Kenny is quite possibly the worst character in video game history *spoilers*

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Frost_Man posted...

That really wasn't in cold blood at all. The guy had suffered a heart attack. Heart attacks require immediate medical attention and don't exactly have a high survival percentage rate

Errrr... Actually, a lot of people have heart attacks AND DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD ONE. Even then, counting only major heart attacks without medication, the worst percentage I've seen is 1 in 10. That's a 90% chance of survival.

Also, there are three people in a tight, closed room. When Larry gets up growling, THEN you bash his head in. I have no problems with standing guard over him holding the brick until he wakes up (insensitive, but SAFE), or tying him down while he's unconscious, but smashing the head of a living person is uncalled for.

ESPECIALLY because, earlier, when Larry said "if Duck has been bitten we should kill him before he turns" Kenny FLIPPED THE **** OUT, despite the fact a bite is GUARANTEED to turn you into a Zombie, and a heart attack MIGHT turn you into a Zombie.

That was the worst thing Kenny did. And Kenny has refused to help me EVERY chance he got.

Okay.

So let's say Larry survives the heart attack. THEN what?
He can't do anything without medication. He will literally sit there, being useless, until he collapses and dies.
This is all ignoring the fact that what happened to him? NOBODY'S fault but his own. He KNOWS he has a condition. He KNOWS screaming and pounding won't help anything. He didn't listen to anyone, and his own stupidity caused his downfall.

Oh, and remember how he tried to KILL YOU the first episode? And KENNY went back to save you?

It kinda says something how people will turn against Kenny despite the fact he doesn't try to harm you at all even if you disagree with him at every turn, yet still try and support Larry despite his absolutely completely irrational hatred of Lee.
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Oh, you're just going to "get out of there." Toting a 250 pound barely-alive angry old guy through a farm of angry hunters, and walkers.

... Is that ass REALLY worth that trouble, guy?

And it wasn't a matter of "might" turn. He is dead and his head is intact, he WILL turn. They know the rule now, it was only a matter of time.

The case at the farm was understandable. Kenny helps his son. He's obviously going to want to do a quick check and make sure he's okay. He's mentioned his son was attacked before, he's not going to want to take chances. And this goes hand in hand with why I chose to help Duck over Shawn: I would expect the grown man with access to both arms and a bunch of building materials in arm's reach to defend himself better than the child who's grabbed from behind and can't do anything.

The case in the pharmacy was entirely different. Duck was perfectly fine, just a little scuffed up. Everyone there could plainly inspect him and see he was okay. And what even happened after they found out he was okay?? Larry STILL wanted to toss you out to the goddamn walkers!! Do you HONESTLY blame Kenny for losing his **** at him?

Larry is a bigger threat to the group than Kenny could ever HOPE to be. And I will never understand people who could want to help HIM over Kenny.
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He wasn't dead yet. Until he dies, it's still a MIGHT.

Heart's not beating. CPR not working. Won't survive for even a few minutes without medication if by some bizarre chance CPR would help.

He's DEAD.

No it wasn't. He helps his son first, okay, fair. Then he looks at Lee and says "Sorry" and runs away. He KNOWS what he's doing is messed up, he just doesn't CARE.

His kid was SAFE then. Hand him to the wife and help the other guy. Considering this is the guy's HOME that he was offering to you as Sanctuary, it is the LEAST he could do.

... Okay, I'll give you this one. I only just realized Katjaa was outside too, she could've just passed Duck off to her and gone back. Maybe all this happens a lot more quickly than the game shows us, who knows.

Nobody knew that for sure yet. We didn't know IF he was bitten or not. When you argue against killing Duck right away, Larry asks you "What if he IS bitten?" If you agree that if he is bitten (i.e. GUARANTEED to turn) that we should kill him then, Kenny FLIPS OUT.

So to recap: When someone he likes is DEFINITELY going to turn Zombie, Kenny doesn't believe in dealing with it. When someone he DOESN'T like MIGHT turn Zombie, Kenny bashes his head in with a brick.

To repeat: Kenny is selfish. He cares for himself and no one else.

Except not even a minute or so into the scene, Katjaa is done examining him and says he WASN'T bitten. So yes, they knew. And what does Larry say? "EH TOSS 'EM OUT ANYWAY" like a douche. And Kenny is understandably mad. Are you honestly not? Are you saying it'd be better to go back out there and take your chances?

So to recap: I find Kenny to be the lesser of two evils (when he actually is making a questionable choice) and could EASILY support him over the bigger threat to the group.

It's not either or. Helping Larry doesn't kill Kenny.

And they're BOTH equal threats to the group because they BOTH put their personal needs over those of everyone else.

