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14May 13

Originally posted to AnotherSideQuest.com 

 

I've been grappling for a while with what it's like to be a woman in the public eye because it's not as simple as being a video journalist or being a GameSpot employee. It's not as easy as it is for guys. I can't just focus on content creation and being good at my job because I have to consider a whole bunch of other things. Up until twenty minutes ago I thought these things were important, I thought they were proper considerations that I needed to be aware of ALL the time if I want to do this job. Now I think that's bullshit and I'm going to tell you why.

This morning SourceFed host Meg Turney posted up a picture of herself in a push-up bra (I KNOW you want to see this so here you go) and I reacted with disdain. I had such admiration for her as a bisexual, cool, gamer who hosted a fantastic show. She's laid-back and intelligent and a lot of the things I aspire to be in a video journalist. She's also drop dead gorgeous. When I saw that picture I jumped to the same conclusion that a lot of people who aren't men probably did - she's selling out, she's using her boobs to get attention and to garner Twitter followers etc. I went on a Twitter tirade saying she was removing all integrity from her career and proving that she's just another girl who will exploit herself to get male attention - what I said was stupid. Basically.

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Meg Turney's Assassin's Creed Cosplay

She reacted against these types of responses in two different videos and I received a well deserved smack in the face. The things I have come to understand from this industry are mostly things I have gathered as a result of males trying to objectify me or males trying to protect me. Perhaps neither is useful to me deciding who I want to be and how I want to represent that person publicly. I've been told not to tweet about my body in a way that might be misconstrued as sexual, I've been objectified for wearing a low-cut top and many, many more from both sides of the scale but you know what, I'm saying, "No". I'm calling bullshit.

Just because I'm a woman talking about video games to a large sect of grown-up, sensible people and a small sect of vocal sexist pigs does not change how I'm going to act. I'm going to be me. I now believe that as long as I'm not showing up to a bikini to work or tweeting propositions to my followers there's no reason I shouldn't be exactly who I am. I'll dress in high-cut t-shirts some days and others I'll wear the tank tops I'm usually more comfortable in.

I'm not buying into this "women need to act differently to men in gaming JUST because they're women" anymore. It's total bullshit and it's not fair. And, honestly, it's sexist. Whether it's people giving me advice for my own good or just a bunch of assholes objectifying there's no good reason to change myself.

Now I'm not saying I'm going to follow in Meg's footsteps but I don't think women who do should be crucified or be accused of selling out their integrity. Everyone has their own attitudes and personality. If she wants to show off her boobs which she's clearly fond of then who the hell am I to tell her otherwise? Just because she's a woman, she should be more demure lest she be objectified? How is saying that any better than telling women to take off more clothes in a video? I honestly believe it's not.

Women should be okay with talking about their bodies and showing them off if they so choose. Yes, there will ALWAYS be gawkers and weirdos but she isn't dressing that way for them. I never dress that way for them. I want to be able to tweet about my body in a non-promiscuous way without going "Oh but what will the men who follow me think? What if they think it's racy?", I want to dress in a way that makes me happy without a thought to what it might make some assholes on the internet think.

If men don't have to censor themselves I think it's complete shit that women are asked to, or expected to. As I've said, if it's in line with the company with which they are associated (should they be, and I say this regarding my role at GameSpot too) then there shouldn't be separate rules for how men and women conduct themselves.

So, screw it, basically. I'm done reviewing myself as a woman in this industry and I'm going to start just seeing myself as a person in this industry. Besides, that's always how I've seen myself outside of it so why should it be any different? I'm not a girl gamer, I'm a gamer. I'm not a female journalist, I'm a journalist. My views are my own and that is plastered on every social media outlet I find myself on so why am I putting myself and my personality in a box that's seen to be more 'sensible and polite' just because I'm a woman?

I'm really interested in what you guys think. Do you think women in the public eye need to be careful? Should we have different rules? Why or why not? Let me know.

93 comments
wwlettsome
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Three thoughts. 

One, not sure why anyone being "bisexual" makes them cool. Not clear why anyone's sexuality has any bearing on coolness or lack thereof.

Two, if you think men don't have to self censor themselves go talk to any man who's in a successful long term relationship or has a job for that matter.

Three, I cannot offend you. I can do something that you choose to get offended about. That requires your active participation. Instead of people getting all huffy about being offended, maybe they should make the choice to participate in something else.

zvirsky
zvirsky

@wwlettsome True!Nowadays if you say that a girl or a woman is sexy or hot everybody says your a sexist,what the hell,Im just trying ti complimant a woman/girl,I don t know what to say anymore

experience_fade
experience_fade

I agree with everything you've said, however one thought pops into my mind.

