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I'm really enjoying Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 this year, it's got a nice mix of beginner-friendly features, better integration of the GamerNet online features, and a decent amount of depth. It's not a perfect game but, by tightening up the controls, and making the Tiger Challenge actually, you know, work this year, it's the best entry in a while. That said, there's still a few things about this year's game that absolutely must be attended to when next year's Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2010 rolls around. In no particular order:

- Improve Putting - I don't care what anyone says: Putting in Tiger 09 is way too easy. Yes, big-time golfers are able to make big-time putts on a fairly regular basis, but you can't tell me that I should be able to sink 30-foot putts with huge downhill breaks on a regular basis, even if my putting rating is hovering somewhere close to "9" right now.

In fact, I'd dare say that the putting player rating needs to go away altogether. After all, it makes sense for your created golfer to gain distance off the tee or gain accuracy with his short game as he progresses. In real life, however, putting is the great equalizer on the course, as simple (and infinitely complicated) a measure of eye-hand coordination and spatial recognition as can be. By making putting easier as your putting rating improves, Tiger 09 somehow takes away from that essential skill that is judging break and distance and just how far you have to pull back on the stick to roll the rock into the hole.

- Improve the Pro Shop - Namely, give me more things to buy. And I don't mean bunny costumes and astronaut suits. I mean golf clothes. I don't even care if they give me attribute bonuses--in fact, most of the clothing shouldn't pump up your skills. I don't want my created golfer to wear sunglasses, thank you very much. But because you've got a pair that will up his accuracy or distance attribues, I feel like I have to wear them. Keep the attributes bonuses to the equipment and let me play dress-up exactly like I want.

- Make Ball Spin a Part of the Swing - Spinning the ball is one of the great joys in Tiger. As the ball flys towards the pin, high over the green, you jam the A button repeatedly moving the right stick left and right trying to judge which angle to set the spin before the ball hits the ground. It's fun, I'll admit it. It's also bullcrap. When a PGA pro puts a shot into the air, he or she has to decide before the ball is struck how much and what kind of spin they want to put in.

I want to be able to do that as part of the swing in Tiger. And if the developers really wanted to do it right, it wouldn't be a pre-swing setting either, but rather an advanced method for swinging the stick that would somehow add spin to the ball in the way a real golfer gets "underneath" the ball, sending it spinning on contact. Bottom line: I don't know how the Tiger 2010 devs could do it, I'd just like it if they did.

- More courses, more courses, more courses - Did I mention more courses? Don't get me wrong, 16 tracks is nice, but 20 would be better. Sure, I know you've got downloadable courses on the way. But I'm really, really hoping those DLC courses aren't just Tiger 08 courses that EA Sports removed from this year's game in order to make room for Sheshan, Wolf Creek, and the like. Because that would be, you know, cheating.

- Skip CPU Players in Tiger Challenge - As I implore so sexily on this week's episode of From the Bleachers, this is simply the most important improvement EA Sports can make to next year's Tiger. I know you spent time on those PGA player models but I simply don't want to have to sit through another Retief Goosen set-up animation to get to my shot. You know you're doubling the amount of time it takes to get through a challenge by making us watch these shots, right? And once you get to an 18-hole challenge, you're talking more than an hour-long wait, half of which is spent simply watching the CPU set up for its next shot.

Seriously, EA, let us turn this feature off next year. You can even skip all the other suggestions above as long as you let me turn off Angus McCreary once and for all. But, you know, do the other stuff too.

13 Comments

  • l80ajf

    Posted Sep 30, 2008 4:35 pm PT

    id like to see more courses too wheres AUGUSTA? the only course thats been missing for like 10 years, so we can play the MASTERS, and if they cant get it tiger should be able to pull strings, or make it a fantasy course if there is a legal dispute anyways, more golfers such as GARCIA, MICKELSON, STRICKER, FALDO, COUPLES, ELS, NORMAN, to name a few,we should have the top 10 US and top 10 EUROPEAN guys by now c'mon, then there could be a RYDER CUP to qualify for every other SEASON through pga tour mode that would be a nice touch surely!!!!
    thn why not have a lpga tour and champions tour with more lpga golfers and champions tour golfers like WIE, for lpga and WATSON for champions tour, and have 10 golfers to choose on each of the new tours at least, that combined with putting made more like actual putting where even a good putt could miss makes it more intense, i think if some or all of these things were incorporated into TIGER WOODS 2010 game it would step it up to another level, not just another print out of much the same of last years effort more brands of golf equipment too,
    wat do you think ?

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  • ohjtbehaaave

    Posted Sep 10, 2008 4:58 am PT

    Good job Brian. I have always argued with my friends telling them that Tiger is to easy and cheesy. Putting 'After spin/STEERING the ball on a golf shot in Tiger could be the biggest farce in any sports game to date. What's next EA... steering the Football back between the Goalposts on bad Field Goal attempts? When comparing golf engines... Hot Shots Golf is the better golf engine because it plays real. Tiger is fun... but way to easy. I'm winning PGA Tournaments by 15 strokes ten minutes after creating my player.

