How did this thread turn from a versus between two games, to teaching someone how to play The Last of Us?

Sounds more like bad luck than anything. I played through the first time on hard, and never faced any of these problems. The gameplay was one of my favorite parts, though nothing trumps the excellent narrative.

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The game isn't challenging. It's just tedious and trial and error. Multiple times while I was playing Clickers would just become alerted to me for no reason (which makes these segments incredibly monotonous because if you try moving faster than a beached whale on your third attempt they'll get you). I've had entire areas full of Clickers become alerted to me while I was standing still not even remotely near them.

I've also had 50 hunters become alerted to me on the floor below me in a building because I lightly brushed against a plastic bottle.

It's just obnoxious.

Shame-usBlackley

All stealth games are trial and error. Hell, most GAMES are trial and error. Nights Into Dreams, a game you gave a 10, has a decent amount of trial and error to it. 

The other thing about The Last of Us is that it doesn't force you to play it as a stealth game. There's nothing stopping you from throwing a molotov into a group of enemies, shooting a few in the head, and then dropping a Clicker or two with a shiv. The game rewards stealth play, but it's far from the only option.

Dang, I forgot Rayman Origins, Journey, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and Twilight Princess. Maybe on a top 15 or 20.

#10. Final Fantasy XIII

#9. Red Dead Redemption

#8. Fallout 3

#7. Uncharted 2

#6. The Last of Us

#5. The Walking Dead

#4. Grand Theft Auto IV

#3. Bioshock

#2. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

#1. Portal 2

I'd love to see your guys' selections.

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I was surprised at how the game played like ass.

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I'm not sure how tedious, trial and error gameplay with clunky, slow controls is the pinnacle of third-person shooting controls and gameplay. Vanquish does it better because it's actually fun and engaging to play. RE4, 5, and even 6 are more enjoyable to play than The Last of Us.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]since I went into TLoU expecting shitty gunplay, I was pleasantly surprised to see how wonderful the game's combat felt. 

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I was surprised at how the game played like ass.

I'm going with Infinite. Both games emphasise telling a story and wowing the player with visuals over having remotely good gameplay, but Infinite is more of just a really boring, repetitive slog that's pretty straightforward and easy. The Last of Us is a boring, repetitive slog that's also a tedious trial and error disaster.

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