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31May 13
Well, after briefly reading some of the coverage of the Xbox One, I'm left with more questions than answers. Unlike many people, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over the possible scenarios. Rather, I'm just finding myself a little confused and a little reserved in my opinions. I'm curious to see how the proposed features or possible features would affect me. Most of the big sore spots that everyone seems to be fretting over, really aren't big issues to me. I dont normally buy used games and I have high speed internet.
First off, I've never been big on used games. I hate buying a game that someone else has already had their grimy hands all over. I guess I've just had some bad experiences with scratched discs, missing manuals, or just plain greasy cases. Seriously, what the hell do some of you people do with your games? Anyways, for whatever reason, I have the collector gene. I like getting a fresh, unopened game that's in mint condition. Never found the savings on used games to be all that great. Gamestop seems to be the biggest reseller of games, but their deals are just plain awful at times. I'd rather just spend the extra 2 to 4$ and get the game new. Furthermore, almost every game goes on sale at some point. The savings you can get from just being observant far outweigh the paltry savings of buying used. I hardly ever pay full price for any games and can often get new games for 20$ or less. Now, one aspect of used games is not just buying them for cheaper, but selling them back once you're done. I can understand why people would fear losing that. However, once again, this just isnt something I do. I like to hold onto my games both as a collector and for replay.
Now, I'll be honest. I have no idea what MS plans to do about used games. Whether there will actually be a fee for using a used game and who would end up paying that fee. Would it be the institution that sells you the used game or the player with an activation fee? Some individual software developers have already been taking their own steps to cut down on the recycling of games, but it would be a significant deal if the console maker themself took measures. Part of this boils down to the quagmire of intellectual property rights. What do you really own when you buy a game? In my opinion, I think if you buy a physical copy of the game, you should have every right to sell that to whomever you want. However, I suppose an activation fee doesnt prevent that transaction from occurring. It just makes it less palatable. But I'll liken this to another practice that occurs in business -airline bag fees. If just one airline was doing it, they'd lose business. But if most of them do it, we get stuck with it. Microsoft certainly can do whatever the hell they want with used games. But if all their competitors don't charge fees, they're going to look pretty bad.
As for always online, I dont care. I'm already always online. Have had high speed interent for years and can't imagine life without it. This issue is a non-issue for me. However, from a business standpoint, it seems somewhat perplexing. Why would you intentionally limit your customer base? Of the over 70 million xbox 360's sold, I would have to assume that a decent percentage of those people dont have high speed internet. So why would you create a situation that would instantly eliminate them from your customer base? I'm not a business major, so maybe they think it would be more profitable to protect againt piracy and other issues. Maybe they assume that most of their future customers will have high speed internet? Maybe there's some other aspect I'm just missing. But honestly, I have no idea why you would limit yourself.
As for Kinnect 2.0 or whatever it is, I'm absolutely clueless on that. Never got a Kinnect 1.0. I dont like gimmicky controllers like that or the god awful wii controller. As long as the Kinnect is a superfluous feature, then I'm ok with it. Dont mess too much with the regular controller. That thing works like a charm and has evolved nicely over the last few generations. It does what I want it to do. I certainly do need more information on whether this kinnect is acting like a spy camera in my living room. If I'm sitting in my boxers playing games (because let's face it - we all get lazy some mornings), I dont want other players or the MS staff to be viewing my tiger printed underwear. No offense, but that's just for me and my future wife. Disclosure is important and they need to clarify this.
Despite all the facetious bellyaching going on, I think most of these things won't be that big of a deal. In the end, it's going to come down to the games, the price point, and the service. Looking back at the last two generations, both the ps2 and the xbox 360 did fairly well despite atrocious hardware issues at launch. The reason - their large and high quality game libraries. As for this upcoming generation, I'll do what I always do. Wait and see.
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2 Like Even if you don't buy used games, used games impact you, especially if you stated "I like tohorde new games." Look at eBay, look at what some old systems/games have sold for. Requiring an online connection to play and limiting the ability to play used games, effectively removes aftermarket value for you. Maybe you have lots of money today, but a few medical expenses and a lost job later could greatly impact your outlook on life. The ability to sell an old game system for cash would be a nice option at that time. The new systems limit your ability to do that, the new systems are a poor investment option. The investment portion does add value to your system, it does help justify the price you ultimately decide to pay for your games. You may not be paying more for games in the next generation, but you are getting less, alot less.
