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#1 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Jocubus"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Jocubus"]The death penalty is reserved for the most depraved and perverse criminals that will never repent for their actions and are incapable of reform. Essentially they are broken beings (I won't even use human here) and as such their living presence should seem like an offense to all around them. Especially sickening are those who revel in their past deeds. chrisrooR

what about the wrongly accused?

Due to the advances in recent technology the number of wrongly accused is on the decline. There is also the appeals process, the ridiculously long period between sentencing and the execution, etc. I doubt many people are given the death sentence if they are wrongly accused considering the evidence resulting in their conviction would be mostly circumstantial or extremely weak. Juries generally only give the death penalty when there is overwhelming proof of guilt and a general lack of remorse.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="SlashDementia3"]Taking a life any way is wrong, no matter what the crime... Do you not think of the person's family, or people who care for him? Yes they bring it on themselves but to go to such extremes... :S
People should stop generalizing and saying Christains do this and that, you can use "some christain" but hey that's just me talking... If a christian is in favor of it, he is probably just a christian in image and not at heart.
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IMO, some murderers are subhuman (IE child-killers)

that's your opinion, however, religiously speaking no one on earth deserves to have their life taken away, regardless of their past.

why?

Because (if you are religious) life is God given. Why oppose abortion then? You're doing the same thing, taking away a life. Personally, i'm not religious, however i am extremely opposed to the death penalty, its just not ethical.

taking away the life of an unborn child is in no way at all comparable to taking away the life of a convicted murderer

No. That is your opinion. A convicted criminals life is still a life .

how can you possibly sit there and say the life of a convicted murderer is just as valueable as the life of an innocent child?

Because, whether or not your opinion goes along with it, it is.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment..." Matthew 5:21-22

as i've already stated, there are 2 words for kill in greek, and one of them is the word for murder, and jesus uses the word for murder.
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#2 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]

9/11 took place in 2001. NORAD has been around since 1958.

AnimeKiller

I don't know much about NORAD (and I'm guessin neither do you) but how are they supposed to find two planes out of the hundreds of flights every day?

With the use of modern day technology, it would be easy track a hijacked plane.

NORAD focuses on planes coming IN they never had a reason to track planes that are already here :|

"NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of a ballistic missile attack on North America and maintains continental detection, validation, warning and aerospace control of air-breathing threats to North America, to include peacetime alert levels and appropriate aerospace defense measures to respond to hostile actions against North America."

Just a quote from NORAD's Offical Mission Statement.

If you think there mission statement means anything in the real world I feel sorry for you.

I'm feeling sorry for you right now because your so gullible and ignorant.

were not the ones forwarding some sort of idea that has absolutely no evidence and loads of contradicting evidence.

animekiller, do you think that the twin towers were a controlled demolition?

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#3 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="Jocubus"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Jocubus"]The death penalty is reserved for the most depraved and perverse criminals that will never repent for their actions and are incapable of reform. Essentially they are broken beings (I won't even use human here) and as such their living presence should seem like an offense to all around them. Especially sickening are those who revel in their past deeds. chrisrooR

what about the wrongly accused?

Due to the advances in recent technology the number of wrongly accused is on the decline. There is also the appeals process, the ridiculously long period between sentencing and the execution, etc. I doubt many people are given the death sentence if they are wrongly accused considering the evidence resulting in their conviction would be mostly circumstantial or extremely weak. Juries generally only give the death penalty when there is overwhelming proof of guilt and a general lack of remorse.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="SlashDementia3"]Taking a life any way is wrong, no matter what the crime... Do you not think of the person's family, or people who care for him? Yes they bring it on themselves but to go to such extremes... :S
People should stop generalizing and saying Christains do this and that, you can use "some christain" but hey that's just me talking... If a christian is in favor of it, he is probably just a christian in image and not at heart.
verparanoidpers

IMO, some murderers are subhuman (IE child-killers)

that's your opinion, however, religiously speaking no one on earth deserves to have their life taken away, regardless of their past.

why?

Because (if you are religious) life is God given. Why oppose abortion then? You're doing the same thing, taking away a life. Personally, i'm not religious, however i am extremely opposed to the death penalty, its just not ethical.

taking away the life of an unborn child is in no way at all comparable to taking away the life of a convicted murderer

No. That is your opinion. A convicted criminals life is still a life .

how can you possibly sit there and say the life of a convicted murderer is just as valueable as the life of an innocent child?
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#4 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]

9/11 took place in 2001. NORAD has been around since 1958.

