Xenoblade Vs. Last Story (Graphics)

Big_Isaac posted...

TLS? unique? ... wow

I generally disagree with anyone who says that this game is one of the best on the Wii. the flaws are just so plentiful and glaring.

normally, I wouldn't comment on this here, since it's off-topic, but you just called the romance in TLS one of the best in any video game. my god.
for someone who said he has played so many rpgs, your standards sure are ridiculously low.

what the romance in TLS is is a repeat of Romeo and Juliet, which is another one of the worst and most unrealistic romance stories ever made.
how can you prefer that over (for example!) Zidane + Garnet in FF9 or even Shulk + Fiora in Xenoblade?


...btw, I can already hear the trolls pawing the ground ready to charge at me with "It's his opinion. deal with it"
this isn't an excuse. an opinion without reason is worthless. if you want to have your opinion taken seriously by others, then you HAVE to justify it. otherwise it's just 2 people yelling "It's good!" "no, it's bad!" "no, it's good!" at each other over and over again.

Or is called different tastes, just because you dont' agree doesn't mean another one's standards are low but obviously you fail to understand something so blatantly obvious. Also muramasa to me it was a VERY BAD game played it for like an hour and threw it away afterwards, Xenoblade I'm enjoying a lot but still TLS seemed better.

When you say TLS is nothing but a Romeo and Juliet you obviously have no freakin clue what your talking about. You don't even know the basics of the book Romeo and Juliet. Just to give you a few tips about it. In Romeo and Juliet, both characters are nobles caught in between the strife of 2 noble families. In TLS Zael is no noble (and doesnt' even have a noble past), in TLS there's no struggle between 2 families, in fact there isn't even a family there, there's just a count avid for power. Secondly Romeo and Juliet has a tragic ending while this game has a very sweet ending, with a good closure and finally a game where the wedding actually happens and is not leaving things to the point where people start to talk debate whether or not they married or became a couple.

Without meaning to sound harsh YOU MY FRIEND are being 100% clueless.

Also i never said the romance in TLS was 100% original, i said it was well written and does that have to be real?, no I dont' care to see in a romance a real romance that would be too boring, would imply going to work and doing nothing but boring stuff. However given the settings, was the way their relationship developed reasonable?, yes very much so, but again for someone who believes the TLS romance between Zael and Calista is nothing but another Romeo and Juliet I dont' expect you will be able to understand my point.

In another order of ideas, this guy Thanatos2k is hilarious, everything he says he claims is a fact and he TRIES TO have an atitude of the allmighty know it all guy =)), bro get over yourself not everything you say is a fact and not everything you might find on the internet posted as a fact is necesarily a fact lol.
You are biased towards certain things without even realizing you are, most people are including myself have just stated an opinion and u started bashing on them as if we are by default wrong for EVEN having an opinion that's different than yours. Get over yourself bro

Big_Isaac posted...

their development was "reasonable"? they know each other for a grand total of 5 minutes and instantly fall in love. there's no development at all. this is the first parallel to Romeo and Juliet, btw. Star Wars attack of the clones works, too. even Twilight, if you want to stoop that low.
the convenient social implications that prevent them from being together is the 2nd hint. being from enemy families, one being a Senator and one being a Jedi knight, one being human and one a vampire or indeed, one being a noble (already engaged with another man) and one being a commoner. it's the same bloody thing.
there's a convenient social gap between the 2 lovers that is seemingly impossible to bridge. because of that obstacle, we're supposed to instantly care about them because it's oh-so-tragic.

There's no reason given why they should love each other, other than the fact that they are physically attractive to one another. In a well-written romance story, the 2 characters would develop. they would start out as strangers or friends and, over time, develop feelings for one another. here? there's nothing.
exactly why should I care about a romance when the only possible thing that could motivate both characters is lust?

They didnt' fall inlove right from the start and there are reasons if you wanna go into details. First of all she was sheltered and nobody pretty much cared to actually get to know her for who she was beyond her title, Zael didn't knew she was royalty and treated her very well, he had a knightly behaviour and defended her even on their first day. Did I say the story is realistic, I don't remember saying that, I did mention it was well written and I stand by that, why because is a very beautiful story.