Im always online, I always buy my games at full retail, and I love the idea of having an improved Kinect Sensor this generation. Im also excited about the XB1s multi-functionality. Basically, XboxOne is the complete package for me.
I can only assume there are tons of people out there just like me. Seems like MS is setting up a console designed for the modern world, and designed with longevity in mind.
2 Like I like buying used games because they are typically cheaper. Some games are even $10-$15 cheaper than a new copy. And Gamestop allows you up to a week to return the game for full price if you don't like it or something happens to it.
As for the ps4 or xbox 1 debate, I d rather go for the cheaper, more powerful, free online, can play offline ps4.
Good points, very much like my own. I do put a lot of emphasis on replay value and I do hoard my games. Except that I don't pre-order out of principle these days. What worries me more is all the things they haven't said yet. Also getting all your games digitally will put an important factor on price rigging. While I like new games I do like to get them when they are on sale. Having watched the sales on the xbox360 in the last year or more, I can honestly say that all MS sale items are still heavily overpriced to the likes of actual CD's on, say Amazon. Best sales available are on Steam.
It still is early days, but I have a very curbed excitement level on all these hyped announcements of the new consoles. The proof in the pudding is eating it and as of yet it hasn't even been on the stove. I will need a LOT more convincing that a lit up living room, or in my case the bed room, is the new exiting next generation gaming experience !!!
I am a wait and see type too and have never bought a console at launch although never say never I guess. I think that there has been a lot of criticism over the XBone at the moment but just because it has some fancy TV bells and whistles it doesn't mean that it won't be a great games machine. On the flipside Sony may be scrubbing a load of TV functionality out of their E3 presentation as we speak.
It's good to know there are some sensible people out there! So many people hear the things from the reveal but because they didn't answer every possible question that the world had, people just assume what they want, instead of waiting for facts!
I am like you, the used game thing has ZERO impact on me. I don't buy used because I want new. I'm a hoarder when it comes to games so I do not loan or sell them until I get rid of the system entirely. Even so, the amount of speculation on this is hilarious to me. MS has said that there is no fee for buying used games. The retailer will pay the developer and MS a percentage, but it wont come out of our pocket. I KNOW people will say the retailer will charge more to cover the percentage paid to them BUT to be honest, as you said, the difference in price is not that great where I live, so they cant really pass that on to us without killing their own used game market. PLUS it is a percentage. If it was a set fee, then we'd lose all the cheap games because the retailer would have to charge the "fee" plus their profit on top. A percentage means that if the game re-sells for $10, MS just gets less... who cares?
The "always online" thing was a concern to me until I found out it was just a "check in" every day thing, and you can still play offline. I am fairly sure the "check in" will just be to deactivate/activate used games from your profile. Speculation, I know, but it seems logical.
Kinect, I knew NOTHING about it because I refused to get one because it is gimmicky crap IMO. Having said that, it comes bundled with the console, so I don't care since I don't have to go out and buy it seperately. You can turn it off or limit it as you see fit so I don't care about the conspiracy spy nut theories. It'll be great for Skype and gaming with friends. Motion gaming.... hell no, thanks.
if a used game is only a couple quid cheaper then i would buy new but i wait until i see it second hand for around £15 - £20. i also check new prices but even when they have been out for six months they are still full price. and as for sales they just dont happen in my town except for the odd games that they just cant shift, because either they came out in the first year or two of the consoles release or its a game that nobody wants. honestly you couldnt give those games away. i find it simply amazing that people that dont buy second hand think that its so pointless buying second hand becuase "you only save £2 - £4" it shows that you really dont understand how expensive games are, for those of us on a low income.
and dont forget Microsoft saying that they want to be that "one" box in your living room, but as has been pointed out, that's just foolish... you still need a cable box, you still need a modem/router, you still need your original 360 if you wanted to play your previous games(and many people still do when there's a lack of new games on new system), etc...
i agree, too many questions, and while i believe you are in the minority when it comes to used games, there are still many people without solid, fast internet connections around the world..
1 Like You should worry about the "features" announced right now precisely because M$ has made quite a poor job of clarifying all the questions raised. It's impossible that they don't have the answers at this point. It clearly seems to be the case that they're testing the waters and, if not enough people throw "hissy fits", as you say, they'll assume they can get away with anything. After the console reaches the market it may be too late to complain about it, and you might be stuck with poor choices (don't buy and miss the exclusives or buy and suck up whatever scheme they concocted). Don't assume it won't affect you, you've got to widen the scope to understand the consequences.
