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Yeah, Benoit needs to go to the HoF...

he will never ever go to the HOF as a wrestler he deserves it so much. But if he hadn't have done what he did, roidrage or not he still did it

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The_Last_Ride wrote:
The-Apostle wrote:
Yeah, Benoit needs to go to the HoF...

he will never ever go to the HOF as a wrestler he deserves it so much. But if he hadn't have done what he did, roidrage or not he still did it

I agree, he Benoit needs to be a HOF. If Cena is a HOF, then why Benoit can't have it too?

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tmaclabi wrote:
The_Last_Ride wrote:
The-Apostle wrote:
Yeah, Benoit needs to go to the HoF...

he will never ever go to the HOF as a wrestler he deserves it so much. But if he hadn't have done what he did, roidrage or not he still did it

I agree, he Benoit needs to be a HOF. If Cena is a HOF, then why Benoit can't have it too?

Because Vince nor HHH will ever agree to let him become a part of HOF

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tmaclabi wrote:
The_Last_Ride wrote:
The-Apostle wrote:
Yeah, Benoit needs to go to the HoF...
he will never ever go to the HOF as a wrestler he deserves it so much. But if he hadn't have done what he did, roidrage or not he still did it
I agree, he Benoit needs to be a HOF. If Cena is a HOF, then why Benoit can't have it too?
benoit never kissed ass like cena though and since vince runs it best ass kissers headline it

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Anyone remember when Goldberg was in the E?

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The_Last_Ride wrote:
Anyone remember when Goldberg was in the E?
of course, it was 1 hell of a year when they chose to actually use him right

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baltimore088 wrote:
tmaclabi wrote:
The_Last_Ride wrote:
The-Apostle wrote:
Yeah, Benoit needs to go to the HoF...
he will never ever go to the HOF as a wrestler he deserves it so much. But if he hadn't have done what he did, roidrage or not he still did it
I agree, he Benoit needs to be a HOF. If Cena is a HOF, then why Benoit can't have it too?
benoit never kissed ass like cena though and since vince runs it best ass kissers headline it
I don't think Benoit should be in the HoF, he had a hall of fame career, but you don't reward a murder right. And it's not good publicity, and when Cena goes in, he will deserve much more then many other superstars including Benoit. Being on the top for so long is such a feat, and he has had a hell of career. Benoit was a great wrestler, but he wasn't the best talker or the most charismatic. Cena can wrestle great matches when he needs to.
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Anyone remember when Goldberg was in the E?

Gillberg was better


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The_Last_Ride wrote:
tmaclabi wrote:
The_Last_Ride wrote:
I agree, he Benoit needs to be a HOF. If Cena is a HOF, then why Benoit can't have it too?
benoit never kissed ass like cena though and since vince runs it best ass kissers headline it
I don't think Benoit should be in the HoF, he had a hall of fame career, but you don't reward a murder right. And it's not good publicity, and when Cena goes in, he will deserve much more then many other superstars including Benoit. Being on the top for so long is such a feat, and he has had a hell of career. Benoit was a great wrestler, but he wasn't the best talker or the most charismatic. Cena can wrestle great matches when he needs to.

Okay but once we remove the crime he did, is he still the undeserving guy for HOF? Darn, if there was one heck of a wrestler who I want to be on the HOF, that would be Benoit. Yeah I understand we are in Sports Entertainment, but can't we judge a person on his ring skills and ability other than his charismatic skills and talking skills?

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tmaclabi wrote:
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benoit never kissed ass like cena though and since vince runs it best ass kissers headline it
I don't think Benoit should be in the HoF, he had a hall of fame career, but you don't reward a murder right. And it's not good publicity, and when Cena goes in, he will deserve much more then many other superstars including Benoit. Being on the top for so long is such a feat, and he has had a hell of career. Benoit was a great wrestler, but he wasn't the best talker or the most charismatic. Cena can wrestle great matches when he needs to.

