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#1 jcbullen
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Yeah, I think I'm going to go ahead and RMA it. If they weren't going to pay for shipping, I probably wouldn't. Admittedly, I did take the picture from an angle and in the dark which makes it way worse than in normal settings, but still.

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#2 jcbullen
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I just got a QNIX 27 inch 1440p monitor. It's great, no dead pixels (ordered the perfect model because it only cost $15 more even though people say it's a scam :/). My only issue is that there is a weird gray smudge when anything dark is displayed on the monitor.

Does anybody else have this issue with a monitor? What is it? It looks like when you press on a monitor a little bit and the colors get all distorted, but it's permanent.

I can RMA it to Newegg and they'll pay shipping, but my other concern is that I'll get a different monitor with an even worse problem, like dead pixels that they won't RMA since even the "perfect" version still has some allowable ones.

Any chance I can just fix the one I've got somehow?

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#3 jcbullen
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This monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4JH1NB1871

looks like a pretty good deal. With Black Friday/Cyber Monday in a couple months, I was wondering if monitors like this go on cheap sales, or if this is likely to be nearly as low as I'll find.

Does anybody have any 1440p monitor suggestions?

Also, does anybody have any experience with non "pixel perfect" buys?

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#4  Edited By jcbullen
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You don't need AA as high at 1440 to get smooth edges so that's not going to be a problem. And I'm not asking this card to last 5 years. I don't see games asking for 4gb VRAM in the recommended specs (except CoD) that are looming on the horizon. Anyways, it's too late since I already bought the card, and you aren't really being helpful at this point.

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#5 jcbullen
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I ended up grabbing another 780 directcu ii 3gb. In the end I just don't think the difference between 3gb and 4gb of VRAM is going to make that much of a difference in the near future. The newer cards are nice with the features and reduced power consumption, but I think it would have cost more than I wanted to spend to get 1 x 980 or 2 x 970s. Also, it came with the new Borderlands, which my friend wants and I can just give it to him for his birthday to save $50. I think $260 in the end is a good deal.

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The only game I can find that says 4GB (in the optimal requirements) is the next CoD. Can you name any others? If I can get into 2016 without a problem just by adding a $300 card, I'll be fine.

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#7  Edited By jcbullen
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@Coseniath said:
@jcbullen said:

I see what you are saying. Since the cards aren't released yet, for the sake of an easy discussion, we can pretend that the GTX960 may have very slightly worse single card performance, but the same or slightly better SLI performance for the same price as adding in another 780. The cards look like they will still hit the same 3GB VRAM wall, so I would have to upgrade them eventually anyways to be able to take advantage of new games that use, let's say, 6GB VRAM. It seems like I would be getting into pretty much the same situation with SLI'ing either of the two cards down the road, and until then would be likely enjoying relatively similar performances. I could buy the 780 now, or I could wait until the new cards are released, but then I would also want to wait until the release non-reference models as well. I think considering money/performance, I would be pretty happy with either choice.

Actually waiting for non-reference models is not true. Maxwell had non-reference models from day 1.

Hell GTX970 didn't even have a reference model, only non-reference lol...

Although my expectatiions is that GTX960 will be the GTX970M with a lot higher clocks and as GTX970M will have 3GB VRAM, rumors till now talking of 4GB VRAM. Lets see then...

I agree on one part. That money/performance will be the same.

You will just get lower temps, lower power consumption, DX12, DSR, MFAA, VXGI etc etc..

I am just telling you to wait a couple weeks. In the end GTX780SLI might deliver better performance. But in the same time the only way GTX780 price can go is... down...

I was under the impression that DX12 is going to be compatible on the 700 series cards? Lower power consumption would be nice since I'll be pushing the limits of my current PSU with the dual 780s. The temps aren't a big deal for me, I've got the NZXT Phantom with tons of airflow and my current card doesn't go above 60C under maximum load.

I didn't realize that they skipped over reference models lol, I haven't been paying too much attention to new gpus. I kind of doubt that the 780 will go much lower in price before it becomes unavailable.

I guess it really just boils down to the fact that I'm super impatient and would prefer to buy a card now instead of waiting until something else that will likely be very similar to release. Also, I don't want to get Craigslist murdered selling my current card. I appreciate your input on the matter.

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#8 jcbullen
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@Coseniath said:
@jcbullen said:

From what I'm seeing on rumors and stuff, the GTX 960 doesn't look like it will have more than 3GB VRAM, it will perform perform near or below GTX 780 levels, and cost $250. If that's the case, I could spend $250 on one of those for something that isn't better, or $500 on SLI. Doesn't it make more sense to spend $300 on SLI (if I'm going to SLI anything) right now? I know SLI isn't as optimal is a single new card, but for $300 I think it would help out in keeping games at 60FPS at 1440p for a while, until I'm ready for 4K in which case I'll just upgrade everything.

When I was talking about GTX960, I didn't mean that it would have great performance but it would offer similar to GTX780 performance at lower prices.

