Spas is a 1 hit kill, dont know what game the editors there were playing but in most of the action i played, it killed in one hit. The semi sniper is pretty bad too, killed me faster even after I unloaded most of a clip on the other guy. In my opinion, the support and the recon are taking a back seat in this addon and the assault, engineer have the advantage. explosive's are lethal in the confined spaces, although rpg's and grenades are seriously nerfed in this game, but c4 and if hit right rpg can kill in groups.
I agree on what you said about the Assault, MTAR and sniper weapons. The Spas is a very nice one shot KO weapon that has a higher RoF then the 870 and thus is a tad more useful for picking of people in a group. You more or less skipped the LSAT which is regarded as the worst new weapon, because it compromises on everything and thus does nothing good, sure it's accurater then the other heavy LMG's but it has such low damage and RoF. It's not as good in CQ as the PKP or M249, but also not as good on a bipod as other LMG's. The L86 is essentially an alternative M27 IAR that has less recoil and is better. The ACW-R I find a bit weird, because it gives no controller vibration on PS3, but it has such a controllable fire pattern that it's very powerful at mid-long range. Haven't tried out the M5K yet, but I'm no fan of PDW's (got GM top 5 but not the SMG kills :P).
so about the spas is better because in the close quarters you need something like that gun and spas shot like boom and you will need this gun style if you was face to face and i always be face to face
why is the close quarters in ps3 got a high prize and some people don't have money but because am lucky i got it yeeeeeeeeeey and guys its really cool
Well good discussion made here.At least who.le 3 platforms opinion was share.If you allow me i will give a general description based on the PC regarding the new weapons at CQ (but played not only at CQ maps).AUG - descend assault rifle which imo is more applicable in any another map instead of CQ.Good damage and acuicy but still lack of fire rate power instead of AEK and M16A3(which M16 remain the most OP weapon at the game since beginning.Maybe they for reason do not nerf it ,in order when is 1st weapon with which you start to give, somehow a new players advantage against veterans.Tbh i hate wen i see colonel 100 with 95 star M16A3.pathetic if you ask me).SCAR-L very good at medium to long range assault rifle.Low firerate but powerful(which i cant understand based on the ammo which it is in use 5.56x45mm instead of G3A3 with 7.62x51mm)If you like a a that kind of play Scar will gonna be you favorite weapon.To me i prefer G3A3 at that kind of play(keep shooting at the enemy on medium to long range).M5K lovely imo is a pro weapon which can be versatile in hand s of the expiriance player.Can rush the enemy squad and wipe it out(my playing stile) , or can keep them in a bit distance with deadly fire rate .MTAR21-deadly in close range ,but against assault rifle in a medium distance ... you are gone soldier.ACWR -That Carbine in fact should be a assault rifle, and i think devs nerf the real range of that weapon to make it engen.class weapon.Its a really good weapon in range of fire same as assault rifle.Bit low damage but compensate with a fire rate:)SAPS12 -really good shot gun (as i point already the some things which should be fix and after yesterday DICE hunting event i hope dev to notice that ).I hate when Ppl start yelling is OP bla bla one shot kill , h dear which shotgun cant kill you with one shot in close range :D .Spas as already was told is a kinda of mid between pump and SEMIAUTO shotgun. M417-good rifle if you loike that kind of snipe play.Tbh i didnt i like a bolt action so for me is decent one but still if i want to use that kind of gun i will prefer a M39 EMR.One more time as i say i can be so objective exactly of that kind of sniper rifle so" don`t lets the dog s out "JNG-90-well Imo to many ppl are over excited on it.The only advantage is a bit bullet velocity instead of M40A5.When i spoke for JNG-90 i mean the shooting range from 50-250 m .In that area .for rest one there is much much better sniper rifles.So a lots of ppl get the idea that JNG-90 is a game changing sniper rifle , well base on my games (include Conquest,rush,assault conquest, TDM )...hmm using my be loved M40A5 i own them all(i donot say that they can`t kill but the kill/death stats between me using a M40A5 and person using JNG90 is something like 5:1.I really dont know what exactly ppl was expected from this rifle, to click the mouse and each shot to be head shot at any distance :D.Well this impo , and for certain i v been played against good recons (rank over col.25 with over 10 star at recon ).That is based on the PC platform
In the end i want to thanks to your guys made this video and give us a good topic to think on it . One more time cheers fella`s and keep on it
Ok, I don't know what you guys are talking about, I don't know if the 360 versions of the M5k and Spas 12 suck or what, but I LOVE those guns. The M5k is amazing once you unlock the extended mag, and even without it, I've been able to take out 3 guys with 21 bullets of one clip that were about 15 meters away from me. It's really powerful, I would definitely use this over the P90 which was my SMG of choice. It's my 2nd favorite weapon now after the AUG A3. It's accurate, fast, stable and smoooooooooth.
