having to find a disc and put it in the tray before I can play. Consumer rights? Nothing they proposed would have harmed me in the slightest conceivable way. Then again I'm an adult who doesn't have an overblown sense of entitlement and don't whine on the internet as a hobby.

smackdowner360
smackdowner360

@Truth_Hurts_U Not really Xbox One is making profit and the Xbox division has been pulling in profit since 2007.Playstation division hasnt made money since 2006.playstation division has lost over 6 billion in the past 8 years.Sony is on the edge of going bankrupt in 2015.PS4 is in 56 countrys at 8 million Xbox One is at 5.1 million in 13 countrys.Yea seems the Xbox brand is winning when you look at a little closer.Now last gen where the Xbox selling 47 million in the U.S and PS3 selling 28 million now thats domination

jayjay444
jayjay444

@xfiles2099 @jayjay444 MS doesn't just make games they make Masterpieces to, halo is bigger than Any Sony exclusive, in fact it's become an icon and not just in gaming it's that big of a franchise now, Forza is becoming the biggest racing game on consoles over taking the throne from GT etc etc. You way overrate Sony exclusive there good but their not "Masterpieces", iv'e yet to play one Sony exclusive as good as MGS4 now that game was a masterpiece. I don't like movie scripted games like uncharted, I don't like the Mediocre Shooters, I hate their racing franchises now, they have basically no 3rd person Shooters, I love God of war but it isn't a masterpiece, sorry I have no idea what masterpieces your talking about other than MGS4 care to explain?

93ChevyNut
93ChevyNut

@smackdowner360 @Truth_Hurts_U I hate the "# of countries" argument that xbox fanboys like to throw around.  It's pointless if you don't factor in the eligible population of those countries.  If the total population of the 56 PS4 countries was 500 million and the 13 X1 countries was also 500 million, for example, then the gap is very clear. 

Now, if the if the total pop of the 56 PS4 countries was 500 million and the pop for the X1 countries was only 200 million, then the gap isn't so clear.

But then again, I don't expect fanboys of either console to be smart enough to understand that statistics can be twisted to portray nearly any message they want.

Truth_Hurts_U
Truth_Hurts_U

@smackdowner360

Sony is actually turning a profit with PS4.

They screwed up with PS3. Just like MS has done with XBO. They might be making money. But they aren't going to hold market share.

Sony has the most gen 8 consoles sold. More consoles sold = more Dev's are going to support you.

If XBO was winning then they would be selling more then PS4. But instead they pulled a PS3 and didn't listen to people telling them not to add Kinect. Yet they went ahead with that POS. Now they are doing every thing they can to catch up and reverse what they did.

surrealme
surrealme

@93ChevyNut "If the total population of the 56 PS4 countries was 500 million and the 13 X1 countries was also 500 million, for example, then the gap is very clear." 


Since the PS4 is for sale in every country the Xbox One is the only thing that's clear is that you're not very good at math. 

smackdowner360
smackdowner360

@Truth_Hurts_U @smackdowner360 No their not quarter ending march 31 playstation division posted another $200 million loss added on to the billion loss sony had in the rest of the company.Of course what does sony know with people like yourself knowing more about their company than they do?What do you mean more 3rd party developers?Every 3rd party games thats on the PS4 is on Xbox One.Also there is no exclusives for the PS4 this holiday.X1 has 3 huge blockbusters with halo,forza horizon 2,and sunset overdrive.On top of that X1 still has a few more exclusives this holiday coming out.In america PS4 is at 3.4 and the X1 is at 3.1 so i dont see the gap at all.Worldwide as i said PS4 8 million 57 countrys and X1 5.1 million in 13 countrys

blackace
blackace

@Tiger_Ali @jayjay444 Halo rapes Uncharted in sales by a large margin. Even with both PS4 and XB1 having 80 million units in gamers hands, when you check and see which game most gamers will buy, it's always Halo and not Uncharted.

93ChevyNut
93ChevyNut

@surrealme @93ChevyNut My math is just fine.  Let me make this clearer:

If the X1 is available to the same NUMBER OF PEOPLE as the PS4 and the sales totals are still 8 million PS4s to 5 million X1s, then the CLEARLY the PS4 has the lead.

However, if the PS4 is available to MORE PEOPLE than the X1, then the 8 million vs 5 million argument doesn't hold up.  The mistake smackdowner is making is he's assuming that, because the PS4 is available in more COUNTRIES than the X1, that the PS4 is available to more PEOPLE than the X1.  Without knowing the population of those countries, we can't determine which one has the better saturation rate.

That's like saying that Person A, who can carry 3 "buckets" of water, is stronger than Person B who can only carry 2 "buckets" of water.  If you assume the buckets are the same size, then yes, Person A is stronger than Person B.  But if they are carrying different size buckets, then you can't make that determination.

Now, like you said, if we had the total sales numbers for both systems for only countries that BOTH systems are available in, then a winner could be determined.

Hopefully that makes sense to you.  In short, there's nothing wrong with my math.

Truth_Hurts_U
Truth_Hurts_U

@smackdowner360  As far as the PlayStation division goes, the outlook is rosier for the newly segmented "Game and Network Services" (Sony used to report the results of the "Game" division on its own). Sales rose by nearly 40 percent in the last fiscal year thanks to the PS4, but launching a new console contributed to an operating loss of 18.8 billion yen ($184 million), as did the closure of several MMOs. However, Sony expects to turn that loss into a gain this year. 
 The company projects the segment's fiscal year sales to rise once more up to 1,220 billion yen ($11.95 billion), an increase of 17 percent. With PS4 sales predicted to rise and post-launch costs decreasing, the forecast is an operating gain of 20 billion yen ($196 million).


With PS4 sales predicted to rise and post-launch costs decreasing, the forecast is an operating gain of 20 billion yen ($196 million).


With PS4 sales predicted to rise and post-launch costs decreasing, the forecast is an operating gain of 20 billion yen ($196 million).


With PS4 sales predicted to rise and post-launch costs decreasing, the forecast is an operating gain of 20 billion yen ($196 million).