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#1 fanirama
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Well, Steam is another DRM platform of distribution and tbh, there isn't really much of a difference from the platform aspect between Steam or Origin. They're both DRM platforms and thus equivalent to me on that front. Steam has been around a lot longer and is much more mature. Origin is new and is not that mature yet but will be eventually. The thing of hatred is that always online part.
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#2 fanirama
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The letters EA don't exist in the word LOGIC
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#3 fanirama
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I agree with you but look at all the people who bought the game. They caused the server issues because no one listens and people forget very easily. Think of it this way - you pay $60 for a game, you get 60 hours enjoyment out of it, then people will continue to buy it and companies like EA and Blizzard forever change the gaming models much to our chagrin. Who're the real losers here? Actually, that might be people like us because we miss out on that enjoyment on principle while others keep buying into this model. We think the future of gaming is bleak, but others don't care. Look at games like Call of Duty, Madden etc. Same game every year running on 5 year old game engine with just updated maps every year sold first as $60 game and then 4 "new" "retouched" maps from prior games for $15 only or season pass for $30 etc. And it sells MILLIONS of copies. This means gamers like that model. And piracy is a factor, no matter how much you say it isn't. I hate pirates and piracy and it is so easy to pirate games today (or music or games) that I understand why they go to extreme lengths to protect their IP. There are lots of things to consider but always look at it from your perspective only. Complaining about it doesn't really do much unless it goes viral. Not buying it doesn't really matter if it is < 0.5% loss of sales for the company. (evident from server overloads meaning a lot of people actually bought it). After Diablo 3 I swore never to buy another online-only game and I won't buy SimCity either but I feel like I'm missing out on some things. Take also Dark Souls. Bought it on PS3, Loved it. Bought on PC BUT! you have to be online all the time to play the game, else it won't save (because it uses GFWL which needs you to be logged in to Xbox Live). Hate that model (although I haven't had other troubles with GFWL, others swear it is evil). On principle, I won't buy this game and I am appalled at the whole state of affairs but there isn't much choice here tbh. Don't deceive ourselves.
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#4 fanirama
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I wouldn't call them opinions. I would call them observations. When a player says that you cannot build subways, highways and that the city is half the size of the smallest in sim city 4 and that you're required to play online, these are not opinions, they're observations. And I treat them seriously enough to not dish out $60 on a product which is clearly inferior given the state of technology and the decade long gap between it's predecessor. vahram90
Well said. I agree with you. There are lots of things which you don't need to personally experience to form observations about it, not just opinions. And this is one of them. And I agree. This game is a skip for me. Too bad because I was really looking forward to a SimCity game. I enjoyed CitiesXL for what its worth, but this game is not worth $60, and I have been bitten badly by Diablo 3 to never trust an online only game....ever.
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#5 fanirama
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[QUOTE="fanirama"][QUOTE="WCK619"]

when a thief takes something, the person who orginally had it no longer does. It's a transfer of content from one person to another without consent. Filesharing is copying where everyone involved is consenting and nobody loses their property. The anit-piracy group makes some good points sometimes, but this "thief" idea is just silly.

The whole idea of calling it an "entitlement" is another big fat lie, but I won't bother unraveling that ball of yarn here.

zfakta

So if someone makes a copy of your credit cards, social security card, passport etc. and uses your identity, then they are not a thief right because you, the original person, still have those things. Same for things like an idea - if you have an idea about something but someone else copies that from you, they are not a thief either, right? Willful filesharing is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about getting something that you haven't paid for. That, by definition, is a thief.

 

 

Worst example of the new millenium goes to.......You simply took his educated assessment and threw your middle school interpretation at it.

What are you? 10years old?
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#6 fanirama
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[QUOTE="fanirama"][QUOTE="WCK619"]

when a thief takes something, the person who orginally had it no longer does. It's a transfer of content from one person to another without consent. Filesharing is copying where everyone involved is consenting and nobody loses their property. The anit-piracy group makes some good points sometimes, but this "thief" idea is just silly.

The whole idea of calling it an "entitlement" is another big fat lie, but I won't bother unraveling that ball of yarn here.

DeliMeat567

So if someone makes a copy of your credit cards, social security card, passport etc. and uses your identity, then they are not a thief right because you, the original person, still have those things. Same for things like an idea - if you have an idea about something but someone else copies that from you, they are not a thief either, right? Willful filesharing is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about getting something that you haven't paid for. That, by definition, is a thief.

 

The "thief" there is the person stealing your money by using your credit cards. Every store you buy from has enough information to use your credit card. Everytime you buy online, they basically copy all your credit card information. When you get TV service or cable internet, they always asked me for my SSN. They become a thief when they take money from you - one person loses, another gains. When you pirate, you duplicate. So if credit cards worked the same way, I could steal your card and when I use money, it wouldn't take it from you.

That all being said, pirating is duplicating, which DOES matter when we are talking about intellectual property. You can't copy the Mona Lisa and say you own it. 

So I guess then you'd be ok if others have a copy of all personal data as long as they don't buy anything with it? Sorry, but I don't buy your argument. Making illegal identical copies of a game and obtaining it without paying for it is piracy and makes the person a thief.
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#9 fanirama
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when a thief takes something, the person who orginally had it no longer does. It's a transfer of content from one person to another without consent. Filesharing is copying where everyone involved is consenting and nobody loses their property. The anit-piracy group makes some good points sometimes, but this "thief" idea is just silly.

The whole idea of calling it an "entitlement" is another big fat lie, but I won't bother unraveling that ball of yarn here.

WCK619
So if someone makes a copy of your credit cards, social security card, passport etc. and uses your identity, then they are not a thief right because you, the original person, still have those things. Same for things like an idea - if you have an idea about something but someone else copies that from you, they are not a thief either, right? Willful filesharing is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about getting something that you haven't paid for. That, by definition, is a thief.
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#10 fanirama
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No, I'm not a pirate. I don't want it for free. Just because I don't like the game and their policies doesn't mean I'm entitled to download it for free. The developers who work on this are people like us. They made a bad decision by making it online only. I won't buy it and that is their punishment. Pirating it makes me a thief and I'm no thief