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Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm GMT
Terran
1. Redesign Thor ability/Raven seeker missile
2. Push early game Reaper a bit more
3. Hellbats better against melee units, not necessarily better vs. Ranged.
4. We'd really like to see more Medivac usage like we saw in Wings for a time in the past. Currently thinking on a cooldown based speed booster ability.
5. Buff Bio in the late game - with the addition of new units in HotS, we feel Bio in the late game is a bit weak.
6. Buff mech in general - we'd like to maybe test combining the vehicle and air upgrades at the armory.
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Zerg
1. Hydralisk movement speed upgrade to Lair
2. Mutalisk buff to speed and/or acceleration
3. Ultralisk changed to be good vs. all ground
4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily
5. Make it easier to unburrow and reposition Swarm Hosts
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Protoss
1. Redesign Voidray - we're currently thinking of having the player choose when to activate the charge up ability.
2. Oracle - pulsar beam would now overlap too much with the new Voidray, so we'd like to change the Oracle to be more of a worker harasser.
3. Buff DTs not necessarily for the DT rush case, but to have DTs more often in the late game.
4. Nerf Vortex - we don't like how all or nothing this ability is in Wings, and with new unit adds, we feel we can remove or phase out this ability.
5. Fix Tempests to not counter all late tech Zerg. We currently don't like how Zerg can't go Tier 3 units if Tempests are in play.
6. Make Voidray + Phoenix + Oracle combo a viable strat overall.
Dec 3, 2012 6:50 pm GMT
source me baby
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Dec 3, 2012 9:50 pm GMT
anything to get the community to stop hating on zerg players so hard wow. I feel like a lot of people hating on zerg right now weren't around when terrans dominated everything. Seriously, Code S has almost always been 50% terrans, but when zerg is 50% one season everyone flips ****. this community kills me man
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Dec 3, 2012 10:02 pm GMT
Goj, I don't think you understand just how strong Zerg is right now.
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Dec 3, 2012 10:26 pm GMT
Currently thinking on a cooldown based speed booster ability.
1. Redesign Voidray - we're currently thinking of having the player choose when to activate the charge up ability.why?
What answer will zerg have for sky toss? Last I checked phoenixes are great vs Hydras, and if fungal gets a heavy nerf do we have to go spire?
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Dec 3, 2012 10:32 pm GMT
From: KamiKaZe_ChiNo | #004anything to get the community to stop hating on zerg players so hard wow. I feel like a lot of people hating on zerg right now weren't around when terrans dominated everything. Seriously, Code S has almost always been 50% terrans, but when zerg is 50% one season everyone flips ****. this community kills me man
I was around and sympathizing with zerg and I still recognize how broken zerg is right now at least vs Terran. I was even still arguing that Zerg wasn't broken until very recently but then this GSL season, MLG Fall, and IPL5 happened. It's incredibly obvious at this point that ZvT is a hopeless matchup without balance fixes.
ZvP is still balanced but it might be dumb since Protoss has to win with timings. I'm also not actually convinced of that I still think Carrier/HT has potential. In theory it should be able to beat Infestor/Brood though aside from matches where the Protoss was a far better player I haven't seen it happen yet.
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http://oi44.tinypic.com/lfdsi.jpg Dec 3, 2012 10:35 pm GMT
well it's either terran or zerg dominating. never protoss for a reason.
loved how people were blaming protoss players when terran was dominating for not being innovative enough. now that zerg is finally determined to be OP by..EVERYONE, all the babies are being quiet.
Dec 3, 2012 10:41 pm GMT
^^ zerg isn't dominating over protoss, zvp is pretty balanced right now
Dec 3, 2012 10:57 pm GMT
JJH777 posted...So Leenock said in his winner interview that he thinks Terran is weak but PvZ is even and Protoss just need to play better. Hyun said the same thing in his ro4 interview well minus the protoss need to play better part but he said T was weak and Protoss was even.
Then there is this graph someone made:
http://i.imgur.com/h2Z27.png
Confirmed that Protoss whiners are pathetic and Terran is screwed.
Dec 3, 2012 11:01 pm GMT
I guess there are some people who still refuse to accept it. lololol oh well. babies will be babies.
Dec 3, 2012 11:05 pm GMT
lol, crying about protoss being up with that 50% winrate in both matchups
Dec 4, 2012 5:39 am GMT
ikilledkenny2 posted...JJH777 posted...
So Leenock said in his winner interview that he thinks Terran is weak but PvZ is even and Protoss just need to play better. Hyun said the same thing in his ro4 interview well minus the protoss need to play better part but he said T was weak and Protoss was even.
Then there is this graph someone made:
http://i.imgur.com/h2Z27.png
Confirmed that Protoss whiners are pathetic and Terran is screwed.
Never trust the opinion of the dominant race. I still remember Mvp calling terran the weakest race at the height of gomtvt. Only a few players (Stephano, MC) have the balls to call it as it is.