So go right ahead and believe what you want, if you wanna make parallels, almost every romance in the world can have one similarity with Romeo and Juliet, basically the fact that there's Love involved O_o, but that doesn't make it a Romeo and Juliet clone, I don't care about Twilight, seen the first movie and didn't bother with looking deeper into the story since is not to my taste, and Star Wars is not a movie, book or arc known for it's romance lol =)). Anyways your comparison to Romeo and Juliet is completely stupid even your argument how their relantionship is prohibited falls flast since in chapter 32 they almost get married due to an arranged marriage by the count so again your comparison is out of place, just because 2 people are inlove doesn't automatically should dismiss the story as romeo and juliet clone when there's not much else to have in common. Also if you think that in their cases their relantionship is based on nothing but lust I have no comments in that aspect but obviously if that's the only thing you understood from the story there's really no point in argueing over it.

Also you reffered to another romance being more real and better written, there's no problem with that, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that doesnt' mean that someone having a different opinion than yours is automatically wrong or has low standards lol, anyways I'm really getting the feeling your not even going to bother reading nevermind understanding lol.

Also bottom line is that I have no idea what it was that you actually disliked so much about it, that pushes you into insulting others for actually liking it but I'm not going to argue back and forth with you over petty opinions, you wanna think TLS romance is bad, go right ahead, is not like is going to change the fact that i very much enjoyed the game and the way their story was written. You wanna convince the people on this forum that the story is badly written, go right ahead obviously theren's nothing stopping you but let's be realistic here, if people enjoyed the game they won't change their opinion because trolls like you try to make the game look bad.

I wasn't going to comment to your response isaac but I want to state a few things

you obviously don't understand a simple thing, when you love someone and the love is real everything else around you pales in comparison to that one feeling. The fact that he actually puts calista above everything else IS PRECISELY WHAT MAKES THE story more believable and more human than those other perfect heroes who are inlove but despite loving they place the world and everything around them above the one person they love.

Reality is not like that pal, maybe when you'll finally learn what love is yourself you will realize and understand the story a bit more. The Last Story is more of a love story and than a save the world quest. The fact that he ignores dagran when he is warning him that he puts all their future at risks if he choses calista and have him still going after her igonoring his warning is proof that his feelings towards her are not just based on lust.

When one loves another logic doesn't apply, sure it might've been more important to stop the war, which it was for zael as well, but the fact that he is ready to do anything for Calista is what makes the story special. The story was DESIGNED to be focused around Zael and Calista and not on the war. If you think their romance deviates from the story than your not understanding the main point, THEIR ROMANCE IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE GAME AND THE MAIN story therefore is only normal for the game to focus on it.

Than if this game is so badly written and such an epic fail game, why don't you do yourself a favor and do us all a favor by stopping this and go comment on something you like and enjoyed instead of trying to spit dirt on a game a lot of us have enjoyed.

I never understood why people spend so much time on trash talking something they don't like or simply just trolling for the sake of trolling. Isnt' it easier to go and spend time with something that you actually enjoyed instead of wasting time trash talking?

Sure same thing can be said about the ones that defend the game such as myself, but I liked the game and found it very enjoyable, was it predictable? yes for the most part it was, did it had cliches in it? yes it did, did that stop me and others from enjoying the game?, no it didn't. And there's not a single thing you can say that will change the opinion of the people who enjoyed the game, so why don't you just go spend your time on subjects you actually like. You are like those trolls on youtube who search for music videos of certain games and start commenting on how bad the songs are. If the songs are so bad than why do they search them on youtube?, the answer is simple : is simply for the sake of trolling.

The exact same thing applies to you bro, you bring nothing into the subjects but biased opinions which is fine but when you are trying to bash on the people who actually liked the game or claim the game is bad as if it is some world known fact there's a problem and your not just stating an opinion but are looking to troll, if you are not really a troll than you will stop this and move on instead of bashing on a game a lot of us have enjoyed.

Futhermore if the game was a bad as you claim it to be it wouldn't have had such good reviews by several websites.

Peace out.