Halo 4 - Beat the Pros with Tsquared and Naded

 @Cashmoney007  @glitch2424

It's a waste because you don't learn anything useful about life all you do is memorize and regurgitate crap so that you can eventually obtain qualifications that may or may not end you up in a job you will most likely hate. Some people don't prioritise money as important Mr "Cashmoney007" and so can survive on less income than others. These guys found a passion for something and it's obviously opened up avenues for them so I don't see the harm

 @glitch2424  @NTenseify People are funny on this topic.  How do you know that it is just a waste in college?  Have you seen how the education is lately in the USA?  If people can make a good living from a video game then more power to them.  But will it always be enough to live on?  I have see what these pro gamers make and was only around a few thousand dollars.

Some people will actually care about getting degrees in those fields.  It just depends on what kind of job a person is looking for.  It is never a sure thing that you will get a job after college.  But having an education from a college is not a bad thing.  But people need to realize that there is more important things in life than video games or computer games.  I will always admit that they are fun though. 

 @Dizzy1976  @NTenseify  @Alex323

 Exactly man, I built my rig myself, shopped around and found all the parts cheaper than buying a pre-built rig, but some people lack the knowledge to put a computer together, so it is not always an option for everyone, but certainly a money saver ;)

 @skipper1993  @NTenseify  @Alex323 

Right on Skipper........Its only the people that don't know how to research the products and shop around that "pay a fortune" for their rigs.  Or people that have to buy top of the line all the time which quite frankly is a huge waste of money.

 @StormFuror  @Blackops_2  @crashmer  Don't know about a mouse but any USB keyboard works with the 360. I used my generic Dell one all the time back during my Phantasy Star Universe days. 

I can't speak for PS3 either.

 @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720 By the way if it was so easy for PC gamers to be the best at Halo or COD on Xbox or PS then wouldn't they enter those tournaments as well to win more cash? I could care less about pro gaming so not sure what the prizes are for Halo, COD, CS, Starcraft

 @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720  haha, no worries you can watch this time. Really though everyone has their own tastes and you like the PC better but since BF2/DODSource I haven't touched a PC game. I prefer the PS3 honestly but like halo as well.

Also its pretty crazy that PC gamers seem to have to try and act like its writing a symphony to play. I think the biggest difference is I plug in the PS3/Xbox and put the game in; on the PC I gotta install, tweak my system, cache the map, set the key mapping, get the clans voice/chat system, and then finally play and I might be missing things as well.

 @sethschroeder  @themagicbum9720

Hey Valve games were just an example, I never mentioned Counter Strike. In addition I never claimed to have skills with that game. You started the comment about exclusives and thats what I commented back about, because in my opinion the PC does have better exclusives, I'd choose S.T.A.L.K.E.R. over Gears of War any day. Also in relation about you taking the piss insinuating I have to wait years for a game I do not even want, at the end of the day, if I want a game, I go buy it, why the hell would I wait 2-3 years for something I want? I think you should calm down man.  

" if you don't like Halo why would you watch a video ABOUT HALO"

Oh I'm sorry, it is my fault really, I didn't know I had to run it by you first, next time I'll let you know that I want to kill some time by watching some game footage of a game I have mild interest in. Ok, I'm glad we've put that to bed.

 @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720  Yay counter strike lol, I am sure your counter strike skills would translate so well to Halo... Also if you don't like Halo why would you watch a video ABOUT HALO you wouldn't catch me watching a special on Diablo 3 because I don't like Diablo

 @bigruss51  @TransvormerSCol  @skipper1993  @ooblah 

Well how about this, we are all different. And so are the opinions in this topic, it seems to me that for some the mouse and keyboard is easy to master and for others it isn't. I suppose the same could be said for the controller. I wonder how many people here could pick up the controller and completely master the recoil stabilizer using your thumb. It is a lot harder, for me, with the controller than with the mouse. We all live inside of our own experiences but the truth is everybody is different and so their opinions will be as well. For me at least, one is not harder than the other to master. Like I said, they are just different.

