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#1 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]You're clearly pro US and pro military. That's your agenda, don't be such a hypocrite kid.kuraimen

Lol, he's not. When I first came here, we had an argument about the Iraq war. He's not necessarily pro-US. You're just so vehemently anti-US that anyone who likes anything about the US is pro-US to you.

Well I've never seen him slam the US. Sure you will defend your pal though. I have made pro US comments too so I guess that makes me unbiased? You guys really need a crash course in logic...

No one is unbiased. That is a myth.
#2 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

@Palantas (aka military dump dude):

Loving the leader is a characteristic of many armies around the world. In my country, the army is brain washed into it almost in all activities, from daily training to entertaiment. It is almost as bad as North Korea.

I know you can actually "disobeys" an unethical order, but come the f*ck on. The people of Iran have the right to overthrow the Grand Ayatollah, yet the chances of that happening is next to nothing. And before you go and google some individual cases of soldiers who chose to disobey unethical orders, the ones who obeyed are much more. Keep in mind I am not talking exclusively about the US army.

#3 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

1. You've been called out already by two people who obviously know more than you, but sure, keep posting; I'm sure it'll turn out well for you. I don't care if you said "many of them." You can change the parts of my post to "many," and they still sound ridiculous. Plenty of soldiers dislike Obama, and most all of them complain about their leaders. No one has ever said "I love my commander," as you seem to think is the case. You obviously have no f*cking idea what you're talking about and are just making sh!t up.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

And I like how ignored the part that talks about patriotism.

Palantas

2. When someone is an obvious bullsh!tter, as you are, I don't really feel a need to address their posts in depth, but whatever...

I'll post this again, since I guess you missed it:

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]I have sympathy for them because they are being used and brain washed into patriotism.Palantas

Dude, have you actually met any soldiers? Maybe they're just doing it for fun, or because it's a better job than they could get otherwise. Maybe they're doing it for college money or to acquire certain skills. For f*ck's sake, you've seen Apocalypse Now, and even if that is your only reference on military life, did Captain Willard or Colonel Kurtz strike you as particularly brainwashed, patriotic people? The Army is a diverse employer, and the bullsh!t university version of "diverse" where you have people of ten different nationalities who all spout the same correct-think, but actual diversity of race, background, and opinion. People join the service for all kinds of reasons.

Yeah, I addressed the patrotism part. Soldiers have diverse opinions on the US government and foreign policy.

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

#4 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

I know many soldiers and many of them share one thing: blind love of their leaders and country.

Palantas

LOL, bullsh!t. I was in the US Army for a decade and you are full of sh!t. You're telling me that every US military member blindly loves Obama?

Does that sound incredibly stupid to anyone else, even people with zero military experience?

And as for their military leaders, they are criticized by their subordinates, officer and enlisted, constantly. People b!tch about their commanders all the time. What you're saying is the same thing as "Every employee of X company loves their bosses." Again, does that sound incredibly stupid to anyone else?

There are people besides myself on this forum who have been or are in the military. Don't write BS; you will get called on it.

Fist of all, I said, "Many of them." Even though you might hate your leader, you have to follow his or her orders. And I like how ignored the part that talks about patriotism.
#5 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Dude, have you actually met any soldiers? Maybe they're just doing it for fun, or because it's a better job than they could get otherwise. Maybe they're doing it for college money or to acquire certain skills. For f*ck's sake, you've seen Apocalypse Now, and even if that is your only reference on military life, did Captain Willard or Colonel Kurtz strike you as particularly brainwashed, patriotic people? The Army is a diverse employer, and the bullsh!t university version of "diverse" where you have people of ten different nationalities who all spout the same correct-think, but actual diversity of race, background, and opinion. People join the service for all kinds of reasons.

LJS9502_basic

I know many soldiers and many of them share one thing: blind love of their leaders and country.

Following orders is the most important "feature" of a soldier. Even if the order was highly unethical, soldiers do them.

What country are you in...because in the states that is definitely not the case. And before you tell me about soldiers you know....I served in the army. I think I have a better perspective since I was on the inside than you on the outside.