Women should dress however they see fit, but I believe there is nuance.

In my opinion, wearing a low cut top isn't the same thing as tweeting a picture of yourself in a push-up bra. Are both okay? Sure, but there's more to it than determining whether or not it's politically correct.

Why would a woman tweet a picture of herself in a push-up bra? I don't know if I like any of the possible answers.

Attention? Showing off? Wanting to be desirable? There has to be a reason, nothing is ever as simple as, "just because." The same can be said for the reason "being proud" of your assets. It's a surface answer, covering up the root motive. Here's a strange metaphor, just in case I'm being confusing. 

"I have problems with making a relationship last."

"Why?"

"I'm an alcoholic."

That's not a reason, in my opinion. Why is that person an alcoholic? That reason would better explain why they have trouble in relationships. The same goes for posting a push-up bra picture on Twitter. "I'm proud of my boobs" isn't the full story, in my opinion.

And that's where it gets a little tricky for me. I am all for women dressing like they want to, but I will always judge them accordingly. There are too many women in every industry who don't tweet pictures of themselves in a push-up bra that I respect. I just can't help but wonder why Meg decided to post the picture.

It's all about motive for me. I'm not sure I could be convinced that there's an honorable one among the long list of less admirable reasons. And even if there was, why should I believe it? I don't know them personally, how can I know they're being honest?

zenstrata
zenstrata

I have no problems with how anyone else wants to dress or present themselves.  If you felt like doing a show in the nude, I would not be troubled by that in the slightest.  In the purest form, you are the owner of your own body.  What you choose to do with it is completely up to you, and should NEVER be dictated by what other people think, (Unless you want it to be!).

I am a very strong supporter of personal freedom and expression.  Sometimes I enjoy wearing jeans and a t-shirt, others I may be in a tuxedo, yet other times I may be wearing shorts and a tight muscle shirt (or potentially no shirt at all!).  These are all my personal choices.  And in some ways these choices are influenced by the people I am around or certain things I am doing.  At the gym for example I am very likely to be wearing a muscle shirt and shorts.  This is useful from a practical standpoint, the tight clothes do not get caught in the weight machines, and help wick away moisture to keep me cool.  But I also get a sense of pleasure from showing off the musculature I worked for to others.

The point is, it is always my choice.  The best thing you can do is work to be comfortable with yourself.  Don't let others opinions force you into a particular mold.  Create your own mold!  You will always run into people who will be angry at you for something or other, and people who will love you for those same attributes.  Just make sure that whatever you decide, comes from your own personal choice.  Do not let others dictate how you live your life.

zenstrata
zenstrata

There is one thing I should probably mention.  There are certain types of clothing that offend me.  Those types are ones which are fairly universally accepted as clothing that symbolizes oppression and a lack of freedom.  The primary modern example I know of this is the Burkha.  While I could understand the need for such clothing in an area where you have regular sand-storms, in most regions this clothing represents a severe form of repression and loss of personal freedom.  It is even currently forced upon women in some nations by the threat of death if they do not wear one!  I find this particularly distasteful because of my strong belief and support of individual freedom and liberty.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

It's about fucking time someone said this.  It's an interesting dichotomy, honestly, that people decry sexism in games every time a girl with huge knockers comes on screen while trying to enforce a sexlessness on women that is equally sexist.  It should be about the characters at the end of the day.  The same is true of real people.  It is the content of their character, not their manner of dress, that should define them.  Seriously, this is the same shit that justifies the "she asked for it" narrative when a girl in a short skirt gets raped.  It's beyond infuriating.

C0c0tina
C0c0tina

Thank you for this. I'm glad that this has been discussed recently (A small tidbit in this month's game informer and every here and there on the internet) without too many people becoming too intensely offended. Yes, we all understand that it's not JUST an issue with the video game industry, it's a problem with all of society. Only, the video game industry has been known for especially denying that a problem exists.

Just because men are ALSO objectified does not make the objectification of women any more acceptable. It's hopefully the start of meaningful discussions between men and women on the goal of equality.

Saketume
Saketume

@C0c0tina  

I'm not entirely sure how you'd define 'objectification'.

Personally I'd have no problem with being seen as sexy. It's something I'd find positive provided they don't judge me solely by my appearance. If they see me as ugly then fine but again don't judge my work after how I look. I do think most people can separate the two (how someone looks versus how someone acts) even if they do comment on appearance.

That said, there are always some misfits who can't behave and say cruel or creepy things just based on what the video presenters look like. I'm sure you've seen it in the comment sections at one point or another. Now, that's an entirely different kind of problem that I'm not sure how to fix other than through better parenting.