Helping Larry shows ignorance. You don't have to look far ahead at all to see he wouldn't make it. Kenny gets so much flak in that scene simply for being the only guy who calmly explains what will happen and how to avoid it. And agreeing with the logical choice makes you a monster. I'll never understand it.

As far as I'm concerned, Larry became the biggest threat this game when he actually physically outright tried to kill Lee. If it were up to me, I'd wring his goddamn neck the second I got out of the pharmacy. You could be Kenny's polar opposite that entire episode and he will NEVER pull that **** with you.
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We don't know that. We don't know WHAT would happen because Kenny BASHED HIS HEAD IN BEFORE WE COULD TRY.

Here's the thing, there is no risk is doing CPR. I have no problems in bashing the heads in of someone who is turned or even DEFINITELY going to turn. But while it's a MAYBE, you try and save him.

Again- CPR, IF it worked, would be an EXTREMELY TEMPORARY FIX.
HE WILL DIE WITHOUT MEDICATION (That NO ONE HAS.)

HE WOULD DIE. NO MATTER WHAT.

And you'd STILL try? For what possible reason? So he can whine at Lee and try to kill him again? Is this ass REALLY worth your effort?

I could MAYBE agree with you if this was a character even remotely worth liking. Like, let's say this was Mark here. I totally liked Mark. I would've definitely tried to help him, and I'd give him a fair fighting chance. But Larry? Hell no. You forfeit any right to my help when you goddamn attacked Lee and left him for dead.

There's no way around it- attempting to save him is a waste.

Not the point.

My argument to Larry AND Kenny was first we find out if he's bitten and THEN we react appropriately. But if he IS bitten, then killing him is the right choice.

Kenny FLIPPED OUT. If Duck WAS bitten, killing him would NOT be acceptable for him at the time. Whereas Larry, who HASN'T turned and there is no GUARANTEE he will turn, Kenny bashed his head in.

A very reasonable argument. But you know who was being significantly more reasonable that scene? The guy who wanted to wait and see if Duck was okay, or the guy who wanted to toss you to the walkers without even bothering to wait?

IF Duck was bitten. Which he wasn't, after an examination concluded so. On the other hand with Larry, it is an undisputed FACT that the group knows, that a dead person with their heads intact will turn. Larry is dead, fact. Larry's head is intact, fact. Ergo, Larry will turn. Kenny calmly and rationally explains all this, but oh no! He's the selfish monster! -sigh- Honestly.

You don't have to look far ahead to see that all of humanity is likely to be extinct after this. Might as well just kill everyone, right?

And while Larry is vile and a douchebag, I'd say an argument could be made for Kenny being worse if only because Kenny ACTUALLY got you kicked out of the only seemingly safe place in the entire game. Simply by being a heartless, selfish bastard.

And again, if Kenny doesn't like you he will NOT save you in any of the instances when you are in trouble. He just freezes up and stares at you.

His needs, his wants, his beliefs. That's all that matters to HIM.

The difference is, some dopes will get you killed sooner rather than later.

I'm sorry, I must be missing this- Where did Kenny get you kicked out of, exactly?

IF Kenny doesn't like you. I'd probably not like the idiot in my group who insists on making all the stupid choices as well. If you listen to Kenny and (not even all!) his choices, he's probably the best ally you can have.
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Untrue. The highest odds I've seen for heart attack lethality without medication is 1 in 10.

Really. Because guys can survive if their heart isn't beating, CPR isn't working after a couple of minutes, and they have no access to any real medical attention? What sort of miracle world do you live in?

He's still a PERSON, douchebag or not. He's still Lily's father. He's still human and alive. Why NOT save him?

He gave up ANY right when he tried to kill Lee. Then he just became a liability. You can take the moral high ground now, but let's leave you to die and see if you still feel the same way when you come crawling away from a dozen hungry walkers' mouths.

Kenny isn't the guy who wanted to wait and see if Duck was okay, I WAS. Kenny was the guy who wasn't letting anyone touch Duck NO MATTER WHAT.

They were BOTH being idiots.

And then, when Kenny bashed Larry's head in, he was also being a HYPOCRITE.

?!?

Katjaa was ALREADY inspecting him! From the moment they got inside! If Larry got his hands on him, it would be to (A) kill him, (B) throw him outside, or (C) Both of the above! Kenny didn't want Larry to touch him for THAT reason, that's why.

When Kenny bashed Larry's head in, he was thinking ahead and doing everyone a favor. I will not fault him for that.

No. HE ISN'T. Neither morally, nor medically, nor legally. Larry was NOT dead. He may have died, he may have lived, but the moment Kenny bashed his head in? He was ALIVE.

Kenny killed Larry. He didn't kill a Zombie, he kill a living human being.