 @BloodiedHalo  @TransvormerSCol  @skipper1993  @ooblah

 aiming with mouse is not easier when ur trying to master faster dpi. It takes a lot of practice to master keyboard and mouse. It did for me since I was a console player first and the transition was not 2hrs. It tooks months to become a decent fps pc player. I'm sure that others could do it faster since I'm not a computer person and don't see any computers till i get home from work but 2hrs is def not enough.

 @TransvormerSCol  @skipper1993  @bigruss51  @ooblah 

Playing PC and consoles alike for many years these are my thoughts...

Keyboard and mouse allows you to do more quicker and more accurately. Keyboard and mouse isn't harder to master than a controller, they are just different. We shouldn't think just because people play on the console their brain doesn't function like it should and they can't adapt to something different. I am sure that somebody on the console that is a great FPS player can pick up a keyboard and mouse and dominate in a few hours. It is not impressive to think somebody can use both hands while pressing a maximum of twelve set buttons, timed when needed. We let retards make us feel more special than we really are, let's get over ourselves. 

It is twenty times easier to fuck up and over compensate with just your thumb as opposed to your arm/hand, that is why auto-aim exists on consoles. Some games it is very noticeable and some it is extremely slight. But it is definitely something that is needed since aiming with a mouse is twenty times easier than aiming accurately with a thumbstick and no auto-aim.

 @skipper1993  @bigruss51  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 

I've to agree to skipper1993.

Some people say playing on pc is easier than playing on consoles, but this isn't right. Like skipper1993 mentioned before, on PC there are two elements to handle with (mouse + keyboard) which both functions and operatives differently than each other, while on gaming consoles you only need to handle with one regular controller.

The way using a mouse and the keyboard as well, is more difficult and is depended on more things like skill, report rate, in-game ping, accuracy etc.

For example, the mouse is a very exact and fine object. In shooter games you'll usually have to set a very high mouse speed with customised acceleration rates which is quite hard to get used in it, otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to play with slow mouse speeds. Depending on your mouse speed rates you'll have to interact equal with the keyboard to your mouse movements while the most keyboard keys are unique which causes a lot of keys to handle with.

Compared with console games you only need skill into the controller you're playing with. It's not kind of a big deal.

Beyond that, it's a handicap too, you're playing shooter games with controllers like tanks. It's not really worth spending time to get skill on that.

Maybe this is also interesting: For some time I had tested some shooter games on consoles and I've noticed that the Halo series is the only shooter game which has an acceptable and reasonable control setting for its controller.

Anyway, at least I am one of those who prefers playing shooter games on PC and not on consoles, but I do like the story of the halo series which is because of its exclusiveness the only shooter game I play on the console.

 @bigruss51  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 Yeah, I mean ultimately to paraphrase a guy from above "keyboard and mouse is generally more accurate and powerful, controller is much more widespread and accessible", I personally prefer keyboard and mouse, for any game but also for FPS games specifically for lots of reasons, but mainly because it just feels more realistic for some reason, it is probably posture based. I've never noticed a difference in the feel of the speed in the gameplay when playing console or pc, but I guess I don't play on consoles enough to ever notice it.

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 I play both pc and console. PC def feels more competative and challenging. Just my experience. The console controller was designed to be easy to use but the keyboard and mouse just feels so right for fps games. When I play CoD on pc you feel like you need to turn every corner firing or ur the one going down but the playing tempo is just not that fast on the console if you can understand what im trying to say.

 @bigruss51  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 Yeah, that point was exactly what all of the previous comments in this debate was about, if you had read some of the other posts you would know it had already been discussed. (I'm on the side of the PC gamer btw) but that point about PC making console feel slower is subjective, each individual will experience it differently to a certain extent.

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 I suppose but it certainly helped me become a better console player. I have CoD BOps for pc and my buddy invited me over to play the same game but on console. I dominated TDM so we switched to capter the flag except it was me against 3 friends splitscreen. I only lost one match after playing for over an hour.

 @bigruss51  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 That is completely subjective, it won't apply to everyone.

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 dude you can't even blink when playing fps on pc . its like f1 drivers having a go on the top gear track when a pc player switches to console. 

 @bigruss51  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 Prove it...

 @ooblah  @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720

 you're wrong. switching from pc to console makes console seem slow motion.

 @FreedomPrime  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 Finally some one with some sense ;)

 @ooblah  @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720 I disagree, I play on PC and consoles and PC FPS players are inherently better, especially counter strike players.