C0c0tina
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@Saketume I define it as being seen/treated/represented as anything less than human, which kind of goes along with the semantics of the word: OBJECTification.

And of course, no one hates being sexy. I don't think anyone would argue that. I like to dress sexy sometimes. Sometimes I'll take some sexy pictures. Sometimes it's nice when I get hit on (it depends on HOW it is done).

But I do have to say something about the idea that most people can separate how someone looks and how someone acts. It's a hard issue to argue because you said "most" and so if I provide some life experiences of my own, those aren't "most" people. But then again you can't qualify it either.

So I'm going to have to go with, sure, I think most people CAN separate the two, but I don't think they often do it. It's just easier to determine things like "oh I can see some of her leg, therefor she is a trashy person" or "he has tattoos, so he must do drugs and have no job".  But this is a problem that needs to be addressed in society. We've been working on it for a few centuries and improvements have been made with each generation.

Often times it's the subtle sexism that is the problem. We're all guilty of it (even I am), but that doesn't mean we don't need to fix it. You're very keen to note parenting as a particular solution. I do agree with that. But there's no one place to put the blame.


tl;dr

The word OBJECTification means being treated/seen/represented as an object.

There's nothing wrong with being sexy.

Being bigoted is easy but it's not what we should aim for.

Subtle sexism is a problem too.

Saketume
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@C0c0tina Agreed! (And I don't think parents should take the full blame either. In the end everyone can decide for themselves how they want to behave).

diskotheque
diskotheque

@C0c0tina Thank you for posting this comment. This is exactly the point I was trying to get across to @Saketume during our little mini-debate we had further below in the comments. I was just unable to put it in the right words. =P

ChaosUndivided
ChaosUndivided

One thing I've noticed is that it is women mainly dress up nice because they are more worried about what other  women think of them more then what the man thinks. But then you got to understand that all women are different. What offends one may not offend another. Some feel empowered by half nude photo shoots while others get really upset and think she is selling out. You can't please everyone.

C0c0tina
C0c0tina

@ChaosUndivided I can't speak for everyone but I kind of see it as less of a what and more of a why. It's not an easy thing to decipher so I can see how men often feel as if they're doomed if they do and doomed if they don't. It's about why the women is nude. Is it in a video game so that more men will purchase the game to ogle her? Or is it an image that a women took, trying to have fun with her single life? Is it in a sexy pose or position just to get men excited or is it more of an empowered position that asserts confidence?

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@C0c0tina @ChaosUndivided Basically, is it the DoA cast (objectified) or Bayonetta (completely empowering)?

C0c0tina
C0c0tina

@YukoAsho Both were designed with a sole purpose in mind; for that creepy breed of men to ogle. Strangely that doesn't empower me.


And that's not just me saying so, that's Hideki Kamiya, head director of the Bayonetta.

bluefox755
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Great read author, personal responsibility is certainly not a popular view these days, but a very good one in my book.

Falru
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What really bothers me is that an image like that is just going to point the finger of blame to "sexist" men. Clearly all the men pressured her into doing an outfit like that! Or it was her boss! Or maybe it was the game industry as whole! The last person that ever seems to be held responsible for a way a woman is depicted is the woman herself.

It's almost as if they don't think women are capable of making their own decisions....


(I do hope someone detects the irony in this)

hystavito
hystavito

I forgot to mention, there's also another consideration, the flip side of this, the women that don't look the way that most men consider to be attractive.  I'm not decided on it myself, but one could argue that this makes it harder for them to be recognized.

Saketume
Saketume

@hystavito Both men and women have an advantage in being attractive.

zyxe
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@Saketume @hystavito while there are definitely advantages given to attractive people, period, i think it's more expected for females to be attractive when they're in the public eye. and attractive often translates to wanting them to be considered sexy to a male audience. not always, but i think the standard is applied more to females than to males, whereas it is more acceptable for a male not to be expected to put as much effort or thought into their appearance as it is for a female.

hystavito
hystavito

@zyxe @Saketume @hystavito Clothing factors in as well, there simply aren't as many clothing options (and therefore opportunities) for men to show off their body in many situations.  A woman can wear a lower cut top, but a man can't exactly get away with going shirtless in most situations :).  Of course this doesn't apply so much to photoshoots like the cosplay photo above, but as I said it will apply to most situations.  I don't think I've ever seen a Gamespot video with a shirtless male staff member :).