The Spas on the other hand has an amazing fire rate for a pump action and is officially a beast with flechette rounds (which is what I think you guys should have been using instead of buckshot). It might be a tad bit weaker than the 870 but it's hardly noticeable with the high fire rate. My accuracy with the Spas is 88% and that's the highest of any of the weapons I use, it's deadly accurate and has great range with flechette rounds. I take out people that are over 30 meters away from me with 2 - 3 shots. I think you should give those 2 guns a second chance with extended mags for the M5k, and flechette or even slugs for the Spas.
Also to answer your other comments, I'm a premium member and I like being one because I got to get these new weapons early and I love all of them, except for the LSAT and M417, which in my opinion is a crappy version of the SKS.
Also, I don't know if 360 users have this glitch, but do your controllers not vibrate when you fire the ACW-R?
MTAR has nothing on Spas12 with slug ammo. Spas12 with slug ammo is official best gun in BF3 right now. Dude had it and got like 100 kills in 12min. And beat everyone by 60 kills. Its a BEAST. MTAR is a baby kittin compared to Spas12 with slug ammo. U said it has no range? Really? Dude had it in regular maps and got those kills. He waz meduim to long range getting ONE hit kills easy.
U guys are crazy, Spas12 with slug ammo is the most overpowered gun in BF3 of all time now. I tweeted DICE @Battlefield and @EA_DICE and told them to leave it in cuz it makes console controller input lag bearable now. But dude killed me with it like from assault rifle range and its ONE hit kills. They going to nerf it watch. But they need to leave it alone on console. Cuz input lag isnt fixed so thats the least they should do to make game bearable.
Any servers with RULES, mean to do exactly what the rules say not to do. F rules. Its a game. You want rules than don't invite random players. That is the dumbest stuff EVER. Nothing dumber than entering a server with rules say no M320 and then some 100 rank LOSER who rented the server is running around with the M320 killing people. That was the losers plan to start
Nothing better than loading objectives with C4 and blasting 5 guys at once, which is my most enjoyable part of these maps, which are otherwise pretty annoying. The challenge is to see how many enemies you can down with one click of the C4 trigger. And stick with that SCAR-L, its a really great, no recoil, calming effect type weapon but not a face to face killer.
I used to be a BF3 fan, dont get me wrong I dont like COD, but the gun game play in this game is terrible. The weapons do not shoot the correct way, games should base damage on bullet type, weapon fire speed, weapon size, not based on a score that a develloper sets up. Obviously an assault rifle should have more power than an smg based on type of bullet it fires and its size, yet a SMG fires faster. All to often an assault rifle toting guy who shoots a SMG first still gets killed by the SMG guy because the rules that govern the weapons in the say that the SMG is more powerful. Yet another problem with this game is that amount of ammo players have to fire into other players is really unrealistic, most times it takes entire clips to kill a guy even when they are close range which it shouldnt require. This could be from lag but even in COD more often you could still kill players. Also dont get me started on the explosives, C4 kills in one use yet point blank rpg doesnt even touch or kill unless its a direct hit.
im pretty sure the 12x on scar-L is a bug same thing happened with all B2K weapons devs use the 12x scope for testing purposes and sometimes they forget to remove them
CQ weapons are totally out of place. Completely OverPowered. No initial recoil, no recoil, no spread. Each one best at its class. DICE will nerf 'em, but after 2-3 patches, for obvious reasons... Buy CQ/Premium.