1 Like @makryu ^ This
People need to think beyond their own living rooms and think about the industry as a whole. Just because something doesn't directly affect you doesn't mean it won't indirectly affect you.
I haven't purchased a used game since the PS1 and I have no plans to do so again anytime soon, but that doesn't mean I'm going to look the other way in regards to this issue. There's a principle here and we should all be standing up for our rights as consumers. For me, it's not okay for Microsoft and video game developers to think they can get away with this. They have no right to regulate how I (or anyone) plays video games and they don't have the right to get a cut of second hand sales.
Think about it, no other industry gets a cut from secondhand sales. Not homes, not cars, not pants, not books, not movies, not music, nothing! There's nothing special about the gaming industry.
We as consumers need to stand up and show them that what they're planning is not okay, if we don't it will only open the floodgates to more anti-consumer policies and perhaps open them in other industries too.
@northArrow@makryuhear hear! I think in some aspect we've all had enough of that 'take people for every penny they have', snake oil salesman' mentality our tech industry giants are under.
Can't MS put enough faith in their products to just let the chips fall where they may with consumers, instead of trying to constrict content, limit viewability, and drive hype to gullible and apathetic of the consumer market. Its a bought video game for cryin out loud! not a movie theater ticket
Some will hack their way to seeing what they want to see, but as long as it's not a leaked beta like what happened to Half Life 2 then whats the problem? Most folks will buy new or 'amazon' it as demonstrated by this comment string.
This aggresive DRM push and limited access experience push is beyond developer complaints. It all comes from shareholders foolish misconception that 'its a failure if doesn't sell ten times as many millions as the last successful one did. forgetting the 'actual' consumer value of the product. They can't keep jacking consumers to magically rig first week sales the way they want. It should be about the legacy of the product, not how many kids can we swindle. Otherwise if consoles and games are sold under false pretenses they can never brag how many informed users would have put their faith in their products.
I believe that what you wanted to say in the title is "quandAry".
See also this: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quandry
7 Like But your buying habits are in the far minority, and they cannot apply to new releases all that well. But what do you think will happen when the used market is gone?
Your bargain hunting and waiting for prices to drop will have very limited returns... The reason you can find cheap games that are brand new is because there is healthy competition in the game market, and so there are a range of prices. If there are used copies of GTA5 for sale, the new price must fall a little to incentivize a buyer. If there are no used copies, what do you think you'll be paying?
It's good that you like buying new, but say goodbye to your sale prices and competitive pricing. Regulating the market will regulate the prices. That's what you should be worried about.
@so_hai Woaw now let's not put the weight onto used games as the only gamechanger when it comes to prices, the BIGGEST Gamechanger which is and always has been, are the direct competition between companies, this is by far undebateable.
HOWEVER, I will very much agree that used games can be a factor in and of itself within the individual company, as a used game in a good condition for a good price can be a great deal, but if you pull the price down a notch on a new version of the game, well some people just can't say no, plus everyone wins(The store mostly of course).
@so_hai @Warful Oh but I did agree with you to some extent, I agree that the Preowned games do infact have an impact on the retail prices of the new games and should they be removed from the shelves, the retail prices will stay at higher prices for a while longer or entirely be more expensive because the consumer have no other choice than to get this NEW game or not at all(Which also aligns itself with the statement MS came with, that their consumers would buy ANYTHING).
3 Like I just want to point out, for the sake of this blog, that what Microsoft has confirmed (which still isn't official) is that you'll need to "check in" once every 24 hours.
This does not require a high speed connection. In fact, I've used my phone as a hot spot to connect to the internet with my Xbox 360. Of course, the hot spot is a terrible connection. I once tried to play a game of Madden 13 using the hot spot on my 360, and it was laggy. Really laggy. But I stayed connected, and even if I hadn't, I only need to connect once per 24 hours. That could be done by ANYONE with a phone.
Furthermore, if we're talking about high speed internet limitations, the PS4 is what really should be talked about.
Streaming your gameplay live while you play = high speed, stable internet connection needed.
Taking over your friends game and playing for them = high speed, stable internet connection needed.
