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ronnet
ronnet

@jhonel83, perhaps I did misunderstand you but I still think saying the RPG elements 'suck' in this one is a huge overstatement. It doesnt have as much depth as some of the older systems of cRPG, but compared to most RPG in excistence (incl. all TES games) the RPG elements look really good. The 'train by doing' mentality is as amazing as ever and is less prone to grinding then before. The perks also add a lot to this RPG. You can play through the game twice as a warrior and get a different kind of combat experience.

jhonel83
jhonel83

@ronnet, I got misunderstood. I think the rpg elements "suck" compared to the previous Elder Scrolls games, and previous Bethesda games in general. Comparring their game to anything else (except maybe Blizzard or older Bioware releases) is a blasphemy to all gamers out there! Looking back to this years PC releases, there is nothing even close to what these guys accomplished in a 10th of this game (yes, even The Witcher looks like a B class game after playing this!). I was just pointing out what could have made it even better. I would make a review, but I doubt anyone would read it, considering how many are out there already

ronnet
ronnet

Part 2: The RPG elements (as far as I am concerned) certainly don't 'suck' in this game. They are far beyond the average game in the genre. Most games never had as much skills and atributes as TES had to begin with. THere were so many schools of magic and what not, that gameplay-wise it hardly was relevant. Now there are more actual spells, and less schools so each school atually significantly changes the gameplay. All-round it is a much better game because they threw away the flawed system that previously had.

ronnet
ronnet

@jhonel83, I don't disagree with all you've said. Some things have been dumbed down such as not being able to increase athletics/acrobatics and that hand2hand isn't a skill anymore. However (like I said) I applaud the removal of the atributes. Naturally I was going to level strength if I was training sword. The whole atrbute system was a secondary layer that didn't do much to add to the RPG experience. I actually was insulted that they gave me this 'choice' because there wasn't much of a choice to begin with. The problem with this system was also that you needed to get the X5 modifier or otherwise your characters wouldnt level as good as he could and in the long run this could seriously effect your progression. So I am happy that they removed strength and such. I also don't see how you can call the spell selection poor. Poor was Morrowind/Oblivion's 3 spell effect system. Being a destruction mage only gave you access to three spell effects, and it didnt matter how powerful you were in the skill. You could use the spell maker and make a rediculously powerful fire attack, it wouldnt look better then the starting fireball spell. Now you've got multiple versions of fire magic from flamethrowers to the good old fireball spell.

jhonel83
jhonel83

@ronnet, actually using a sword increased your SWORD skill. After you leveled up you could increse your strength, which was the governing atribute for it. This allowed you some smooth controll over how fast you could swing for example(old DEX). Now get a 2 handed weapon - it will be as fast and precise from the first minute to the last in the game. You can no longer master staffs or daggers. You can no longer decide how fast you can run, how high you can jump. You can't influence how much you can carry. Spell selection is very poor, and yet to notice if you can make your own spells. The game forces enchantment and conjuration down your throat - if you ever want to use magic weapons, they do not recharge automatically. So you need conjuration for soul trap and enchanting for obv reasons. You can no longer protect yourself against magic or adverse effects (old CON), you need to specialise in alteration to get any type of shielding.So you NEED to be a mage, at least part mage, no matter what. You call that role playing? Your freedom is limited! Also certain elements break the game - with smithing you can craft any items you would need way before you should be allowed to. You can have ebony armor by the time the loot drops steel armor at best. You are only stopped at daedric for a moment because daedric hearts are rare -but by that time, the looting is ruined. And it's incredibly easy to learn it to the max. Werewolf form also breaks the game by bugging it and also giving you 100% disease res with no drawbacks.Don't get me wrong, I love the athmosferic and exploration elements, the music and voice acting too. But the RPG elements are pure crap

ronnet
ronnet

part 2: Overall I am fine with the level of RPG elements, far more then in your average RPG these days (incl. RPG by Bioware, the industry legend). I do miss an option to get a new haircut but other then that I love just about everything about this game. Depending on the amount of content I'll definatly rate this between a 9 and a 10.

ronnet
ronnet

@jhonel83, the stats which is obviously the biggest RPG element that is removed, are no issue for me. The system was broken in the first place, as some skills trained faster then others leading you to not get the max modifier before your next level. Effectively stopping you from maximizing your potential unless you just kept spawning whatever spell or movement increased the modifier. It was a tiresome system. Besides stats were a joke to begin with. If you trained sword then you'd train strength. It was just a secondary layer that only gave the illusion of choice. I am glad it is gone, the new system offers much more freedom. Especially the way how they made the new leveling system depend more on alreayd high skills as you reach higher levels is a stroke of brilliance, fixing a fundamental issue that RPG have had since the 90's. I do miss athletics and acrobatics, I feel that they should have combined it to one new skills at the very least. Btw, the armor slot removal wasnt a design choice. They had no choice as the amount of characters on screen couldnt be done with so many seperate objects. They had to combine those slots to make the game play as smooth as it does.