 @guitardude1243  @MusclesJAM  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 Ok then, *gently ruffles hair* now run along you little scamp...

 @skipper1993  @MusclesJAM  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 

Almost as bad as a discussion board on CNN, but not quite since most of the time they actually whine about ideas of importance.

 @MusclesJAM  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

Have you even been paying attention? Nobody was disputing that. You should change your name to "captain obvious" it really would suit you.

 @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 This was by far the most annoying sequence of rants I've ever read.  Consoles and PCs are just different.  In the same way a ruler is different from a set of surveying equipment.  They both generally serve the same purpose, one is more accurate and powerful, the other is much more widespread and accessible, and therefore more popular.  They both have their purpose.  Everyone go back to your respective corners and stfu.

 @LatinproX  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

Then please provide the sources of your research, you seem to be very well educated in this subject.

I am not ranting, I am discussing/debating. But no worries it is a common mistake I guess, angry people read in an angry tone regardless of what ever emotion or vibe I actually instilled in my text.

Define this "lag time difference". If you are referring to the actual control mechanism itself then even if there is a moment of lag that is larger in the controller over the keyboard and mouse (which I would like you to prove other wise that point is all conjecture) it will be even more insignificant than the negligible differences in the main discussion.

In addition we are not just talking about controls in relation to FPS games we are talking about both interfaces in general and which one requires more "skill" or practice to operate and master and how this "skill" then translates over to the other system.

Again I went on what I know about human motor function and multitasking along with hand and indivitual finger independence, which you can research yourself, and which will make a far bigger difference than any lag time would in the context of using a controller or a keyboard and mouse. It is a connection of synapses within the brain that requires practice to utilize successfully, even on such a primitive level. I guarantee this is just the proverbial tip of the ice berge as well, there will be many factors of the human body and it's limits that account for the differences between the two forms of interface along with the mechanical and technical factors of the interface it self. If a proper study was initiated then I have no doubts the results would indicate it is more difficult to operate a keyboard and mouse over a console controller no matter how small of a difference that may be. But as far as I am aware there has been no real study and no real tests, there for no real evidence and every point we make is speculation based on knowledge of other factors that would come into play, but it is still just that, speculation. 

So anyways, back to my point, what are you basing your views on? Please provide your sources, you obviously seem to have all the facts, now back them up.

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 You really need to do your research,  it is much easier to aim with a mouse (Point and Click) than it  is with thumbsticks because of the lag time diffirence. and that is all that matters in FPS.  So rant all you like, but you are still full of it.  Bullshit, that is.

 @sethschroeder  @ooblah  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @themagicbum9720

 I can nullify that comment by quoting what I previously said:

"there will be plenty of examples of how it is (no matter how small of a factor) physically more challenging to operate a keyboard and mouse over a controller"

We know and accept the difference is negligible, but it is a negligible difference that we are disscussing, obviously you can contribute nothing, so why join in? Tololololo?

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @themagicbum9720  Ya because PC gaming is so amazingly hard compared to console gaming.. been there done that in the past with BF2 and gotta say you make it out to be a bigger deal than it is

 @ooblah  @EatShanna

"it requires a tremendous amount of technical skill compared to playing videogames"

True, but the fundamental principle is the same, that is the whole point of an analogy. It?s not about the skill involved with playing guitar or playing a game, the point is the fact that if you can do something that requires a lot of skill then doing something that requires less skill will be easier and come naturally, and if you can do something that requires less skill it will take more time to get better with what requires more skill. That is the point, don't argue semantics. The analogy is valid.

I did not make the comments about the aim assist so I will not respond to that, it is not my argument. As I said, I own no consoles, all I know is that consoles use aim assist, I don't know what games allow you to turn it off or how easy it is to tell if it is present or not, I simply don't know about that.

"Let's just be content with the fact that we're all passionate about games."

I agree with this, but it does seem like your brushing yourself off and making an exit without finishing your side of the discussion. Which is a shame because I was interested in your views.