Heart not beating and resuscitation failing together mean DEATH, yes. The corpse doesn't have to be cold (and in this world, waking up hungry) to mean they're dead.

First episode. By grabbing Duck and running instead of helping you with the farmer's son, he got you kicked out of the only seemingly safe place in the whole game.

... Wow. You blame KENNY for that?? Guy, YOU chose who to help. You got no one to blame there but yourself. If you wanted Hershel's approval so badly, then go help Shawn. And even if you don't, Kenny STILL gives you the ride to Macon. But yep, you keep thinking he's a selfish dude.

If, in the first episode, you go against Larry in every step of the conversation UNTIL he asks "What if Duck IS bitten?" and then you agree that if that were the truth then we can kill him? That is enough for Kenny to leave you for dead.

And yeah, if you're his lapdog, he will save you. If you ever disagree with him? He will leave you for dead. How are you disproving the fact that he is a selfish hypocrite exactly?

Heh. His lapdog. I never agreed with him on everything, but he still always comes to my help. If you disagree with him constantly, then yeah, he'll have it out for you. Which, again, I don't see why you would, when he's more often than not the voice of logic and reason.
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Errrr... You don't get a chance to perform CPR because Kenny bashes his head in first.

Did you miss that Lilly was doing CPR on him since the moment he collapsed?

He did that to me as much as he did that to you.

Again, being a douchebag does not make him less human.

And if you want pragmatism, helping him will ensure Larry and Lily are on your side FOREVER... Hell, even trying to save Larry and failing would have ensured Lily didn't go bonkers, kill someone and leave.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. You can be the better man, but I'd prefer to be the living one.

I've said this a million times, no idea how to make it clearer:

Kenny refuses the idea of killing Duck EVEN IF DUCK IS INFECTED.

Obviously not a problem that anyone has to deal with at the moment, nor do I blame him for taking that standpoint because he's the damn kid's father. But even in the third chapter, you can play the good friend and talk him into doing what's right, something I figured Lee, as his good friend, would have no problem doing.

Perfectly reasonable. Not the selfish monster you people make him out to be.

And what about if resuscitation ISN'T failing?

You got some sort of sign to show for that, guy?

How could you NOT? Kenny refuses to help Shawn NO MATTER WHAT.

The very FIRST situation where Kenny is faced with putting someone else's needs above his own, he runs away.

He does the same EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME.

I blame him for not helping Shawn, sure. But I won't put the ENTIRE blame on him for getting us kicked off Hershel's farm. It was still YOUR choice at the end of the day.

Logic and reason? "I don't like this guy, leave him to die!" is real logical when you need everyone's help and loyalty. "Weh, weh, I want more food!" is real logical when you're running low. "He's definitely turning Zombie? Can't kill him cuz I like him! Oh this guy might turn Zombie? Bash his head in cuz I don't!"

Kenny isn't logical or reasonable EVER. His persuasive tactics are loud and boisterous. He is the writer insert that pushes the plot whether you like it or not. Logic and reason don't matter.

I ALWAYS looked out for him and his family, I just look out for OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL and he's left me for dead EVERY chance he got.

What "I don't like this guy?" Larry? Yeah, he's DEAD and WILL TURN. The LOGICAL choice. So you destroy him.
I don't even know where you're getting whining for food from... EVERYONE is whining about food. For chrissakes, Clementine is whining for food. You gonna call her a selfish little ass while you're at it?
Larry was a danger and had to be destroyed. This is ignoring the fact that he's also a dangerous prick that no one liked. Duck's turning was a lot more tragic. I don't even know how you can compare the two.
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That honestly does not count. She could have tried for a year, wouldn't have done a thing. Nothing works until I come around to do it. That's just games.

... Because, "gameplay?" I see.

Loooooooooong after being bitten... And even then, Katjaa basically forces him.

Larry goes unconscious and Kenny bashes his head in.

DO NOT pretend this is about being a Zombie.

Again with the medical terminology! "Unconscious" implies that his heart is still beating and he's still alive!

Game's choice, not MINE.

Btw, as for logical and reasonable, how about saving and saying hi to a Zombie?

You're only the guy playing it, of course.
... Annnnd you lost me again. What zombie did he save?

Isn't that the same excuse Larry gave for trying to kill Lee?

Yeah, with Lee having done absolutely NOTHING to him in the first place. Let me state this again: You are defending a guy who tried to KILL YOU. For NOTHING. After you risked your ass to SAVE HIM.

How does that even make sense? If you choose to save Shawn he dies because Kenny doesn't help, thus resulting in all of you getting kicked off the farm. There's no choice that lets you stay on the farm, and the only choice that might have resulted in that is taken from you when Kenny refuses to help.

I could also put the blame on Hershel for choosing to ignore the threat entirely.
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