BYBY666
BYBY666

Hi there I have played about 32 hour's and I think it is the best elder scroll ever but there are some downfall's like ronnet and jhonel83 suggested. But I think that the game is made so realistic when people are talking and quests are great but there should bi more things to ore in the caves. Graphics are very good except if you play it for 3-4 hour then thing's start to become purple or there are crashes at least with the pc version. And to gfile yes dragons do spawn randomly which is awesome. And dificulty is a bit easy but if you set it to expertor or higher you will have lots of problems. Any way I love it and i can't stop playing it good job bathesda. :)

jhonel83
jhonel83

@Flamerdragon , here, I found a video that is closer to the actual game, skip to 17:25 for the dragon fight. That IS pretty awsome imo. And be patient, there's a reason why that giant is shown there :). It gets even better when he fights the second dragon because he actually uses a shout which summons a lightning storm and changes the enviroment around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSL-r9AIEEU&feature=player_embedded

gfile
gfile

About 10 hrs into the game atm and i ve met/killed only 2 dragons (was pretty easy tbh) my q is...are dragons spawning randomly (that would be awesome) or they are strictly attached to the storyline? As one mentioned bellow, they really stripped amount of stats/rpg elements probably to get more (new) fans to the genre even tho 3rd person is more natural view for me to properly play rpg coz i really like to see my gear/weapons, but the amount of things to do in the game is simply amazing. Good work.

jhonel83
jhonel83

@ronnet, I agree with you, I also chose shield/1 handed and it's awsome, if not cheaply easy. But didn't you notice the rpg elements are kinda dumbed down? No stats whatsoever to start with. They removed armor slots -now you have only head, torso, gloves and boots, 1 ring and 1 talisman. Also removes any controll you get over numbers governed by stats -hit points, carry weight, run speed? For me it get a 5/10 for rpg elements, 10/10 for exploration, quests and voice acting. So roughly a 8 :(

ronnet
ronnet

Fantastic game, already sunked 30 hours into it, I got it on Tuesday. I've finished one guild and I've started the main quest. I wanted to get around to it sooner but the insane amount of cool things to see and do kept me busy. Every town is filled with quests and things to experience. Dungeons are diverse and combat is great. I love that I can take about anything down if I make good use of my shield. Defensive tactics actually work. Love the slow time bonus I get when enemies to a power attack. Especially against trolls, their attacks are so slow and brutal that I can avoid their hit and take 50% of their health bar in slow time. Other games might have better combat, better graphics and what not, but this game lasts hundreds of hours and it is a lot of fun. I don't care that some other 10 hour game with a 1-2 year development cycle has better gameplay or graphics, compared to this masterpiece the entire gaming industry should feel ashamed, especially activion and EA.

Lancezh
Lancezh

@Zhyren your trollattempt failed pretty much he explained his criticizm nicely, whats your problem with that ? Fanboy much ?

Zhyren
Zhyren

@flamerdragon . Shut u mouth , if u dun like it so dun buy it that all

Lancezh
Lancezh

I give it a 8.0 / 10 so far. If you want epic fights and own a console you should get dark souls, period and not this. If you want Stories, quests, lots of lots of npcs to talk to, and more diversified skill developing you get Skyrim. @Flamerdragon, you pretty much nailed it with your discovery. The fighting system is the weakest point about this game. If you are alot about fighting i strongly suggest you're not getting it for that, theres not much skill involved in the actual fights. Sorry to burst the bubble ont hat one but anyone who's not a fanboy should see this. The graphics, atmosphere as said already though is great and fun.