Downloading a game while you play it = high speed, stable internet connection needed.
Uploading your clips of edited gameplay onto Facebook or Youtube = high speed, stable internet needed.
Playing a game with remote play using your Vita = high speed, stable internet needed.
Streaming a PS3 (or lower) game to your PS4 = high speed, stable internet needed.
These are literally the advertised new features with the PS4. I can't think of a console that more consistently requires a high speed, stable internet connection to experience any of its features. Sure, you don't need it (which is still not been completely confirmed), but if you don't have one, you basically get a PS3 with better graphics, that has zero backwards compatibility and no new features.
@experience_fade good point! Those PS4 features will need a steady high speed internet connection. Microsoft is just pointing out the obvious that you need to be connected to the internet to get the most out of the Xbox One. I see no difference.
@huerito323 @experience_fade The difference is that the PS4's functionality is optional. You don't have to use any of those features if you don't want to. Microsoft's functionality is a requirement. Even if you have no interest in using any of the features that require the internet on the Xbox, you're still required to sign in.
2 Like @experience_fade But you dont need the net to play sole. All the above are add on and wont be used as much for many
MS says everyone must for everything. So NO to them
@Zid96 Where does MS say "Everyone must for everything". This is just another of the ridiculous uninformed rumours pulled from who knows where... or you're just a lying troll.
5 Like It's not just your high speed internet connection that you need to be concerned about when you make a system always online, or for that matter when you mandate any degree of online connectivity in order to make the console function; you also need to have access to Microsoft's servers--servers which can be hacked into and/or taken down for maintenance, and may or may not exist in a few years once the next generation takes off (remember when PSN was down for months?). In either of those cases, your system would become a brick whether you have Internet or not, and that's a serious deal-breaker for me, as I'm a bit of an archivist when it comes to my games and I like being able to revisit them without being concerned whether I will be able to connect to some servers thousands of miles away from me before I'll be able to play my SINGLE PLAYER game. This is what I see a lot of people continually overlook. Again, it's not just an Internet connection, it's the *servers* too that you need to consider.
6 Like I live in a rural area where internet isn't always the most reliable and online services go down and never mind the fact that once the console's life cycle ends, it will be a brick. Unlike an old NES or Genesis which you can dig out and still play. Though Adam Orth would just say "why would you live there?"
Though I do love the "I don't buy used games" Well pin a rose on your nose. Some games weren't huge hits or are hard to find outside of being used. Sure if it's a AAA FPS it's easy to get a new $20 copy but if it's some niche JRPG, it isn't that easy. Also do you loan games to friends or borrow games? It's going to affect that you know.
Its been confirmed you can play single player offline. While there is the 24 hour rumor but Microsoft came out and said these rumors are inaccurate and incomplete. And we are still awaiting more information. So anything beyond that statement is just speculation
1 Like @stanknuggetz12 The vice president of the company said that if the system goes off line you can play your game for a short while. He is the one that stated it has to check in or it will not work. So your statement is only partly true because they have also stated your game saves are online so how will the save features work if is isn't online for the cloud? Your also making many assumptions that everything is going to work like before but no one knows what the real deal is because MS refuses to answer anyones questions.
While many may have blinders on for the hate, you seem blind to what they really have said. You don't know their plans any better then we do yet your defending them after they make the statements themselves, then come out after the rage and say "well we didn't mean it", but we can't tell you what the truth is either. They are in damage control mode right now because they assumed everyone would be happy just because it says Xbox. We might get answers at E3 if not, MS will fail hard this generation.
Gamespot had an article about the used thing, which explained that you'd be able to sell to gamestop like normal, then gamestop would agree with microsoft to give them a cut of used game profit, and microsoft would wipe the registration. Someone would then buy the game and it would behave like a new one. Nothing really different on the side of the customer aside from perhaps getting less money on trade in (I'd also say used would cost more but gamestop in my experience always charges about 2-5 dollars less then new for used).
At first, I thought this was just microsoft strongarming gamestop into giving them a cut, but now I think different. Depending on the fee, this could be 30-40 bucks(I first expected maybe 5-10, but no more). This would mean you'd probably get a better deal from gamestop then you would from ebaying it, or stuff like that. THIS IS GIVING GAMESTOP A MONOPOLY ON USED. While also giving microsoft a cut. The big drawback with fighting used is if you piss off gamestop, you lose your main selling of systems and new games. Maybe the way to fix this is by trading a monopoly and killing rentals and lending.
