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#1 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

wow there is a lot of misinformation about steam in here, to the people that were saying games can come drm free that is a flatout lie,

The executables have hooks to Steam which will start steam. Steam is requied to play steam purchased games. I think people aren't understanding the difference between portable and drm free. Yes you can easily copy them to another drive/pc and run them, in which case will want to start steam first.

Also offline mode works much like xbox's, I just don't think it's as intrusive as every 24 hours. I imagine its more of an adaptive system where the more you try to run in offline mode, the more likely it's going to want to keep checking in. Otherwise the checkin seems random, sometimes it wants to check in when you restart steam for w/e reason. Sometimes it feels like you get away wiht a lot of offline mode.

Your not supposed to lend people your account. Thats really a big no no, but I imagine you can get away with it on any system. It'll be slitghtly harder on xbox.

I think xbox seems slightly more flexible with lending people games, or at least will be. I have no problem with xbox's licensing as described, after all steam has worked fine for me. I'm just hoping the retail market doesn't try to keep high prices, or microsoft try's to maintain those prices actively stiffling competition since they now control the entire software market on xbox. That's not the case on PC where competition is fierce.

savagetwinkie
Exactly. I have some of these supposed "drm free" games and they do launch Steam first. Good post.
#2 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]Xbox Cable is setting an awful precedent for console DRM. Lend a game Once ? :lol: Steam >>>>> Xbox Cable

Funny you say that because on Steam you can't lend any games at all. You can't re-sell you games you bought even the ones you bought from retail. It is a terrible DRM that people keep spreading legs for because of the deals and nothing more.
#3 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

On Steam:

1) You have to be connected to the internet to activate any new games, even the ones you bought from retail.

2) Constantly gets greeted by annoying pop-up when you launch the client.

3) NO USED GAMES AT ALL! You can't legally sell your games under their EULA.

4) No game sharing beside giving your account to somebody else.

5) Offline mode is really spotty and can get very buggy at some times.

6) You can't get unbanned from VAC if your account was hacked and the hacker used cheats on VAC servers. You have to re-buy all these games.

7) System was forced on the consumers on 2004 specially with the release of HL2. Many copies of that game required Steam to function when Steam was really buggy and crappy. This is the definition of anti-consumer right there.

On Xbone:

1) Connect at least once every 24, which sucks.

2) Used games will still exist, but the market will be more controlled.

3) Sharing will be available (up to 10 family members).

4) Loaning the games or giving away to friends will be avalible (not on launch).

So why does Gamespot posters defend the POS that is STEAM in arms? If people are really agains the POS that is DRM and the Xbone then perhaps they need to stick to their principles and fight big Gabe Newell too since his policies are even worse regarding used games. No wonder his ass is getting kicked by EU courts where this crap can't pass there.

I get that people enjoy the savings, but would those people support the xbone if prices were cheaper? Are people really okay with crappy DRM if they are saving a few bucks even if the DRM is anti-consumer? Are gamers simply addicted and can't stop gaming no matter how bad the treatment they get is?

OneInchMan99

They both sound ****ing awful,lets hope PS4 delivers.

Sony's silence is alarming. I hope they do deliver indeed.
#4 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingfire11"][QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Steam does have worse DRM compared to what's been released for X1.  Games are cheaper but that's after a long period of time.  New releases for high profile games are still 60 dollars at launch. 

wolverine4262
Yep. You have to wait for the sales. And let's not forget that MS might do sales too in the future even though this is unlikely IMO, it is still possible.

A lot of new releases on steam are marked down 10% or so if you preorder. Also, many new releases will come with bonus stuff like extra games. For example, I got Xcom for free with Bioshock Infinite.

This is your typical preoder offers. Many stores do offers for preorders for console gaming too. Also, on the PS3 you can get BioShock infinite and the disc includes Bioshock 1, then you can create even more value by selling your disc to somebody else. On Steam you have no right to sell anything.
#5 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

On Steam:

1) You have to be connected to the internet to activate any new games, even the ones you bought from retail.

2) Constantly gets greeted by annoying pop-up when you launch the client.

3) NO USED GAMES AT ALL! You can't legally sell your games under their EULA.

4) No game sharing beside giving your account to somebody else.

5) Offline mode is really spotty and can get very buggy at some times.

6) You can't get unbanned from VAC if your account was hacked and the hacker used cheats on VAC servers. You have to re-buy all these games.