    I don't care about the 'Dress up stuff'.... but the putting needs to be fixed... and the cut scenes can get exhausting. At least you can press 'Y' to fast forward through shots.

    Brian is correct about the putting engine though. This 'line' to the hole makes putting to easy. I also think EA needs to revamp the greens to show the breaks better. What EA needs to do is go grab two old golf games... Links and Outlaw Golf. 'Links' had a power gauge while taking a swing using the left stick that worked nice. EA ripped that off... so why not go all the way? And While overall Outlaw Golf was mediocre at best... the putting engine was stellar. It gave you a way shorter line when reading the green... especially on the long putts. But it gave you 3 'looks' at the line before your putt. You actually feel like your reading the green... and making tough putts are actually TOUGH!!! I sink 30+ long putts in Tiger 09 like it's a 2 footer. Golf is a humbling game... but Tiger gives us to many Lay ups. I prefer the challenge.... and still prefer Hot Shots over TW's simply because it plays more like golf. I can overlook the cute characters for good golf.
    Fix the PUTTING EA!!!!

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  • jazztrumpet5

    Posted Sep 3, 2008 9:53 am PT

    I agree with this article, that all of these issues being resolved would lead to a better game. My biggest concern with the Tiger Woods series (and the state of golf games in the last 8 or so years) is that, by and large, it has very little simulation elements. I realize that the games are created to appeal to the largest fan base as possible, and perhaps TW does that. However, as someone who plays a lot of golf and enjoys sim-style sports games, I feel that there is a void in the market when it comes to golf games. I always thought the Links series on the PC did a great job of making games fun as well as challenging. I just can't get off on shooting sub 60 rounds all the time with the Tiger Woods series. Hopefully that wasn't entirely off-topic! Good blog, though, Brian.

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  • BrianEk 

    Posted Sep 3, 2008 9:25 am PT

    neonfrax2, so you're cool with not being able to skip CPU players? Good Lord, you must have lots of free time.

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  • RoyaleWivCheese

    Posted Sep 3, 2008 3:14 am PT

    "Make Ball Spin a Part of the Swing"
    No no no!!! The fact that it allows you to spin the ball after you've taken your shot is great. It's the only thing that has stayed consistant throughout the series. PLEASE Bring back the old commentators though EA, the new ones are hard to listen to!

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  • neonfrax2

    Posted Sep 2, 2008 10:37 pm PT

    Umm.... I think the after hit ball spin is to give you something to do after you've hit the ball. It may not be dead-on accurate as far as golf simulation is concerned, but without the in-the-air spin "mini-game" you're pretty much just laying down the controller after each hit and waiting for the ball to land.

    If you're really into the simulation of golf, instead of "playing" a game, maybe they could make a left-right control technique where you walk your golfer to the ball each stroke.

    Actually, other than adding more courses (WHY do they keep REMOVING courses each year?), I totally disagree with every suggestion you've made. Please, EA, don't listen to this guy.

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  • Blockie123

    Posted Sep 1, 2008 5:26 pm PT

    I totally agree with the spin part. It makes me feel like I am cheating when I use it! Hopefully EA will listen...

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  • ZODIO15

    Posted Sep 1, 2008 10:18 am PT

    but about the game its awsome i played it at a friends house the afterhit ballspin is kinda weird escpecially the character creation it could be better also i think they should add like houses cars for like a mini game that would be fun.....

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  • ZODIO15

    Posted Sep 1, 2008 10:17 am PT

    omg i was cracking up that was funny kinda fake tho i seen this trick before they have in-visi glass or plexie glass that you walk on and yu can only see it if you got under the glass lol good job tiger trying to copy criss angel

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  • metaljeff

    Posted Aug 29, 2008 1:47 pm PT

    I agree fully Brian..The afterhit ballspin is utter garbage

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  • patrick_bass

    Posted Aug 28, 2008 9:28 am PT

    I think that a CFL video game would be awesome.

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  • 555fabulous21

    Posted Aug 28, 2008 8:22 am PT

    I agree with everything you had to say. Tiger 09 is a great game. I still have a bit more problems with it though.

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  • macwho

    Posted Aug 28, 2008 3:06 am PT

    I don't have Tiger 09 as of yet but I can relate to many of these problems from Tiger 05 on my PS2. Putting has been always way to easy sinking 30 yard putts with ease. The Pro Shop is my main concern as well though I love to dress my player with golfer clothes but there isnt way enough clothes to choose from. And like Brian states things like Rain coats boost your attributes better then a nice top. So more clothes and clubs and stuff but keep the attribute upgrades for the actual golfing equipment like gloves help accuracy, big bertha drivers boost power and accuracy whereas little drivers I feel are more powerful when struck clean but more inclined to slice and draw when not.

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