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#1 HailtotheQueen
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@The_Last_Ride said:

Simple, Anita has no evidence behind her claims that games or the gaming industry is sexist. Not even the journalists asks for proof. It's a lie

LOL When my documentary is released, please let me know how your words taste after I make you eat them. ;O)

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#2  Edited By HailtotheQueen
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@The_Last_Ride said:

@hailtothequeen said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Chozofication said:

Welcome to mainstream media.

Still pisses me off though, anita is a real pos.

That does not excuse bad journalism. They don't show both sides. They didn't do research, deleting comments and 25k dislikes as we speak

GamerGaters aren't exactly known for showing both sides either. As for trying to silence people, they also have a habit of derailing threads to get them deleted. *cough*

people are for doxxing us, comparing us to ISIS, and claim we've done genocide. Don't you think this is a little bit extreme?

I don't know, do you think the death and rape threats are extreme? Do you think comparing feminists and "SJWs" as Nazis is extreme? So far, from what I have seen the numbers of people from the other side doing these things are nowhere near as high as the numbers of GamerGators doing them. Just look at any video about GG, especially one that is about one of the women involved, and watch the flood of vitriol that ensues. The majority of it comes from GamerGate and then they try to claim that those people aren't "true" members of GamerGate because, you know, gamers are all saints. The old "No True GamerGator" fallacy.

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#3 HailtotheQueen
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@The_Last_Ride said:

@Chozofication said:

Welcome to mainstream media.

Still pisses me off though, anita is a real pos.

That does not excuse bad journalism. They don't show both sides. They didn't do research, deleting comments and 25k dislikes as we speak

GamerGaters aren't exactly known for showing both sides either. As for trying to silence people, they also have a habit of derailing threads to get them deleted. *cough*

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@c_rakestraw said:

If I had to guess, I imagine it was deleted on the grounds of appearing as an advertisement. The post reads like a pitch rather than a general thread to discuss the film, especially since you're involved with it. I mean, granted, there was some discussion going on (before the Gamergate brigade derailed things), but, again: if I had to guess, I'd say it was deleted because the acting mod interpreted it as another drive-by advertisement.

If you'd like, I can try tracking down the acting moderator and ask for clarification on the matter.

Yes, thank you. Well, I want to point out a couple of things. I specifically mentioned in the post that the thread was mainly posted to see if any other female gamers wanted to get involved in the documentary. The second thing is that I am funding it myself so its not like I am here asking for money or wanting anyone to buy something. If it was removed because of GamerGate people trying to derail it then that is hardly fair considering that I made it a point not to engage in discussions with them about GamerGate, If that is the case then they can just use that as a cheap tactic to get any anti-GG thread closed down.

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@sabretooth2066 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

@JustPlainLucas said:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/hatred-rated-adults-only-in-north-america/1100-642

To be honest, not surprised at all. Really, the violence is no worse than other games I've played, but it's the context that pushed the ESRB over the limit. I really don't know what Destructive Creations can do to scale it down to an M, considering the context is interwoven into the game's entire concept.

The big question now is: will Steam eventually sell it considering they don't sell AO games?

This was exactly my problem with this game. Its not the violence itself, its the context. I'd say the AO rating was well-deserved. Hopefully this game will fade into gaming history without making much of an impact. Its best for the industry as a whole.

you hypocrites should rather worry about REAL problems these days, you know..regarding the REAL life of people and not some friggin pixel-lifes in a goddamn game, do you really think it matters to the world out there if this game has a success or not ? do you think its bad for the industry if such a game has a success ??

seriously who fuckin cares ? gamers who like it will play it and if you dont like it just dont play it, whats with all you hypocrites wishing the game not to succeed ? i dont get it, what is it your problem if the game succeeds or not ?

i dont get you people, lets pretend this game will be a total success....will this cause you sleepless nights then or what ? are you scared of more real-life-rampages then or what exactly is your major problem with a possible success of this game ?

As I have explained before, I want it to fail because the game is bad for the industry. I know where this is going to go if it is successful and, trust me, you don't want it going there. Gaming as a whole could pay a heavy price.

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#6  Edited By HailtotheQueen
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I'm curious to know why my thread is completely gone. It wasn't locked, it was just removed entirely and I got no message explaining why. I specifically made it a point not to get into arguments in the thread to avoid getting it closed down and it happened anyway. So I'm curious as to why?

EDIT: Actually I'm not sure if it is deleted or not. Someone else just commented on it but the thread is not showing up on the forum for me and when I try to click on the link for it, I get a 404 error.

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@The_Last_Ride said:

I am going to respond to you anyways

Sigh

As I already said, I am NOT debating the GG issue in THIS thread. This is only to discuss the documentary. And fyi, all of those GamerGate arguments you just made will be addressed in the bonus video which will dismantle all of their most common claims.

@JangoWuzHere said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@hailtothequeen:

Why would attacking GG create a backlash? We're only going to criticize you if it's stupid.

The GamersGate community is well known for attacking others with different opinions. Look at the posts in this thread. She hasn't even made the documentary and already people are somehow offended.