Okay but once we remove the crime he did, is he still the undeserving guy for HOF? Darn, if there was one heck of a wrestler who I want to be on the HOF, that would be Benoit. Yeah I understand we are in Sports Entertainment, but can't we judge a person on his ring skills and ability other than his charismatic skills and talking skills?

true, but don't quote me wrong next time . But yeah he had one of the most impressive careers. Sure he is no Cena, Rock, Austin type. But the guy could outwrestle anyone and always, ALWAYS put up great matches no matter what

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@The_Last_Ride- I tend to become bored so easily so that's why I quoted you Yeah, he can't trask talk, do those great promos but he definitely has the skill. He also worked in many wrestling organizations such as, CMLL, ECW, NJPW, WCW, WWF and the new WWE. Maye that's one reason they didn't make him a WWE Hall of Famer?

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Benoit should never be in the HoF because of what he did. Period. If he hadn't done it, and retired normally or whatever, then yes. He'd probably already be in the HoF by now.
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Benoit should never be in the HoF because of what he did. Period. If he hadn't done it, and retired normally or whatever, then yes. He'd probably already be in the HoF by now.


I'm sorry, but I just disagree. I can't condone what he did, but to keep him out, to completely erase his name, because of what he did is a travesty. He needs to be in. Period.

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The-Apostle wrote:
BurningAegis wrote:
Benoit should never be in the HoF because of what he did. Period. If he hadn't done it, and retired normally or whatever, then yes. He'd probably already be in the HoF by now.
I'm sorry, but I just disagree. I can't condone what he did, but to keep him out, to completely erase his name, because of what he did is a travesty. He needs to be in. Period.

I wouldn't have "Erased" him. Not really effective anyway, everyone knows who he is and what he did. I know his talent was pretty much godmode, but I just feel like you don't deserve to be in there if you murdered your family, even if it were some type of accident due to brain damage.

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@The_Last_Ride- I tend to become bored so easily so that's why I quoted you Yeah, he can't trask talk, do those great promos but he definitely has the skill. He also worked in many wrestling organizations such as, CMLL, ECW, NJPW, WCW, WWF and the new WWE. Maye that's one reason they didn't make him a WWE Hall of Famer?

Eddie is in, and he went to the same orginazations. Same with Jericho. Saturn and Malenko did also pre WWE stuff

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BurningAegis wrote:

The-Apostle wrote:
BurningAegis wrote:
Benoit should never be in the HoF because of what he did. Period. If he hadn't done it, and retired normally or whatever, then yes. He'd probably already be in the HoF by now.
I'm sorry, but I just disagree. I can't condone what he did, but to keep him out, to completely erase his name, because of what he did is a travesty. He needs to be in. Period.

I wouldn't have "Erased" him. Not really effective anyway, everyone knows who he is and what he did. I know his talent was pretty much godmode, but I just feel like you don't deserve to be in there if you murdered your family, even if it were some type of accident due to brain damage.


I also disagree. We are talking about wrestling here and not what a wrestler done to his life and family. If we are going to base it on what happened to his life then the conversation is already over, cause what happened really sucks. So it would be more better if we are going to look on what he contributed on wrestling, cause thats more fair on benoits behalf.

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tmaclabi wrote:
BurningAegis wrote:

The-Apostle wrote:
BurningAegis wrote:
Benoit should never be in the HoF because of what he did. Period. If he hadn't done it, and retired normally or whatever, then yes. He'd probably already be in the HoF by now.
I'm sorry, but I just disagree. I can't condone what he did, but to keep him out, to completely erase his name, because of what he did is a travesty. He needs to be in. Period.

I wouldn't have "Erased" him. Not really effective anyway, everyone knows who he is and what he did. I know his talent was pretty much godmode, but I just feel like you don't deserve to be in there if you murdered your family, even if it were some type of accident due to brain damage.

I also disagree. We are talking about wrestling here and not what a wrestler done to his life and family. If we are going to base it on what happened to his life then the conversation is already over, cause what happened really sucks. So it would be more better if we are going to look on what he contributed on wrestling, cause thats more fair on benoits behalf.