I like the fact the guy camping at around the 1 minute mark just get completely owned.
That'll teach you for playing the game like Call of Duty.
Dirty, filthy, campers!
Nice video, let me tell about M5K and SPAS.Well M5K have less spread over the long range then any submach.gun.Bigger fire rate than assault rifle so i think the M5K is best weapon for close to mid range shooting.And is a kinda of pro weapon.If you know how to handled.At OM conquest with this beauty i manage to wipe out the whole squad` before they realize my presents.For CQ maps certainly if you use this one , ou should keep a bit distance .Now for SPAS hmm this shotgun with a slug ammo is not kinda IT IS PRO .In the chest and head shoot each bullet is a death from close to mid range shooting.So that is IMO .Cheers
I bought Premium and play the CQ maps. It's only really fun Team DM on hard corpe. The random spawn pionts suck and are no fun.
@zowbaid I haven't had any vibration problems on the ACW-R.
Since we did this video, I have warmed up to the M5K a little more. I still kind of feel like the MP7 might be superior, but I'll have to spend more time with it. It's definitely laser accurate from the hip. I haven't taken out 3 with a clip, only 2 before *click*click*click switch to the 1911.
Making friends with the SPAS-12 is next on my list. I've been using flechette with it, and agree with you on that. After one service star, the unlocks seem mostly pointless unless you want to snipe with slugs.
I actually like the 417 quite a bit. It's hip fire is better than the other weapons in the class, besides the SKS which it does beat on damage and suppression.
@boixwunder ya me too, but then i remember that even with new guns, the game still is going to lag and not let me actually shoot people with them...
Ill stick with a real game like arma thx lol.
@PrinceJamesI Of course it has range with the slugs. We were using flechette and buck when we reviewed it. I've haven't really gotten into slugs, but I've noticed they're making a comeback in a big bad way, not just on the SPAS. I played a match with a guy that was straight owning with the Saiga. I tend not to use them because I usually only equip shotguns for the cone of metal death, otherwise I have a more reliable go-to in each class.
@gamelord1988 Compared to the regular game and B2K, it is an inferior expansion. I doubt I'll be playing it much either. I feel like they could have put more effort into the game modes. The included modes just don't utilize the maps very well and overall experience is chaotic and tactically sub par for Battlefield. Still, I like that DICE is bringing variety to the Battlefield experience, even if it is a bit of a misfire.
@gamelord1988 I'm sorry man..
@brandolate These weapons are included in the Close Quarters DLC expansion.
@moikyp I avoid such servers.
@KenseiTamasii I spent more time with the M5K over the weekend and am warming up to it a little more. Definitely not as disappointed as I was when we made this video. I still have to work on the SPAS. Everybody's saying slugs, so that's my next stop.
@jonaadams I agree entirely. Well, maybe that's one thing recon can do to help: set-up a beacon in a decent spot.
while i had COD as its soooo boring and mindless.
Ill agree with you and the COD fanboys saying BF or BC2 ripped off COD.
BF1 and BF2 and BC1 especially were amazing and unique. Suprisingly the franchise got popular when BC2 was released and had many similiarities to COD games.Shocker.
Not sure why BF/BC lovers who say they hate COD will keep supporting the franchise as it turns more and more into a COD clone.