AnimeKiller

I don't know much about NORAD (and I'm guessin neither do you) but how are they supposed to find two planes out of the hundreds of flights every day?

With the use of modern day technology, it would be easy track a hijacked plane.

NORAD focuses on planes coming IN they never had a reason to track planes that are already here :|

"NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of a ballistic missile attack on North America and maintains continental detection, validation, warning and aerospace control of air-breathing threats to North America, to include peacetime alert levels and appropriate aerospace defense measures to respond to hostile actions against North America."

Just a quote from NORAD's Offical Mission Statement.

yeah, outside, as in, foreign, threats. Just because its their mission statement doesn't mean that they monitor for almost in-concievable methods for attacks on the United States

This can go on forever. What I'm trying to say is there is a reason why NORAD didn't do their job and the reason is 9/11 was an inside job. You guys can just believe what you want to believe and I will do the same.

yes, you can persist in your delusion, and we will stay here in the world called REALITY
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#5 verparanoidpers
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me personally i think that it was an inside job because if they have wanted to catch osama they would have done that already, i mean really the middle east war was just a cover up to make the country bigger and richersimonromano2007
nice to see you're backing up your side with evidence. and why exactly would we have cought him already if he's in pakistan?
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#6 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="SlashDementia3"]Taking a life any way is wrong, no matter what the crime... Do you not think of the person's family, or people who care for him? Yes they bring it on themselves but to go to such extremes... :S
People should stop generalizing and saying Christains do this and that, you can use "some christain" but hey that's just me talking... If a christian is in favor of it, he is probably just a christian in image and not at heart.
chrisrooR

IMO, some murderers are subhuman (IE child-killers)

that's your opinion, however, religiously speaking no one on earth deserves to have their life taken away, regardless of their past.

why?

Because (if you are religious) life is God given. Why oppose abortion then? You're doing the same thing, taking away a life. Personally, i'm not religious, however i am extremely opposed to the death penalty, its just not ethical.

taking away the life of an unborn child is in no way at all comparable to taking away the life of a convicted murderer
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#7 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]

9/11 took place in 2001. NORAD has been around since 1958.

AnimeKiller

I don't know much about NORAD (and I'm guessin neither do you) but how are they supposed to find two planes out of the hundreds of flights every day?

With the use of modern day technology, it would be easy track a hijacked plane.

NORAD focuses on planes coming IN they never had a reason to track planes that are already here :|

"NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of a ballistic missile attack on North America and maintains continental detection, validation, warning and aerospace control of air-breathing threats to North America, to include peacetime alert levels and appropriate aerospace defense measures to respond to hostile actions against North America."

Just a quote from NORAD's Offical Mission Statement.

yeah, outside, as in, foreign, threats. Just because its their mission statement doesn't mean that they monitor for almost in-concievable methods for attacks on the United States
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#8 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="SlashDementia3"]Taking a life any way is wrong, no matter what the crime... Do you not think of the person's family, or people who care for him? Yes they bring it on themselves but to go to such extremes... :S
People should stop generalizing and saying Christains do this and that, you can use "some christain" but hey that's just me talking... If a christian is in favor of it, he is probably just a christian in image and not at heart.
chrisrooR

IMO, some murderers are subhuman (IE child-killers)

that's your opinion, however, religiously speaking no one on earth deserves to have their life taken away, regardless of their past.

why?
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#9 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]

9/11 took place in 2001. NORAD has been around since 1958.

AnimeKiller

I don't know much about NORAD (and I'm guessin neither do you) but how are they supposed to find two planes out of the hundreds of flights every day?

With the use of modern day technology, it would be easy track a hijacked plane.

First off, that assumes everyone was aware that they wre hijacked.

Even then, why assume this was a major threat? Historically, hijackers would make demands from the government, and land the plane at an airport, usually in places like Cuba. From there, negotiations would take place.

There was no reason to believe a hijacked passenger airliner would be use to attack a building.

In 1993, World Trade Center was bombed. I think that is already a reason to believe a hijacked passenger airliner would be used to attack a building.

why?
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#10 verparanoidpers
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Taking a life any way is wrong, no matter what the crime... Do you not think of the person's family, or people who care for him? Yes they bring it on themselves but to go to such extremes... :S
People should stop generalizing and saying Christains do this and that, you can use "some christain" but hey that's just me talking... If a christian is in favor of it, he is probably just a christian in image and not at heart.
SlashDementia3
IMO, some murderers are subhuman (IE child-killers)