I dunno. It depends. Some guys have done some sh*tty things that are in the HoF, like Flair, and Tyson. The murdering thing just seems like too much to have some kind of HoF celebration over him, especially since it changed WWE forever, mostly for the worse. I can't help but see it as giving Osama Bin Laden some kind of award for the longest Hide and Seek game of all time (2001-2011), even though he killed 3000 people right before that. Granted, Chris Benoit probably just went insane from something and Osama's murders was ridiculous and intentional. Obviously if it were just based off of his wrestling career, he'd be one of the best guys in the HoF. I'm not raggin' on Chris or anything, he's actually still one of my all time favorites despite that, I just don't think it'd be right, though.

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BurningAegis wrote:
tmaclabi wrote:
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I wouldn't have "Erased" him. Not really effective anyway, everyone knows who he is and what he did. I know his talent was pretty much godmode, but I just feel like you don't deserve to be in there if you murdered your family, even if it were some type of accident due to brain damage.
I also disagree. We are talking about wrestling here and not what a wrestler done to his life and family. If we are going to base it on what happened to his life then the conversation is already over, cause what happened really sucks. So it would be more better if we are going to look on what he contributed on wrestling, cause thats more fair on benoits behalf.

I dunno. It depends. Some guys have done some sh*tty things that are in the HoF, like Flair, and Tyson. The murdering thing just seems like too much to have some kind of HoF celebration over him, especially since it changed WWE forever, mostly for the worse. I can't help but see it as giving Osama Bin Laden some kind of award for the longest Hide and Seek game of all time (2001-2011), even though he killed 3000 people right before that. Granted, Chris Benoit probably just went insane from something and Osama's murders was ridiculous and intentional. Obviously if it were just based off of his wrestling career, he'd be one of the best guys in the HoF. I'm not raggin' on Chris or anything, he's actually still one of my all time favorites despite that, I just don't think it'd be right, though.
Am I reading this correctly? Did you REALLY just compare Chris Benoit, who did what he did because of his disease, to Osama bin Laden who killed 3000 people and was a worse person by far than Benoit? Really?



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The-Apostle wrote:

BurningAegis wrote:
tmaclabi wrote:
BurningAegis wrote:

I wouldn't have "Erased" him. Not really effective anyway, everyone knows who he is and what he did. I know his talent was pretty much godmode, but I just feel like you don't deserve to be in there if you murdered your family, even if it were some type of accident due to brain damage.
I also disagree. We are talking about wrestling here and not what a wrestler done to his life and family. If we are going to base it on what happened to his life then the conversation is already over, cause what happened really sucks. So it would be more better if we are going to look on what he contributed on wrestling, cause thats more fair on benoits behalf.

I dunno. It depends. Some guys have done some sh*tty things that are in the HoF, like Flair, and Tyson. The murdering thing just seems like too much to have some kind of HoF celebration over him, especially since it changed WWE forever, mostly for the worse. I can't help but see it as giving Osama Bin Laden some kind of award for the longest Hide and Seek game of all time (2001-2011), even though he killed 3000 people right before that. Granted, Chris Benoit probably just went insane from something and Osama's murders was ridiculous and intentional. Obviously if it were just based off of his wrestling career, he'd be one of the best guys in the HoF. I'm not raggin' on Chris or anything, he's actually still one of my all time favorites despite that, I just don't think it'd be right, though.
Am I reading this correctly? Did you REALLY just compare Chris Benoit, who did what he did because of his disease, to Osama bin Laden who killed 3000 people and was a worse person by far than Benoit? Really?
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Granted, Chris Benoit probably just went insane from something and Osama's murders were ridiculous and intentional.

Think you missed that part. I probably could've used a better, more comparable example though seeing as Osama is essentially a super-villain and Benoit is a tragedy/mystery case.

And we don't know if he had done what he did because of a disease. If we knew that for a fact, I'd see him going into the HoF as somewhat more acceptable. I do think that is what caused it, but it's a bit too late to know for sure. Even with that, a lot of people wouldn't be able to stomach an HoF celebration even over just his career. It's really difficult to seperate the person from the wreslter no matter who that wreslter is. People really don't like to talk about him, it's a shame too, because he was probably the best technical wrestler ever, and had so many good matches/moments.

WWE pretending he never existed at all though is a bad move, though, simply because you can never truly erase history. But I suppose murder in any form is serious enough to break the 4th wall between the wrestler and the person for the WWE to completely erase him like that.

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