How does the darkness work?
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Jan 20, 2012 11:42 pm GMT
I mean, I think I understood that it gets passed down from generations, but.. What happens if it's host dies without having any kids? Does it become free and jump to another host or does it keep the host alive for as long as it needs it? Does the host have to be men? I've not read the comics, but I'd like to, if I could.
So I'm just curious as to how the darkness works. =(
Jan 21, 2012 12:58 am GMT
It keeps the host alive until its passed on. Jackie has survived beyond blown to pieces in the light before.
The host does mostly have to be men, but women can have some control over it.
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Jan 21, 2012 5:25 am GMT
Women have some control? Is there a reason for that? What happens when a host does die though, where does the darkness go?
Jan 21, 2012 8:58 am GMT
The host can't die with the darkness in them. Even the main antagonist in the demo says "the darkness won't let you die".
No matter what the host will not die.
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Jan 21, 2012 10:27 pm GMT
So how did the darkness get new hosts? I'm assuming these hosts were different people and not related to each other, how does the darkness move from one host to another? I understood it so that least with Jackie, it went from his grandfather, to his father and then him, but how did his grandfather get a hold of the darkness? I can't recall if he said anything about it in the first game and since I've not been able to read the comic books, I am lacking a lot of the back story.
Jan 22, 2012 5:39 am GMT
Jackie's great-grandfather was a soldier in WW1. When the Germans launched a surprise attack, he ran off alone into an old abandoned barn, and there he met the Darkness.
The Darkness showed him the future, letting him know that the Germans would brutally murder him and then he would go to hell.
The Darkness offered him an escape, in exchange for his soul, he would escape death and damnation. He assures Estacado by telling him, 'I am not the devil."
In desperation, he agreed, taking in the Darkness just as the Germans stormed the barn. The Germans were quickly wiped out by the Darkness, once again able to truely manifest in the mortal world.
As he tears through dozens of soldiers, the Darkness speaks to Estacado, and tells him, "I am not the devil, I was his teacher."
Shortly after, Estacado was found by the survivors of the attack, he had cannibalised the German corpses and had suffered a complete mental breakdown. He spent the rest of his days in an asylum, until the Darkness moved on to his son.
Each firstborn male of the Estacado line is from then on a node for the darkness, a point that it can use to manifest in the world. I think the Darkness decides when it wants to move on the next host, though to be honest it gets confusing as to how and when it moves on.
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Jan 22, 2012 8:28 am GMT
And it gets a bit confusing in the games as well because if I remember correctly from the comics, soon as the current wielder of the Darkness procreates, the darkness kills the father and moves onto the child I believe.
So the developers might be a taking a couple liberties with how the darkness works
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Jan 22, 2012 8:45 am GMT
Okay, that explains the Estacdo thing, but does that mean the Darkness is just, well, hanging around, for a lack of better term, when it doesn't have a human host? I know it's probably silly, but I was under the impression it would "die" or something, without a human host. So it only needs a host to be able to fully manifest itself in the mortal world? So even without a host, it can still interact with the world?
Jan 22, 2012 1:19 pm GMT
As far as the comic mythos goes, the Darkness is a primordial force in the universe. It's ancient and damned powerful. It doesn't "die."
Why it takes human hosts, I don't know. The Angelus, the Darkness' opposing force, also takes human hosts (female hosts).
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Ah, that explains a lot, except why it needs human hosts, but.. Yeah, Thanks.
So this Angelus is also ancient and damned powerful? Does it's hosts battle against Jackie then? Or whomever holds the darkness at the time? Is the Angelus nicer to it's hosts than the Darkness? (Forcing you to watch your girlfriend die and such is cruel). Or does that too, only wish total control of it's host?
Jan 23, 2012 11:55 am GMT
Yeah, I don't know why they take hosts, but I don't follow the mythology behind The Darkness all that much. I've read a few of the comics, but I stopped at the end of the Appolonia arc. I can only guess that, while they cannot die, the Darkness/Angelus must take a host to influence the world or exert their powers.