No offence dude but you are probably worse than enrico and that other whiny zerg (erlino?) when it comes to protoss.
Relevant quotes from you in the past (i know there are dozens, spent 1 min looking)
Any protoss that complains about anything Zerg has needs to be shot.On Idra losing to a protoss:
This game has been so ridiculous protoss is a joke. Protoss such a joke (July loses to Mana)
Meh that was a fluke (when MC lost to Sen)Protoss is imba but that was all sheths fault. (posted during the sad zealot era)Huk just beat Nestea protoss players need to stfu. If the game was balanced Nestea could beat Huk 1 handed using mass banelings.Stats don't matter. Every non-zerg pro is complaining about them right now. The games from the last 6 months have looked completely ridiculous. The only way to beat what "insert zerg here" is to go all in and kill them before broods. Even though that happens and Protoss still win sometimes, it is completely dumb that is necessary to beat a race.
a slight rework of your post in reponse to the parting 3 nex 8 gate (a build which was popular for literally a month as I predicted).
Secondly stats don't matter that much. Every non toss pro is complaining about them right now. The games last night looked completely ridiculous. The only way to beat what Parting did last night is to play the game expecting him to do it and blind countering it. Even if that starts happening and Terran starts winning again it is still completely dumb that that is necessary to beat a race. That is not necessary in any other matchup besides PvP on Belshir, and Taldarim. But no, every single pro protoss player (Rain, Creator, Genius, MC, HerO, san, jangbi, MaNa, Naniwa, SaSe ETC) are pathetic. Even some zergs (stephano, even nestea has admitted infestor/brood is broken vP) have said so.
We all know the 1 reason PvZ is remotely balanced. And that is becoming less and less effective.
Dec 4, 2012 6:19 am GMT
ArmyOfWin posted...ikilledkenny2 posted...
JJH777 posted...
So Leenock said in his winner interview that he thinks Terran is weak but PvZ is even and Protoss just need to play better. Hyun said the same thing in his ro4 interview well minus the protoss need to play better part but he said T was weak and Protoss was even.
Then there is this graph someone made:
http://i.imgur.com/h2Z27.png
Confirmed that Protoss whiners are pathetic and Terran is screwed.
Never trust the opinion of the dominant race. I still remember Mvp calling terran the weakest race at the height of gomtvt. Only a few players (Stephano, MC) have the balls to call it as it is.
No offence dude but you are probably worse than enrico and that other whiny zerg (erlino?) when it comes to protoss.
Relevant quotes from you in the past (i know there are dozens, spent 1 min looking)
Any protoss that complains about anything Zerg has needs to be shot.
On Idra losing to a protoss:
This game has been so ridiculous protoss is a joke.
Protoss such a joke (July loses to Mana)
Meh that was a fluke (when MC lost to Sen)
Protoss is imba but that was all sheths fault. (posted during the sad zealot era)
Huk just beat Nestea protoss players need to stfu. If the game was balanced Nestea could beat Huk 1 handed using mass banelings.
Stats don't matter. Every non-zerg pro is complaining about them right now. The games from the last 6 months have looked completely ridiculous. The only way to beat what "insert zerg here" is to go all in and kill them before broods. Even though that happens and Protoss still win sometimes, it is completely dumb that is necessary to beat a race.
a slight rework of your post in reponse to the parting 3 nex 8 gate (a build which was popular for literally a month as I predicted).
Secondly stats don't matter that much. Every non toss pro is complaining about them right now. The games last night looked completely ridiculous. The only way to beat what Parting did last night is to play the game expecting him to do it and blind countering it. Even if that starts happening and Terran starts winning again it is still completely dumb that that is necessary to beat a race. That is not necessary in any other matchup besides PvP on Belshir, and Taldarim.
But no, every single pro protoss player (Rain, Creator, Genius, MC, HerO, san, jangbi, MaNa, Naniwa, SaSe ETC) are pathetic. Even some zergs (stephano, even nestea has admitted infestor/brood is broken vP) have said so.
We all know the 1 reason PvZ is remotely balanced. And that is becoming less and less effective.
O snap
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-6iNzwXEg0 Dec 4, 2012 8:28 am GMT
Ipl5 is the only tournament I've seen in months
But based on that
Protoss players are still mentally challenged
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http://i.imgur.com/U5y3b.jpgDec 4, 2012 9:23 am GMT
Playing HotS, Tempests are good because you can start building them right away as soon as your Stargate finishes.
Why not just make that for the Carrier. Remove the Tempest, let Carriers be built without the Fleet, so by the time you finish Catapult upgrades, you can have 4 Carriers instead of 2.
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http://myanimelist.net/animelist/eathbDec 4, 2012 10:41 am GMT
^^protoss has won just as much as zerg recently, and it doesn't matter how the winrate is achieved, 50% win rate is balance. Terrans autolose to zerg AND protoss in the superlate game, but since TvP is 50%, we aren't going to whine about that. Terrans win TvP on 2 or 3 bases, just like tosses win pvz on two or three bases.
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