Flamerdragon
Flamerdragon

@jhonel83, nice glad to hear about this. I will take your word then and give it a try. Thanks for the reply :)

jhonel83
jhonel83

@Flamerdragon, actually it IS pretty epic in the game itself. They are *very fast in the air, it's a pain to actually hit them with a bow. When a dragon appears it usually blindsights you, ambushing you from above Most of the time you don't survive that :). If you do, Skyrim kick ass theme starts as he breathes fire everywhere, killing everything on the ground, bee it the fauna, the trees or npcs. It gains altitude, ignores you for a moment and burns some poor sod in the other side of the mountain. You can't see him, but you can clearly see the flames and destruction there. Then it comes back for you, holy sh*t, ruuuun, duck behind a rock as it spits torrents of flame all over your location. If this is not an epic fight, I don't know what else is... On the bad side, it will eventually land and you get some cheap shots before it takes off again, but it seems Skyrim is all about holding your hand like that through the entire game.

adamomars
adamomars

I have put four hours in. i give it a 9.7 its what i expected and more. great menus and controls. awsome music, visuals and sound effects. fighting and caves are wicked. great frame rate. loading times are good. character voices very fine, and new additions of odd jobs is cool. upgrading is the best, some new additions, all good. it froze within the first five minutes of playing and the detail looks like barf on closer inspection. but these things are natural with video games of our age. this game, skyrim, sets the bar to a whole new level.

Flamerdragon
Flamerdragon

I havent played the game yet, thinking of getting it though. As seen from the video, I didnt really like the dragon fights. I found them... lame... I expected them to be more "epic". The dragon is on the ground, slow movements, on air, fire/frost breathing, floating slowly. Not quite what I've been expecting. Expected more fast, thrilling fights. Keep you on your toes. Dragons should make you terrified, I mean they can fly, you cant, they bigger on the ground, you fit in their mouth, flying around you, making you look for them, keeping you on guard. I didnt like what I saw really. So are there any such fights that meet my expectations in the game?

DreadfulGlory
DreadfulGlory

Not the best montage I've every seen. But the game is amazing.

mohammaad
mohammaad

the best 2012 1.uncharted 3 2. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

mikexppc
mikexppc

sweet game, clearly a 10, u just don t count with the few glitches it has. where are u girlfriends brests b000b :(

handofthedragon
handofthedragon

I just came off of xboxlive and most of my friends are playing this rather than MW3.....who knew.

washnwax
washnwax

hows this for bad luck,got to play this for 3 hours and those 3 hours were awesome...then my ps3 died.

Snepstok
Snepstok

What horrible music.Although I haven't experienced 1 minute of gameplay, I'm wuite sure this isn't the music from Skyrim, Jeremy Soule

BoriMex08
BoriMex08

Best game ever. A true masterpiece. With Skyrim & Battlefield 3 I am set for the full year of 2012. All ill need will be the extension pack for each of this two games.

scotsman0424
scotsman0424

Is the music in the video from the game?

Cataclysmm
Cataclysmm

great game everything a RPGER like me could ask for for my Pc, this and the witcher 2 is instant classics,

Cataclysmm
Cataclysmm

great game everything a RPGER like me could ask for for my Pc, this and the witcher 2 is instant classics,

James_on_Ice
James_on_Ice

Didnt this take like half the time of Duke Nukem to make? ah...haha......AAAHahahaha This better arrive tomorrow amazon or else

washnwax
washnwax

buying this game in 2 hours and cant wait :)

kdelong18
kdelong18

Soooo good. It will be mine, oh yes...

wavey_gravey
wavey_gravey

Oh man! I want this sooo much. Hoping Santa will bring it! :D

Darkkend
Darkkend

I wonder how many dragons are in the game

moomadness
moomadness

Just killed my first dragon, that feeling of exhilaration.. boss fights with dragons ftw

legin311
legin311

@ 2:04 skeleton dragon comes out of the ground ! #LoveThisGame

elementrium
elementrium

...You want a montage (montage) Even rocky had a montage (montage) Anything that we want to know From just a beginner to a pro....

norman69
norman69

That's always a cool effect once you've slain a dragon and their body just burns away to nothing.

HonorOfGod
HonorOfGod

@jweed it is I like it better than 1st person. The only time I use it is to look at places and items I am picking up or people on the floor and its also cool to use in battle since its so simple to do by just tapping down the right analog stick.

HonorOfGod
HonorOfGod

So much fun! Got the game at 12am and its so much fun.

masha2932
masha2932

I really wish you could ride the dragons or have one as a pet. Maybe in the next game.

FlyingKoopa
FlyingKoopa

I never liked the series, but I'm going to check this one out, just to make sure.