IT'S A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN MICROSOFT AND GAMESTOP.
I agree with the first paragraph of your post but you lose me on the second.
I believe that you will be able to lend and private sell games.
I think where people got confused was when the vice prez guy talked about taking your disc to a friend and then after you leave he can choose to activate it. That is not the same as a used game. In this situation you installed the game on his console and you still have ownership on your console. So this means that your buddy can 'activate' the game meaning 'purchase his own copy thru the online store' at a used game price. They can charge less because it is digital download and didn't have to go thru the physical manufacturing process.
7 Like For me, even if I had hi-speed always on internet, I still wouldn't want the Xbone because they blatantly try to shove down all their money grabbing policies down our throats and think they can get away with it. Sad thing is, they have gotten away with it in the past, and look where we are now. Used game fees, AODRM, bloated budget consuming development processes, outrageous microtransactions etc are threatening to shut down this industry for good.
I think all gamers should take a stand, and show the big corporations that gamers are not the mindless consumer-sheep they think we are. We might not have a voice here, but let our wallets speak.
It's only a matter of time until video games go the same way as Movie DVD's and Music CD's, you cant trade them in at a electronics store.
I'm in the same boat as u. Only buy new and have 50mb/sec Internet. I understand a lot of the concern but for goodness sake give Microsoft a chance to come out and clarify. I mean Sony doesn't say shit about anything and they are good guys for it? They confirm things by redirecting you back to an old vague statement that wasn't sufficient in the first place.
25% of complaints come from actual concerned Xbox fans 75% come from ps4 fans and pc fans that would be hating on Microsoft regardless of their reveal.
Just wait till e3 and we will have a completely different picture than what we have right now. Everyone twists words around to support what they think. I never realized how incompetent and ignorant gamers could be.
1 Like @stanknuggetz12 Pulling random percentages out of thin air is pretty silly. I've owned a few ps3s and just didn't use them from lack of games. I've owned many more 360s a few of which died. I also have a kinect and 30mb internet. I dislike nearly all of what m$ is pushing in the next gen just from there anti consumer stance. I buy new and used games depending on quality and pricing. If 75% are ps fans its pretty foolish to think they would all give a crap about this shoddy xbox and its attempts, but from a consumer stance 100% should give a crap about what is being conspired against gamers. My wallets staying shut on next gen with these moves unless they do a 360 degree flip. I'm done buying horsecrap dlc which should have been included in a game, its simple, that publisher is not getting my money for there game or dlc I will not support them. I'm one annoyed gamer of hopefully many who won't support these anti consumer attacks.
4 Like @stanknuggetz12 If you don't care about your rights as a consumer and want to support a company that is really starting to become like EA go right ahead. Used games matter because there is no company on planet earth that sells you a physical consumer product that you don't own and can do whatever you want to within reason. I guess you're ok with leasing Halo 5 but not me.
It's a bit like buying a Toyota and having to pay Toyota $500 bucks everytime you sell your used Tacoma.
Have you also thought about the fact that MS is using Kinect 2.0 to make bucks off ya to sell to their marketing partners?
I had both a xbox and 360 and love halo gears alan wake but to be honest I'd rather switch to Sony since their stance on used games and DRM is a bit more consumer friendly.
If it weren't for a bunch of journalists asking serious question to MS during the reveal they probably would have never said anything about their plan to nickle and dime their customers to death.
I hope you also understand that all the negativity isn't a bunch of fanyboys from Sony. If you have 2 brain cells you can read between the lines to see what is actually happening. MS is starting to become EA... the worst company in the world 2 years in a row for the same reasons.
Sony is probably going to make out well this year. If they keep the PSN free and keep used games I can't see why anyone who actually cares about the industry would invest their dollars with MS if they go this route... but to be honest if at E3 they announce that everything is staying the same I might consider staying. I might not like the company but I do love some of their games.
We don't know the facts yet. Any used game drm quotes or speculation is "possible scenarios" nothing has been confirmed except the fact Xbox one has been designed to support the resell and play of used games. THat is the latest info from Microsoft so anything you've heard in the past is unconfirmed possible scenarios.
Once we know the FACTS of both systems we can make bold statements like yours.