Saketume
Saketume

@zyxe

It's possible. I'm not convinced it's all that different though. Let's leave it at maybe. :P

Some get hired for their competence others for their charisma or looks. That is for sure. Those who do best are generally the ones who have it all :)

Maybe that is as it should be.*shrugs*

hystavito
hystavito

I think we have to admit something here though, being an attractive woman helps you get attention online, honestly it's just undeniable.  Whether female online journalists (reviewers, bloggers, whatever) intend to use that to further their career/popularity or not, it's going to happen regardless.  Unfortunately I don't see this as a problem with a small vocal minority of sexist pigs, it's going to affect most men.  Sure the vocal sexist ones might say something, others may attack you for it, but the masses of men who remain silent are still going to be drawn to the pretty girl, even if they don't consciously realize it.  It's like hard wired into our brains, we almost can't help it :).  I've commented on Gamespot videos about how good some female staff looked, it's kinda immature and maybe even sexist, but I couldn't help it I guess.  I like to look at good looking women, as do many other men.

So, you don't want to have to be careful about how you dress or the way you talk about yourself, you want to be able to show off your body sometimes if it makes you feel good.  That's perfectly fine, there shouldn't be different rules for women.  But, you have to accept that even though you may not intend it, it's going to have an effect.  Some women may find themselves doubting their professionalism, or doubting their abilities, wondering if it's really just their looks that lead them to success.  Others may never have such doubts, again it's a personal choice.  And, as you said you are going to sometimes be accused of using your looks, and you may not find it always so easy to ignore those accusations.

So go ahead, just be yourself, post sexy photos on your personal social media sites, and let people talk about it.  Just remember that we cannot deny the affect it will have on men, and you nay find yourself questioning where that effect ends and your capabilities as a journalist begin.  You need to be confident enough in those abilities to deal with the possible consequences, both internal and external, of your actions.

bluefox755
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@hystavito So, people are shallow?  Indeed.  I assure you however, it's not exclusive to men.

starduke
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As a read this blog my smile got bigger and bigger. At last, a blog about this kind of thing I can actually agree with!


Saketume
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@starduke She's one of the few gamespot people I always agree with. That's just one of the things that make her so awesome.

khatibi22
khatibi22

@tempertress @zyxe @Saketume Thanks for the tips. As a longtime GS member I do try to consider TOS when I write or comment here but there can always be something one has overlooked. I re-write the comment and if it vanished again then there is nothing I can do.

tempertress
tempertress moderator moderatorstaff

@khatibi22 @tempertress @zyxe @Saketume =[ I don't know what is going on. PM me if you'd like or contact support to find out what on Earth is going on! I'm happy to post it for you here on your behalf if you want to say it and maybe that one won't go away!

GameYakuza
GameYakuza

by the way, how is the situation in australia? recently, two french women got insulted in a bus by a guy for... well speaking french. It didn't put australians in the best spotlight.

tempertress
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@GameYakuza It's bad in places but not nearly as awful as the media makes it look. It's like any other place I think.

Saketume
Saketume

@GameYakuza France long had a reputation of mocking tourists for speaking no french or poor french,

It has probably changed but maybe a bit of poetic justice or karma?! Not nice though.

Meanwhile on buses here in Sweden German tourists assume I speak german. But they seemed nice enough :P and I think I did understand it so.

Saketume
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As a guy I'm not so one dimensional that I judge someone just based on how they look.

I see no reason women can't be professional, intelligent, charming and sexy at the same time.

I don't lose respect for people I see naked and I don't think people who cover their bodies from head to toe are more serious or professional. It's all up to how they behave.

Slightly off topic:

While beauty is important intelligence and a nice personality sure can make people more attractive and few things are as off putting as someone being both dumb and mean.


khatibi22
khatibi22

What happened to my comment:o I posted it yesterday.

tempertress
tempertress moderator moderatorstaff

@khatibi22 I promise you I deleted nothing! It might not have come up for one reason or another.

zyxe
zyxe

@khatibi22 sometimes you have to refresh the page, livefyre sort of craps out every once in a while. i thought my posts were gone but they came back when i reloaded.

Saketume
Saketume

@khatibi22  If you really did click to post there are a few possibilities.

1. Someone deleted it on purpose (most likely a moderator and not an evil hax0r)

2. LiveFyre glitched (happens very often. It's a crappy crappy chat system)

3. It contained a word that got it autodeleted. At least I THINK that can happen because I suspect that's why my description of earlier Wolfenstein games kept vanishing. I was mentioning the big H leader guy.

diskotheque
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I think you made a good decision Jess. Yes, everyone will have different opinions about the way Meg chose to portray herself, but it's her body and she's allowed to do what she likes with it. I'm not sure what word I'm looking for here but I'll go ahead and put it this way - it was very "brave" of you to admit on here that you were wrong, or that you believed you were wrong (since I am sure there are people out there who believe you were right about your original thoughts on Meg).