The Angelus is pretty much the "Light" counterpart to the Darkness. She's the Darkness' greatest threat, and one of the primary antagonists in the series. Unlike the Darkness/Jackie though, the Angelus is in full control of her host (like possession) whereas the Darkness gives Jackie free reign over the dark powers (in the comics, at least).
Also, Jenny's death was handled differently in the comics. Frankie (Paulie in the game, I think), kills Jenny and sends Jackie a tape of the murder. The game had the Darkness rebel and force him to watch the murder in front of him. Both situations are the same in that Jackie is forced to watch and is completely powerless to stop it, but the game puts some of the fault on the Darkness directly. The game depicts the Darkness as more capricious and chaotic, and gives it an actual voice. I don't remember the Darkness speaking directly to Jackie in the comics, but rather communicating with him through dreams and the darklings.
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The Darkness did speak to Jackie in the comics, but it was more animalistic than in the game, often speaking in fragments.
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Jan 23, 2012 9:03 pm GMT
How will they handle the darkness in this game though? Going by the assumption they will follow the comics, rather than the first game. Will the darkness have a voice? Because I really liked it's voice in the first game. It'd be a shame to see that gone. =|
Jan 24, 2012 1:10 am GMT
From: sunricer | #013
How will they handle the darkness in this game though? Going by the assumption they will follow the comics, rather than the first game. Will the darkness have a voice? Because I really liked it's voice in the first game. It'd be a shame to see that gone. =|
They're still following the first game, in the sense that it appears that what happened in the first game is being acknowledged and taken forward. They're just injecting more of the comic style into it.
Jan 24, 2012 9:03 am GMT
I think the Darkness needs humans to manifest itself physically. If I remember correctly, the only reason why the Darkness chose the Estacado family is because they're all a bunch of womanizing playboys. In short, all it wanted was a family that would last for generations and generations without dying out.
It's end goal is an Estacado would eventually manifest a female from the Darkness itself to have sex with. This is why there is a "If you have a baby, you die" rule. It was to make an Estacado so desperate for sex that it would do such a thing. Jackie Estacado actually manifests a woman made out of Darkness and had sex with her numerous times. Eventually, she actually became pregnant with a Darkling baby. When that baby was born, the Darkness finally had a physical body. It no longer needed a human host.
Unfortunately for the Darkness, Jackie tricked the Dark Being into a fight that lasted until sunrise. The Dark Being was destroyed and the Darkness was stuck with Jackie again.
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Jan 24, 2012 9:32 am GMT
Deadmeat20 posted...
I think the Darkness needs humans to manifest itself physically. If I remember correctly, the only reason why the Darkness chose the Estacado family is because they're all a bunch of womanizing playboys. In short, all it wanted was a family that would last for generations and generations without dying out.
It's end goal is an Estacado would eventually manifest a female from the Darkness itself to have sex with. This is why there is a "If you have a baby, you die" rule. It was to make an Estacado so desperate for sex that it would do such a thing. Jackie Estacado actually manifests a woman made out of Darkness and had sex with her numerous times. Eventually, she actually became pregnant with a Darkling baby. When that baby was born, the Darkness finally had a physical body. It no longer needed a human host.
Unfortunately for the Darkness, Jackie tricked the Dark Being into a fight that lasted until sunrise. The Dark Being was destroyed and the Darkness was stuck with Jackie again.
so is he physically unable to have sex with a human woman, or does he not because he knows it will be the end of him?
Jan 24, 2012 1:59 pm GMT
ccgil posted...
so is he physically unable to have sex with a human woman, or does he not because he knows it will be the end of him?
Jackie doesn't have sex with a human woman because he knows that he will die.
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Jan 26, 2012 1:32 am GMT
So Jackie is really a playboy? He didn't seem like it in the game, but then again, that isn't entirely based on the comics, is it?
How different is Jackie from the first game compared to the comic Jackie?
Jan 26, 2012 1:37 am GMT
Jackie was louder and more boastful in the early comics, and like you said, he was a bit of a playboy.
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Jan 26, 2012 1:40 am GMT
How much different is Jackie from the comics compared to Jackie in the first game? I'm just wondering. Could someone list some of their differences maybe?
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