Ulfric / Tullius is the Leader Skyrim Needs!!
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Nov 17, 2012 9:54 pm GMT
Sorry Rebel dint read the part by the link.
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Nov 17, 2012 9:56 pm GMT
Apex1619 posted... I would rather live and be able to easily worship in secret and someday be able to openly worship again than Openly worship and die
This is why you are a coward. If you knew the truth you would just easily crawl back into the shadows? its people like you why the world doesn't progress.
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Nov 17, 2012 9:56 pm GMT
So while we agree that the Dragonborn is truly the cause for either side to win...
No. The Dragonborn's intervention will result in a significantly more rapid victory for either side (depending on the faction he/she chooses to side with). It will only change which side is going to win if the Dragonborn sides with the Stormcloaks.
Without the Dragonborn's intervention, the Empire will win (they don't even have to do anything major - attrition will do it for them - but they can launch a major offensive if they so desire). I would estimate a couple of months for the Stormcloaks at the most based on available resources. It could be a bit more, it could be a bit less. Tullius, however, is in clear control of the tactical side of the war.
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Nov 17, 2012 9:59 pm GMT
Well I would not.
I would like to be able to worship who I want, when I want.
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Nov 17, 2012 10:00 pm GMT
Brenz0r posted...So while we agree that the Dragonborn is truly the cause for either side to win...
No. The Dragonborn's intervention will result in a significantly more rapid victory for either side (depending on the faction he/she chooses to side with). It will only change which side is going to win if the Dragonborn sides with the Stormcloaks.
Without the Dragonborn's intervention, the Empire will win (they don't even have to do anything major - attrition will do it for them - but they can launch a major offensive if they so desire). I would estimate a couple of months for the Stormcloaks at the most based on available resources. It could be a bit more, it could be a bit less. Tullius, however, is in clear control of the tactical side of the war.
Even if what you say is the truth, you said it yourself the Dominion would indirectly aid Ulfric until they know they could win the war with the empire. If we must consider who is the greater general, who exactly is the one that has the dominion in the back of their mind?
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Nov 17, 2012 10:00 pm GMT
josnkae132 posted...Apex1619 posted...
I would rather live and be able to easily worship in secret and someday be able to openly worship again than Openly worship and die
This is why you are a coward. If you knew the truth you would just easily crawl back into the shadows? its people like you why the world doesn't progress.
Being smart is a being a coward. Being practical is not cowardice it is knowing when you can win and its better for everyone. Stormcloaks win short term Skyrims happy long term taken over by the Dominion Talos is outlawed again. Empire wins short term some people are upset long term the Dominion could be defeated a Talos worship is allowed and everyone is happy.
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Nov 17, 2012 10:02 pm GMT
josnkae132 posted...Brenz0r posted...
So while we agree that the Dragonborn is truly the cause for either side to win...
No. The Dragonborn's intervention will result in a significantly more rapid victory for either side (depending on the faction he/she chooses to side with). It will only change which side is going to win if the Dragonborn sides with the Stormcloaks.
Without the Dragonborn's intervention, the Empire will win (they don't even have to do anything major - attrition will do it for them - but they can launch a major offensive if they so desire). I would estimate a couple of months for the Stormcloaks at the most based on available resources. It could be a bit more, it could be a bit less. Tullius, however, is in clear control of the tactical side of the war.
Even if what you say is the truth, you said it yourself the Dominion would indirectly aid Ulfric until they know they could win the war with the empire. If we must consider who is the greater general, who exactly is the one that has the dominion in the back of their mind?
Tullius. He says it at the end of both sides of the conflict
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Nov 17, 2012 10:03 pm GMT
josnkae132 posted...Even if what you say is the truth, you said it yourself the Dominion would indirectly aid Ulfric until they know they could win the war with the empire.
Except that's not what I said. I said there is a
chance that they would start giving indirect aid to the Stormcloaks. The only evidence for it is in Elenwen's dossier and the Thalmor coming to Helgen to try and delay Ulfric's execution (giving them a chance to have him escape later on, which Tullius overrode).
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"We get serious about fictional girl underpants, and kid around when it comes to topics like world hunger." ~Teepo on CAGN Nov 17, 2012 10:03 pm GMT
It's better to lie so you can live to fight on another day.
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Nov 17, 2012 10:08 pm GMT
Ajd_King posted...josnkae132 posted...
Ulfric is the definitely the better general, whether he is truly the best "High King of Skyrim" is another discussion. (one I would be glad to have)
Why is Ulfric a better general?
well tullius has a fully trained and supplied imperial legion at his command.
ulfric has a rebellion, while having lots of ex-legion vets, is still largely consisted of commoners
being so successful with so little is an obvious note of his skill and leadership, wouldnt you say?
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Nov 17, 2012 10:06 pm GMT
Read what Brenz0r has written. He was not that succesful.
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Nov 17, 2012 10:11 pm GMT
clone11 posted...It's better to lie so you can live to fight on another day.
"Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities."
God March cannot come soon enough.
Dinklage you sexy man I need you back in my life.
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Nov 17, 2012 10:14 pm GMT
RebelElite791 posted...clone11 posted...
It's better to lie so you can live to fight on another day.
"Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities."
God March cannot come soon enough.
Dinklage you sexy man I need you back in my life.
I know! I started reading the books again, just to make the wait a little less sucky.
Dragonborn will help too though.
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"You persist too long after your own defeat. Come then, warrior. Have your resolution." Nov 17, 2012 10:18 pm GMT
Varys is the most likable character on the tv show so far.
>.>
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Nov 17, 2012 10:19 pm GMT
Ajd_King posted...Varys is the most likable character on the tv show so far.
>.>
It is Tyrion,Jon Snow, Sam, and Robb for me
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Nov 17, 2012 10:20 pm GMT
Ajd_King posted...Varys is the most likable character on the tv show so far.
>.>
NO!!! Im guessing you have not read the books?
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Nov 17, 2012 10:21 pm GMT
Apex1619 posted...Ajd_King posted...
Varys is the most likable character on the tv show so far.
>.>
It is Tyrion,Jon Snow, Sam, and Robb for me
*snicker*
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"We get serious about fictional girl underpants, and kid around when it comes to topics like world hunger." ~Teepo on CAGN Nov 17, 2012 10:22 pm GMT
Ajd_King posted...Read what Brenz0r has written. He was not that succesful.
the war has been going on for like over a decade though...right? or is my timeline all messed up? im pretty sure the war has been going on for a pretty damn long time
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Gamertag: Clonedzero
Nov 17, 2012 10:22 pm GMT
I've read all the books.
It's just that from what I've seen of the tv show, he's the one I like most so far.
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