Personally, I believe the rules for men and women should be the same, but at the same time I think that women in the public eye do need to be a bit more careful, or at least be aware that there are, and will always be, sexist people out there. If you're able to ignore them then go forth with no fear! However, keep in mind that there are those extremely rare cases where a real pervert will fly down to Australia and stalk you. Erin Andrews is probably the best example I can think of. She's an attractive, famous sports journalist who is constantly in the public eye, and a few years ago she had to throw down a restraining order against a 46 year-old male stalker.

In the end, you can't live your life or your career in constant fear, and you shouldn't have to... but this world is far from ideal and as long as there are sexists and perverts out there you need to always proceed with caution. Just carry a really big sword and you'll be fine. =)

Saketume
Saketume

@diskotheque I just want to point out that there are plenty of women who stalk male celebrities. Break in to their homes etc. Restraining orders and all that. Not to mention men stalking male celebs.

I don't think there's a big difference.

diskotheque
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@Saketume There's no need to point that out. I am well aware of those facts and I'm sure Jess is too, and on top of that her post isn't about men in the public eye, but women. I appreciate the fact that you are trying to make a point of being politically correct and non-sexist, but your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand and even focuses attention away from the topic (women) and towards men.

diskotheque
diskotheque

@Saketume I'm not your enemy, Saketume, and I'm not angry. I don't know what would make you think those types of things, especially after reading my blog, although I thank you for reading it. I'm simply standing up for my argument, and you'll learn that sometimes when two people have a disagreement or discussion and each person is strongly supporting their view it can get heated sometimes, or at least give off that vibe. I'm sorry if anything I wrote gave you that impression. If I could give you any advice I would suggest trying not to read so much into things. You're allowed to have your thoughts and opinions but be careful about just throwing them out there so eagerly because you might be wrong. Jess herself was a perfect example of this in her initial reaction to Meg Turney's cosplay.

In the end, all I can say is that the comment I wrote and the viewpoints I shared in that comment were for Jess, and she not only liked it but appreciated it, and that's all that matters to me.

Saketume
Saketume

@diskotheque

Look. I'm not trying to defend any sexes. You're the one who made this a gender thing with your first post.

Yes the article is about how it is for women in the public eye. I got that. You however made it seem like stalking was something that exclusively happens to women.

You're saying and I quote:

"I believe the rules for men and women should be the same, but at the same time I think that women in the public eye do need to be a bit more careful, or at least be aware that there are, and will always be, sexist people out there."

 Then you go on to tell us about how a male stalker was after an attractive female celeb as an example of how they need to be more careful than men.

All I'm saying is that that has nothing to do with gender. It's the same for all celebrities.

Just ask John Lennon, David Letterman, Richard Gere, Stephen Spielberg, Mel Gibson etc. etc.

 I don't need to make my own blog post about it because I was addressing your comment only. You made it seem like a women only problem. It's not. You brought it up and I replied. Simple as that.

Other than that I'm getting a bit worried about you.

I checked your blog and you seem very very angry in general. Is everything ok?

Now I am kind of interested in why you think it's easier for a male celeb to be stalked though.

Seems to me it's a rare occurrence it happens to anyone at all and if it does then it's really bad.


Please take a deep breath before you reply. I'm not your enemy ok?!

diskotheque
diskotheque

@Saketume Uh, stalking IS something that "evil men" do to women, at least where I come from. It's also something that "evil women" do to men, and I'm sure it occurs in the same-sex form as well, although much less frequently. If you want to try and read further into things, into how you think I am as a person or what you think I'm trying to say, then that's your decision. I used the example I did because this article is concerned with women in the public eye and not men, and more often than not it's going to be a perverted guy that stalks a woman, as opposed to a woman stalking a woman. Nowhere in my post did I say that stalking was exclusively happening to female celebs. YOU did in your reply. I simply didn't bring up the topic of males being stalked because that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to point out how similar it is to be a male in public and a female in public (even though I think that is very narrow-minded because I personally believe females, depending on circumstances, have either an easier time or a more difficult time of it than men) but if you feel such a strong urge to defend the male side of things then maybe you should write your own blog post about men in the public eye?

Saketume
Saketume

@diskotheque

The last thing I am is politically correct. Your post just made it sound like it's something "evil men" do to women. Apologies if that was not what you meant but your reply further instills that thought in me.

I'm pointing out that there is little difference being a public male and a public woman. You painted stalking out as if it was something exclusively happening to female celebs. You say it's different for women I say it's not.

Oh and btw there are cases of women stalking women too (if someone didn't know). Ask Catherine Zeta Jones ;)

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