@anvilone @Battlefield @EA_DICE *Yeah, trust me, i NEVER have called a gun a "beast". But Spas12 with slugs is a "BEAST" of all beasts. I dont have CQ. But this dude was using it all day on normal maps with all us who dont have it. And it was a massicure. I would buy CQ just for the Spas12 alone. Its a game changer
@anvilone @gamelord1988 *You got connections? Tell DICE to add Free for All. Even tho i hate the aim in BF3. They need BFBC controller sensitivity so game be fun. But add FFA and fix 100% controllet input lag and i never play COD again. Only reason i play COD is cuz FFA. If DICE had ANY common since, they see FFA would help them out. Thats why cod is the best, cuz they got Team games, PLUS lone wolfs like me who HATE team games. Free for All for Life
@anvilone In fact about slug i believe it is some misunderstanding from devs point of view ,if you notice is better to use slug instead of buckshot(buck should wipeout at least 3 of the enemy player in CQ ,especially when they camp(guard) the flag) ,and in fact slug and buckshot had same stopping power,but slug had bigger range which give you advantage .I try a Mass and there is no such thing on it.I mean at CQ maps with Mass buckshot is deadly as spread and stopping power how should be .So i assume after the next patch they will fix this for spas.Tbh i hate when some weapon become overused ed just because is "fashion" to be use.P.S i use for compear Mass just becouse i know it was "nerf" manipulate from devs so by default i think should be fair enough at real state which should be.Cheers
@grove12345BF started back in like 2002. It was called Battle Field 1942. BF3 still uses the same basic model.
Cod is going to have to try to rip off bf3, if they want to beat bf3. If they do this, their atempt will fail worse than anything they have done.
that was probably one of the dumbest things I have ever read. if anything its the other way around dude. BF2 was several years before Mw was when its MP got popular. Battlefield was very popular during 2005 and 06 on pc with bf2 and 2142 which had more close quarters maps in some parts of the maps like inside the titans. Give me some hard facts of how its becoming a cod clone, since its pretty much the exact other way around and has been since day one mw was released. not only that but COD cant do half the things bf has done years and years ago. COD has been the same game essentially the past 5 plus years. BF has had much longer life cycles and greater tech improvements between games and by the time bf3 runs its course they will have at least released two cod's with basically nothing but new skins, maps and guns, Meanwhile bf3 will have alot of great expansions that is not all close qauters. You act like because if this one expansion pack the entire game has turned into cq. Once armored kill comes out, you will be changing you tune, what cqc added was variety to a game that has a lot of flavors already and for some people they are interested in having close counterstike-like game play. Which yes did NOT originate with cod. meanwhile the next expansion is going to have the biggest BF maps ever created. so tell me how is that becoming a cod clone. BF was an online warfare game serveral years before COD was which in reality you cant even call warfare because 8 vs 8 without vehicles and no destruciton is pretty much just a glorified counterstrike for console. Do you see building coming down and choppers being blown out of the sky by jets when your playing cod? didnt think so and guess what that will always be the core of bf just like it always has.. someday when cod grows up and can play with the big boys and has destruction and vehicles guess who it will be cloning? BF thats right you noob, so go get schooled before you puke such utter garabe comments.
@PrinceJamesI @anvilone @gamelord1988"Thats why cod is the best, cuz they got Team games, PLUS lone wolfs like me who HATE team games. Free for All for Life''In this case when you are lone wolf please keep play just c0d mate.BF3 it is a team game and i will be really appreciated if more ppl think like you.Individual skill play c0d want team game come at BF3 cheers.
@KenseiTamasii I unlocked slug a long time ago, but I keep for getting to load it on the SPAS. I'll try it this week. I'm glad they nerfed the MASS. I liked using it before they broke it, so I'm happy that I can use it again. I like the SPAS more than when we made this video, but I think the M1014 is still my favorite shotgun.
@djpetitte +1. While using big maps and vehicles has been the BF staple since day 1, it is unique from most other shooters and it executes the balance of most vehicles well. 32 vs. 32 is just flat out ridiculous, especially in CQC, which is sweatier and more intense yet still reserves some skill. While I feel as though the Engineer class suffers not having anything to fix, the rpg makes up for it, as does the close quarter carbine advantage. I played MW2 for PS3 and I've probably achieved 2 kills. My friends got me ranked up only because they liked my 240hz led TV. I've never played since and I'd rather mouse and keyboard BF3 in triple screen/5760 X 1080 at a superb framerate with SLI and using teamspeak with my friends any day before I'd play MW2, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3. or 2.4.