Yeah, its hilarious that the "Rage Machine" is already at 100% outrage and I haven't even STARTED on the video yet. I'm guessing we will see a gaming apocalypse when I actually release it. LOL

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#8  Edited By HailtotheQueen
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@cdragon_88 said:

Sounds good, but please do remain true to facts. I find that most arguments about sexism in videogames involve in little substance. It seems more towards a matter of perspective rather than actual sexism. Case in point: A video game cover shows a Female in the boxart with clothes that can be considered sexy wear: sexist--because it shows a female in sexy wear promoting her as a sex icon. A video game cover shows a male with no shirt on revealing his masculinity--not sexist and no one gives two shits about it. As I have stated, a matter of perspective. I truly do not believe that it is neither sexist or non-sexist(?) but rather a marketing ploy to sell games. In fact, arguing that both cases are sexist towards both genders would be the better choice as both genders are being exploited for their sexuality (attractive female, strong cool male), but yet, I have seen nothing but only feminist movements. A very one-sided and close-minded response. The fact is, no gender has actually been discriminated against. I have not seen any evidence of either gender that one is less value than the other.

If you are to argue for sexism in video-games--I would rather you not. We've seen enough in media formats to know and understand that the male gender dominates. Comics? Male superheroes plenty over females. Movies? Males usually the lead and save the female. Music? Rappers are male dominated. Etc etc. We've even reached the point in where a movie such as (ahem) Frozen is called different and of a different caliber simply because it does not follow the same cliched genre of Males being princes and saving the girl. (good movie--putting it out there) So no, I do not believe that arguing for sexism inside the video game format is something that you would need to do. If we are to argue for just video games then we are keeping our minds and the scope of this "sexism" movement too small. Why are videogames singled out? It shouldn't be.

Now if you are to argue about sexism in the business of video games, that is a different beast all together. This is something worth investigating into. Are females really discriminated against in the business? Are companies more likely to hire a male over a female because they believe the female is not able to do the job simply because of gender? Are females being given smaller roles in the company? Are they less likely to be promoted? Are their wages likely less that that of an male counter-part because of their gender? Etc, etc.

So please, if you can, argue with facts and substance.

Again, I am not going to debate this issue in THIS thread. It exists only to discuss the documentary itself and see if anyone wants to get involved. Save the debate for the other threads.

But I will say one thing...

"The fact is, no gender has actually been discriminated against. I have not seen any evidence of either gender that one is less value than the other."

Wow... And that is the crux of the problem. You think it doesn't exist because you don't personally experience it or its not sexism from your perspective. You need to learn to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

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@ojmstr said:

Sounds awesome, you have my support. Please keep us updated. I think it's great to get some insight in what type of games you female gamers enjoy the most and what you dislike when it comes to gaming in general. I have a 5 year old daughter who loves videogames so i might learn a thing or two from you. Good luck with your project:)

That is always awesome to hear. Be sure that she doesn't let anyone chase her away from gaming or tell her that she can't be as good as anyone else. I'm not really sure that there is a specific type of game female gamers as a whole enjoy the most. MMORPGs seem to be the biggest one according to statistics but we are also catching up in my favorite genre, FPS games.

@mastermetal777 said:

@hailtothequeen: if you need help with research, I'm game. I have a large game library as well, and am in need of something to keep me busy inbetween school and getting enlisted in the Air Force.

Oh I'm sure you will be able to help with something. Right now we are just getting started so I am not sure exactly what we will need but I will be making frequent updates about the project on my blog. I'll probably have a better idea of what you could do in a week or so.

@JustPlainLucas said:

When I mean non-biased, I mean exactly that. Don't target and try to twist a game's intent around like Anita did with Hitman, for example.

That isn't even needed. Everything will be shown in its full context.

@KHAndAnime said:

An unbiased study clearly isn't happening either based on that attitude lol

This is already a fail

Unbiased study? I never claimed it would be anything of the sort. Its a documentary from the perspective of women in the community and industry who have dealt with the sexism so of course it's biased. Much like how you most likely think sexism isn't a problem because you don't personally have to deal with it. However, there will be a lot of statistics and facts included to support our view.

@toast_burner said:

Bias isn't a bad thing. It's when you twist facts to fit your bias that it's bad.

You shouldn't spread lies just to be more neutral.

Exactly. And I won't need to twist any facts. They will pretty much speak for themselves.

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#10 HailtotheQueen
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@JustPlainLucas said:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/hatred-rated-adults-only-in-north-america/1100-642

To be honest, not surprised at all. Really, the violence is no worse than other games I've played, but it's the context that pushed the ESRB over the limit. I really don't know what Destructive Creations can do to scale it down to an M, considering the context is interwoven into the game's entire concept.

The big question now is: will Steam eventually sell it considering they don't sell AO games?

This was exactly my problem with this game. Its not the violence itself, its the context. I'd say the AO rating was well-deserved. Hopefully this game will fade into gaming history without making much of an impact. Its best for the industry as a whole.