1 Like @stanknuggetz12 the "facts" are that when microsoft was confronted with how they were going to approach the DRM / used games situation they gave 3 or 4 conflicting statements to reporters from various video game news outlets... then after people starting reacting negatively they released a statement basically blaming the very reporters who asked them the questions.
If you can figure this out what they are doing is testing the waters to see what kind of reaction they would get. If everyone would have just said ohhh kinect 2.0 and derp derp look at the CoD doggies I think they would implement these policies.
That being said...Sony has been a greedy corporation like many others and alot of times in corporate America shareholders call the shots. Cash rules everything around me C.R.E.A.M Sony has a much better consumer approach with their free PS network access and they also seem to have better and more realistic policies regarding game development with game studios run by Sony. Like Killzone and some of the other titles Sony runs keep making money b/c Sony is more realistic with how many copies a game will sell... but if you remember in the past Sony has made some very anti-consumer choices much akin to what EA and MS are trying to do..it's just I believe they have learned from their mistakes in the past and understand that thee best way to make money is to just provide a good product honestly.
Also don't believe the MS is just going to do what they want to do just because they have a larger market share in this country.. to be honest untill the Xbone reveal you only heard negative things about MS generally between fans of either console. Now the negativity is real and warrants attention. They understand that as a company but whether they become another EA is something we'll find out at E3... personally I think MS is going to not rock the boat and alienate so many of customers. True gamers are a fickle lot and generally make up what I believe is the most intelligent consumer base in the world. Whether MS believes this or not I guess we'll find out at e3
1 Like Just an FYI, XBOX One does not require an always on internet connection. Here is a link confirming that. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/21/xbox-one-doesnt-require-an-always-on-internet-connection
3 Like @hmriggins This is misleading. It's not always online but it still requires an Internet connection regularly to work, possibly every 24-hours if they continue forward with the DRM system Microsoft Studios VP Phil Spencer has alluded to. It's basically as close as you can get to always online without having to admit to it, which in my opinion almost makes it worse because it creates confusion like this and people start to think it's acceptable when it's not.
To me the Xbox One sounds just like a console that does everything but play games. I certainly hate the always Online and digital download idea. I only get 24 GB of internet a month which is shared between me, my brother and my dad (we all use separate computers) so it gets used up really quickly, usually during the 12th or 13th day of the month. After 6 o'clock my connection speeds slow dramatically and that's just going to completely kill the experience. If Sony doesn't do this I'm certainly sticking with the PS4.
@DamnILoveGames 24gigs a month and you use it up in a third of that time?
Sounds like a shitload of illegal downloading to me.
@Warful @DamnILoveGames No. I watch a lot of videos and my brother is online nearly the entire time. Then my dad uses his laptop a lot for business reasons. I try and avoid downloading anything because that uses it up even faster and my brother and dad complain to me when the connection goes slowly after 6. I'm usually online nearly all the time that I'm at home, as is my brother. Judge me if you want but hey, that's just how it is. I don't illegally download anything because I fear being arrested. As a person whose grown up around their father's business which deals in weapons, I've learnt how to responsibly abide by the law.
10 Like " I dont normally buy used games and I have high speed internet. "
Maybe you weren't a gamer way back in 2011, have horrible memory or are just an xbox fanboy, but you seem to have forgotten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSN_outage
PSN was down for 24 days. If PS3 had required online, it would've been useless for nearly a month. Why couldn't that happen to XB1? Why should it be assumed that no angry gamer/hacker will try to repeatedly keep XB1 offline until always on drm is removed?
P.S. I have a feeling that games will be the only thing inoperable on XB1 if there is no connection, you'd still be able to pop in a movie or wave to make your tv work. Which shows how much they care about and made this thing for gamers.
3 Like @CincoToes Another thing is that sometimes there are service outages. With my old ISP I'd lose my internet for a day or 2 every couple of months. Or if there's a storm or some kind of accident service can be knocked down for extended periods of time. Last time I moved it took over about two weeks for them to connect out internet and TV. So it don't really matter if you have high speed internet you can still lose you connection.
2 Like We both think the same on the used game point in your comments. Biggest problem for me is the lack of BC. I WILL always have to keep the old generation model for replay of games I love. I feel that Xbox One was designed for mostly social media, NOT for pure gaming. The consumer market for MS goes far beyond gaming. I hope that developers still make games for the Xbox 360 in the future.
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