7) System was forced on the consumers on 2004 specially with the release of HL2. Many copies of that game required Steam to function when Steam was really buggy and crappy. This is the definition of anti-consumer right there.

 

On Xbone:

1) Connect at least once every 24, which sucks.

2) Used games will still exist, but the market will be more controlled.

3) Sharing will be available (up to 10 family members).

4) Loaning the games or giving away to friends will be avalible (not on launch).

So why does Gamespot posters defend the POS that is STEAM in arms? If people are really agains the POS that is DRM and the Xbone then perhaps they need to stick to their principles and fight big Gabe Newell too since his policies are even worse regarding used games. No wonder his ass is getting kicked by EU courts where this crap can't pass there.

I get that people enjoy the savings, but would those people support the xbone if prices were cheaper? Are people really okay with crappy DRM if they are saving a few bucks even if the DRM is anti-consumer? Are gamers simply addicted and can't stop gaming no matter how bad the treatment they get is?

 

 

 

AmazonTreeBoa
You left out one thing....the main thing.....the only thing that matters.....PRICE. If people could get their games on the X1 for the prices they can on Steam, nobody would be bitching. But it isn't going to work that way. Unlike Steam, X1 is a closed platform and the only dealer in town. On PC Steam isn't the only dealer in town, so Steam has to stay competitive. With the X1, there is no competition, so they will charge you whatever they wish and you will have to bend over and take it if you want that game. Or go without.

So I get that if the price is right, you would do things you would otherwise never do? Like for example giving up your consumer rights.
#6 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

Steam does have worse DRM compared to what's been released for X1.  Games are cheaper but that's after a long period of time.  New releases for high profile games are still 60 dollars at launch. 

jimmypsn
Yep. You have to wait for the sales. And let's not forget that MS might do sales too in the future even though this is unlikely IMO, it is still possible.
#7 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

when M$ sell cheap games like steam you can talk

Plus i don-t need to be online to play them

Eddie-Vedder
Nor do you need to use steam, these ignorant lems don't seem to understand, steam is a popular option because it's SOOO cheap and has so many cool features, you don't even need to buy off steam and you can still add your games to steam. And again slowly, even buying from steam, not all games have DRM, honestly most don't.

I agree that the prices are very attractive. But please look around you. People are completely against the DRM that MS is introducing and those consumers are not even bringing the price argument into the equation. So far i haven't seen any media outlet or popular forums say, "hey if we get teh dealz then its cool." Everybody is against it because it is "anti-consumer." I can see your point and I hope you can see mine. Personally, I don't give a shit either. I go where my wallet is most comfortable, but again I don't argue against the Xbone for ethical reasons and then go praise the mighty ass of Gabe Newell
#8 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Who cares if you can't sell or buy used when you can buy games new for 2$.

Are you drunk? When could you ever buy any brand new game for $2 on Steam?

He didn't say buy brand new games. He said buy games new.

He can also buy used on Steam and save even more at an earlier time!....oh wait...
#9 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -

[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]PC games are so cheap that you don't need to sell them. DRM is fine with PC. PCs aren't meant for you to lug around and play. PCs are stationary gaming/entertainment systems.Sharpie125

So much this. If we want our friends playing games, we'll gift it to them.

Having your games readily available and always tied to your account is a major boon, not the other way around. If XBL wasn't a paid service, I would applaud their ownership policy and actually buy the Xbox. 

And just fyi, you can turn off that popup when you start up Steam/exit a game. Some people find it helpful, but I don't. Haven't seen it in years.

And I have no problem with your views. My problem is with those hypocrites who scream against the Xbone for its DRM policies yet form kissing parties on Newell's giant ass even though Steam DRM is even worse (no used games at all, no lending at all).
#10 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"][QUOTE="kingfire11"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"] PC games are so cheap that you don't need to sell them. DRM is fine with PC. PCs aren't meant for you to lug around and play. PCs are stationary gaming/entertainment systems.

DVD movies are cheap too yet the used market still exists and shit will blow out if movie studios try to kill it. Gaming is changing. Many people are gaming on touch screens and laptops nowadays so the ability to sell your games is important. Also, consoles by nature are stationary devices too!

I can think of many times when I would bring my console to someone's house to play. I would not do that with my PC. PC is a stationary device. If you had to bring your PC with you to play games, why would you go somewhere that didn't have internet?

Ever heard of Gaming laptops? You know Steam runs on those too.