It is the case. In the army, orders take precedent over ethics. Read about the history of the states.
#6 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]Soldiers are errands boys, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill. I have sympathy for them because they are being used and brain washed into patriotism.Palantas

Dude, have you actually met any soldiers? Maybe they're just doing it for fun, or because it's a better job than they could get otherwise. Maybe they're doing it for college money or to acquire certain skills. For f*ck's sake, you've seen Apocalypse Now, and even if that is your only reference on military life, did Captain Willard or Colonel Kurtz strike you as particularly brainwashed, patriotic people? The Army is a diverse employer, and the bullsh!t university version of "diverse" where you have people of ten different nationalities who all spout the same correct-think, but actual diversity of race, background, and opinion. People join the service for all kinds of reasons.

I know many soldiers and many of them share one thing: blind love of their leaders and country.

Following orders is the most important "feature" of a soldier. Even if the order was highly unethical, soldiers do them.

#7 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Yeah well i hace no sympathy for an army that is used to invade countries and murder innocent people around the worldPalantas

So you have no sympathy for any armies? Very well then. Thank you for sharing your feelings.

Soldiers are errands boys, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill. I have sympathy for them because they are being used and brain washed into patriotism.
#8 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
Bach>>>>>>Both.themajormayor
My man
#9 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="fluffy_puppy666"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]
>Also....enjoying something more does not mean something is better. Contrary to belief, you can (more or less) objectively look at the music and judge who is the better composer.

No, you cant. I ask you again: what criteria can you use to claim that one piece of art is better than another piece of art? Saying that one composer is better than another is like saying that "red" is a more beautiful color than "blue", it just makes no sense. If you think that a better composer is a composer that does more complex composing, then its your opinion; if you think that a better composer is the one that makes original composing, than its your opinion. One does not just look at a Van Gogh painting and say that its better or worse than Michelangelo, friend. [QUOTE="Nuck81"] Their music will stand the test of time. Sure there are great composers that will hold up over time. Shostokovich, Holst, Vaughn Williams, Percy Grianger, Phillip Sparke, but while genius composers they are not in the mold of Mozart or Beethoven. And I may not have listened to all artists that existed after the classical period, but have listened to far more than you, and more than probably all but a handfull of others on this forum. I'm a classically trained musician, I have a Bachelors and a Masters in Music, I teach high school band, Music History, Music Appreciation, Jazz Appreciation, and Humanities in my school. What your musical education and background?Ring_of_fire


>I'm a classically trained musician, I have a Bachelors and a Masters in Music, I teach high school band, Music History, Music Appreciation, Jazz Appreciation, and Humanities in my school.
>What your musical education and background?

You just showed how ignorant and how bad you are at your career just by using this fallaciousargument. If you have never heard of it, the name of the "argument" you used is AD HOMINEM, search for it and never do it again, its shameful and makes you look ridiculous. No offense.

>Shostokovich, Holst, Vaughn Williams, Percy Grianger, Phillip Sparke, but while genius composers they are not in the mold of Mozart or Beethoven.

As i just said to another friend on this thread, saying that one artist is better than another is like saying that "red" is better than "blue", there is no better color, there is no better artist. Art is not a concrete mathematical thing that you measure, art is not good or bad, art only depends on who sees it. Me, personally, i prefer Claude Debussy WAY more than Mozart. For me the classical period was really boring, the romantic and impressionest artists for me were much better. What criteria do you use to say that Mozart is better than Debussy? There is no criteria, its just being a elitist conservative pseudo musician.

Please. You can look at the music (Not the recorded sounds, but the actual score) and see what the composer did in regards to the structure of the piece. The form, the orchestration, the complexity of harmonic development, the faithfulness to the genre s/he is composing in (And if deviations from the conventions of the genre made sense). These are, more or less, measureable and objective. There is a reason we remember Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart rather than Karl Ditters von Dittersdorf.

and once again...........enjoying something more=/=something is better.

There has been good music in every era. However, comparing an era to another, you can easily observe that classical music is much better than today's music in terms of structure, harmony, and ideas. You just do not have that commitment nowadays by musicians because people do not care. You have a degree in music so you probably know that. Compare the structure of a Bach fugue to a piece you consider "good" from this current era. If you are judging the two pieces musically you can clearly see that the Bach fugue is better. This is coming from someone who likes metal and trance music too!
#10 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
Because the perceived quality by customers will automatically decrease. That is a rule of marketing. The higher the price, the higher the perceived quality. No wonder we have an Apple "cult" because many of those idiots think that Apple products have extremely high quality.