Who's better vampire lds. or werewolves Get ready for the fight of the century!

LordTalyn posted...

WyvernLord17 posted...

Assuming that this goes down away from the sun, it's pretty close. VL can just ragdoll the WW to death with Vampiric Grip spam, but if the WW can call pals, it's over.

In the sun, the WW wins, no contest.

It basically boils down to the VL being able to exploit the WW's main weakness: range. If the VL can keep his opponent away, he will win. If not, the WW shreds it.

The sun is actually....not that big of a weakness.
As for the WW palls.....those can be most likely 1 shotted with drain life. They are about on par with gargoyle summons...which will ensure the vlord extra health.
And unlike the Extra werewolves...the gargoyles can be spammed.

ooo ouch go easy on them LordTalyn

ok I'm back I did test a few things
1. you can't grip WW
2. you can't paraylze WW
3. those WW NPCs are stupid and slow
4. you can table glitch WW NPCs easily
5. mist with the little bats circling <(don't rember name of ability it does extra damage and drains health) then VL with mist sucks alot of health away and VL regains health next reflex out of combat find hiding spot eather way you fight dont matter as long as you win (in form) you know and enter combat repeat and for close calls can use bat amulet mixed with ability and its .... its just gravy I mean you literay can't touch him and if WW do some how have the WW brotherhood ability active you can't use the hunt ability
and VL while reflexing would be behind WW for a final hit or just to toy with him or in front of WW heck in the shadows because the WW can not see in dark if the NPCs find VL but VL already killed those NPCs in begining when he reflexed WW has timer on that thing while WW is running around looking for health and will eventualy run out of bodys and VL is on top of structure. if WW gets on Structure reflex out to bottom and drain his healh and reapeat mist and reflex later to do same as before and yes would take a while but would eventaly sucome to his fate eather out of boardam or death well thats all I can muster for now (rember this is a fake fight does not matter any way because you would never see a WW Summon or do any ability as VL in game)

Van_Of_The_Dawn posted...

The atro stone with breton blood and alteration perks absorb all magick, period.
If the timer runs out i have ring of hircine.
Howl of fear detects creatures.
And really? Using revert form is stupid because as you revert I can maul you, or run away wait and comeback sneaking just as you would. Spammable gargoyles are just fodder to a power attack. And if you wait for my transformation time to run out, you're basically waiting for sun up cuz a WW can eat just about anything, has 2 extra transformations, and ring of hircine.

that would take WW about 13/15 secks enough time evelop WW in drain health ability and takes about 2 secs (never tested a close gess) for VL to use you know because PC have to go to your menus for hircines ring ability 8/10 secs about 5 for transformation

WavyNoobSauce posted...

WyvernLord17 posted...

Assuming that this goes down away from the sun, it's pretty close. VL can just ragdoll the WW to death with Vampiric Grip spam, but if the WW can call pals, it's over.

In the sun, the WW wins, no contest.

It basically boils down to the VL being able to exploit the WW's main weakness: range. If the VL can keep his opponent away, he will win. If not, the WW shreds it.

The sun makes no difference with Blood of the Ancients VL's regen all three pools not just health from life drain and bats. VL's can also call pals that cannot be ragdolled as well.

realy you can shoot out sun frow distance you with (SPOILER) aurieals bow and it is dark and VL can see in dark

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worldmind posted...

Savagegatts posted...

so you have a werewolf with a lot of hp and DR I still think if a VL waited long enough you would be defenceless due to your timing on the WW form I mean No armor = dead you know

Should be able to keep Armour in WW form
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615803-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/64160471

I mean when your back human again when your form goes away

WavyNoobSauce posted...

Van_Of_The_Dawn posted...

The atro stone with breton blood and alteration perks absorb all magick, period.
If the timer runs out i have ring of hircine.
Howl of fear detects creatures.
And really? Using revert form is stupid because as you revert I can maul you, or run away wait and comeback sneaking just as you would. Spammable gargoyles are just fodder to a power attack. And if you wait for my transformation time to run out, you're basically waiting for sun up cuz a WW can eat just about anything, has 2 extra transformations, and ring of hircine.

Can you pick a totem though? WW's can't use all their powers like VL's can so either you summon or you detect bro. All summons are fodder even the 2 werewolf summon, but the difference is we can spam ours unlike WW's. Noone can wait in the middle of combat, and maybe you should look up VL's before you say wrong things, if revert form is used during reflexes then I can still move around and function and the reverting is instant. Try it yourself if you want.

worldmind posted...

Savagegatts posted...

so you have a werewolf with a lot of hp and DR I still think if a VL waited long enough you would be defenceless due to your timing on the WW form I mean No armor = dead you know

Should be able to keep Armour in WW form
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615803-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/64160471

Outdated glitch.

what do you mean a new update I missed I am sorry if so I have to use another houses Enternet

Its not realy fair to say revert form when WW can't do that the Refere says