Considering the new tech and the cheaper price (assuming you will sell GTX780 for $200) with $500 you will have a better setup since in SLI reviews I saw Maxwell scales better.

But as I said performance is not my point. My point is that the a 2nd GTX780 performance upgrade right now, is not worth $300.

Now if you don't want to wait and you will change again your dual GTX780 in the future, for a GPU setup that will be able to play 4K and you have $300 that you don't want in your wallet any more, then go for it...

I see what you are saying. Since the cards aren't released yet, for the sake of an easy discussion, we can pretend that the GTX960 may have very slightly worse single card performance, but the same or slightly better SLI performance for the same price as adding in another 780. The cards look like they will still hit the same 3GB VRAM wall, so I would have to upgrade them eventually anyways to be able to take advantage of new games that use, let's say, 6GB VRAM. It seems like I would be getting into pretty much the same situation with SLI'ing either of the two cards down the road, and until then would be likely enjoying relatively similar performances. I could buy the 780 now, or I could wait until the new cards are released, but then I would also want to wait until the release non-reference models as well. I think considering money/performance, I would be pretty happy with either choice.

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#9  Edited By jcbullen
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@KHAndAnime said:

@jcbullen said:

@KHAndAnime said:

I don't recommend it. 3gb of VRAM is barely enough to run some newer games at max settings at 1080P (with little to no AA). 1440P with 3GB of VRAM will be bottlenecked by VRAM by pretty much any newer game (like the new Middle Earth game, for example).

If you want to be running new games at high/max settings over the next couple years at 1440P (with any MSAA), another 780 definitely won't cut it. You want more VRAM, or stick to 1080P.

With the way video RAM and resolution works is that 1440P requires top-end videocards with extra video ram. 780 isn't top end any more, and neither is two. 4k requires an even more ridiculous setup. 1440P and 4k is only the future if you can keep your PC constantly upgraded.

You seem to be one of the only people that I can find who is saying the 3gb of vram is not enough for 1440p. Obviously games would benefit at 1440p with more vram, but from what I've seen the FPS hit you get with 3gb is negligible, at least for now. I could see it possibly being a future proofing problem.

Maybe other users thought you were asking about the present, but I figured you were asking about the future. The thing is, right now, you already won't be running Middle Earth at max settings at 1440P. Probably not Watch Dogs either (not with any MSAA).

My end game here is I also want to upgrade to a 1440p monitor and be able to max out new games with 60fps or higher.

To clarify, you can run most games out now at max settings at 1440P. If that what's you want, another 780 will be fine for that. I assumed you're looking towards the future. Any games attempting to push graphics here on out - chances are looking low that you'd max them with 3gb of VRAM at 1440P. Hell, I'd be nervous even with 4gb of VRAM.

From what I've read, it looks like the only things that are currently pushing past 3gb VRAM usage are either poorly optimized, or (for example) run pretty much as well using 3GB on a 3GB card as they do running 4GB on a 6GB card.

I understand that eventually the VRAM will be limiting, but does that seem like something that will be a problem in the next couple years? I imagine I'll want to upgrade to 4K around then, and I feel like doing the 780 SLI in the meantime will ensure that games keep running optimally. I'm already seeing 30-40 FPS on ultra at 1080p as is in a few games. At 1440p would be even worse with just the 1 card.

Also, if you are thinking that 4GB of VRAM is already cutting it too close, shouldn't I upgrade to something in the future that is quite a bit higher than that? In the meantime, I imagine I'd be satisfied with the 780 SLI.

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#10 jcbullen
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@Coseniath said:
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Or I can not buy anything at the moment, deal with what I've got, and buy a brand new generation video card in a few years with a 4K monitor. I think when more than 3gb VRAM is definitely necessary, instead of arguably or potentially necessary, is when I would want to jump up to the next level.

Well necessary is not even the 2GB. Most games are playable with good settings at 1080p with just 1280MB VRAM (GTX570).

But when you are paying an other $300 for a GPU, you want more than just "definitely necessary".

In the end GTX960 is near, with performance expected at GTX780 levels and a pricetag of $200-$250.

I am following gaming GPU industry since Voodoo 1 eras. If you haven't SLI before a new architecture is out, SLI for older architectures always seem to be a lesser choice than buying a new architecture GPU.

SLI was never ment to be an upgrade option after 2 years. GPU architectures and gaming industry always advanced that much that it wouldn't be a good option.

If I were you I would just stay with GTX780 which is a great GPU and when 4K industry is ready (good and cheap monitors + GPUs ready like GM200) I would buy then both.

From what I'm seeing on rumors and stuff, the GTX 960 doesn't look like it will have more than 3GB VRAM, it will perform perform near or below GTX 780 levels, and cost $250. If that's the case, I could spend $250 on one of those for something that isn't better, or $500 on SLI. Doesn't it make more sense to spend $300 on SLI (if I'm going to SLI anything) right now? I know SLI isn't as optimal is a single new card, but for $300 I think it would help out in keeping games at 60FPS at 1440p for a while, until I'm ready for 4K in which case I'll just upgrade everything.