 @EatShanna  @skipper1993  

First off, the guitar analogy doesn't really work in an argument about games, due to the fact it requires a tremendous amount of technical skill compared to playing videogames.  Secondly, I think I can tell when aim assist is on or not, there's a vast difference.  But apparently it's always on, because you would know ... because you make videogames.  And let's just say for the sake of argument that aim assist IS always on ... it doesn't change the fact that there are players that do better than others, a fact that renders your statement mute.  Anyway, this debate has become petty and I'm tired of all this BS squabbling, so we should all just agree to disagree.  Let's just be content with the fact that we're all passionate about games.

 @ooblah  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @themagicbum9720

Simple.

If all I could play on guitar was "Reality" by the great guitarist Antoine Dufour, then you are damn sure I could pick up "Smells like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana in 30 seconds. But not vice versa.  

/discussion

 @ooblah  @skipper1993  @evilace_stealth  @themagicbum9720 

On consoles you're playing with training wheels on. 

And BTW, just because you think aim-assist isn't on, doesn't mean it isn't.

It's a must on consoles and without it you wouldn't be able to make all those 1337 MLG brah sh0ts. 

 @skipper1993  @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @themagicbum9720 

Oh I'll admit defeat amicably when I'm wrong, and I just very well may be, but the main point I'm trying to get across is that the two can't be compared by the same standards.  There is a level of accuracy you can achieve with a mouse and keyboard that you just can't with a controller, even with aim assist.  I don't even use aim assist (unless there's no option to turn it off) because it's screwed me over too many times in the past.  An "inferior control scheme does not a better player make?" that still remains to be seen, but then that negates the original statement that started this all - a statement that says console players would be average at best if they played on PC.  You guys claim to be just as skillful when playing on the console as you are playing on the PC, why wouldn't the same scenario apply to the console gamer?

 @EatShanna  @evilace_stealth  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

 "Inferior controle scheme doesn't a better player make."

Exactly, this is all PC gamers are often trying to say, but we end up getting flak because people cant stand being corrected when they are wrong. 

 @evilace_stealth  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

To be honest I couldn?t agree with what you say more, I was just making a point and correcting some blatant ignorance. You are right, ultimately it doesn?t matter, and it should be each to their own, and play with what you enjoy or find more comfortable. I would never try and convert a person to a controller or keyboard and mouse input, I am never the one that starts a discussion like this, but I am guilty of jumping in and expressing my views.

 @evilace_stealth  @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 

Hey, if you enjoy it good for you.

But saying console players are better at shooters because they have to endure an inferior controle scheme is absolutely dumb. 

Good luck hitting the broad side of a barn without your precious aim-assist.

Took me less than an hour to adjust to the pad and wipe the floor with my friends who have been competing for years, locally and through that tourny website.

Inferior controle scheme doesn't a better player make.

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 god, it's just "a difference" - there's a difference between table tennis and tennis aswell. a pc vs console - the controller can never beat mouse and keyboard in speed and accuracy. but you can still prefer a controller, I do. I think it's more fun. and it's completely ok if you think mouse and keyboard are more fun. maby I'm getting old or something? (started out as a pc-gamer)controller vs. controller then the guy who's best with a controller that wins. another sport if you will. why always compare the two? 

 @skipper1993  @ooblah  @themagicbum9720 

Finally, someone who isn't a complete idiot. 

 @ooblah  @themagicbum9720

I'm purely a PC gamer, I don?t own any consoles, and whenever me and my console buddies have this argument and they put a controller in my hands to see how I do, it takes all of five minutes for me to put them in their place and get a higher score in whatever game, they all know they can?t beat me at Halo for example, despite the fact I have never even owned any copies. There is no way on this earth it is more difficult to play with a controller over keyboard and mouse, what is your statement based on? Has there been an academic study that I missed out on? In my opinion at a quick glance based on what I know about human motor function I'd say it was more difficult/challenging to play on/master PC controls because each hand is operating a different device, in a different way and performing a different functions (hand independence/multitasking) but with a controller you have both hands operating a symmetrical control scheme, performing the same motions. That?s just off the top of my head, if I sat and thought about it more and did a bit more recearch I guarantee there will be plenty of examples of how it is (no matter how small of a factor) physically more challenging to operate a keyboard and mouse over a controller Have fun with your auto aim, Fact.

 @ooblah  @skipper1993  @themagicbum9720 

That argument again?