I feel like Nintendo broke a promise really. The problems with the Wii were poor third party support and a lack of robust online games. Nintendo said it was aware of these and the Wii U would not suffer from the same problems, but it has. I can't believe people on here still say things like 'it's only the first year' It's 2013, things like online gaming should now be a staple. Nintendo just doesn't seem to have a clue about the market anymore. 

You really can't say the third party support is good, even compared to the Wii. I mean when EA isn't even bothering to bring out FIFA on the Wii U because it's not worth it, speaks volumes. It doesn't matter if the console is powerful enough for developers to port, they will only do it if it's financially viable, which is clearly isn't for a lot of games. It's a catch 22, the Wii U has poor sales because of a lack of games, and there is a lack of games because of the poor sales.

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[QUOTE="AtelierFan"] Isn't that kind of what the WiiU is - I mean the whole off screen play/game pad thing essentially makes it a portable... of sorts. And really, with Nintendo going after the indie devs with more zeal to fill in the software void, the WiiU as the 'hybrid' you mention could be a somewhat reasonable stipulation.AtelierFan

Not quite because it's not fully portable and the hardware isn't in the GamePad itself.

If they made a WiiU GamePad style handheld with a HD screen and TV connectivity, then we have what I'm basically talking about.

No, I can just about play in the room directly below the system, but if I go to the corner of that room it loses signal.

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[QUOTE="trugs26"]

Bottom line is that I've had this same (or similar) arguments for well over 10 years. You're making points I've heard people make when I was in primary school. I'll be happy to burry my head in the sand rather than listen to the same arguments which is trending to be a life time. For example, I could argue your "wii skewed their figures" statement, but what's the point since another person is going to argue something similar in the very near future about Nintendo's "downward spiral out of the market". Until I see Nintendo consistently drop their billions for a decade straight, then I might start to worry and give a listen. 

trugs26

That's fair enough, I'm in the same boat, having been a Nintendo fan and consumer for many years. But the market place is very different now, the mistake you may well be making is the mistake Nintendo and many other big companies have made in other industries. You're looking at this as a cycle with each generation; it's a downward trend. The industry is changing and it's leaving Nintendo behind, struggling to deliver what has become industry standards such as online play. I fear Nintendo shares your view that it will only address issues once it 'drops their billions for a decade straight' that's not a smart way to operate.

No problem, I for one hope I'm wrong anyway. 

[QUOTE="euro96"]

[QUOTE="trugs26"]

I've been hearing this for many years now. It's as if people don't learn. You'd think the default position by now is "Nintendo will be fine" but it constantly isn't. 

trugs26

I can't believe when people are burrying their head in the sand, this seems to sum up what Nintendo themselves are doing. Have you seen the Wii U sales figures? Have you seen the 3rd party support coming out? both are fairly abysmal. Games like FIFA whether you personally play them or not, are pretty much a staple of a console's libary, and yet there isn't even a big enough consumer base on the Wii U to get this game released. Pretty much right now the only reason to buy a Nintendo consoles is for first party games, something that has increasingly become a problem for Nintendo.

Those of us old enough to be Nintendo fans still buy the consoles because we like to play games such as Zelda. The major problem for Nintendo is that because their market is shrinking, the future core demographic isn't growing up with Nintendo franchises. They are growing up with Xbox and Sony, it may seem fine now, but by the time next gen or the generation after that comes around, a lot of Nintendo fans like me will probably be at the age where we don't bother buying a console. 

People keep saying Nintendo will be fine because they always have been, but that doesn't mean anything. This isn't a cycle, it's a trend. Third party support, and the core demographic views towards their console has been declining ever since the Gamecube for Nintendo, the Wii skewed the figures because of the market it managed to tap into, but that market just isn't sustainable. 

A lot of people retort posts like this with jokes like 'nintendoomed' and if you bought a 'Nintendo consoles to play anything but Nintendo games then you're an idiot', these arguements are nonsensical, they are also extremley ignorant to the long term.

Nintendo is so far behind in the market right now, and this generation was probably their last opportunity to claw back some market share in the markets that mattered and they clearly haven't. They haven't even learnt from previous mistakes. They made two promises for the Wii U, robust online experience, and solid third party support. Neither promise has been fulfilled, and these are two pretty basic and fundamental promises. 

That's fair enough, I'm in the same boat, having been a Nintendo fan and consumer for many years. But the market place is very different now, the mistake you may well be making is the mistake Nintendo and many other big companies have made in other industries. You're looking at this as a cycle with each generation; it's a downward trend. The industry is changing and it's leaving Nintendo behind, struggling to deliver what has become industry standards such as online play. I fear Nintendo shares your view that it will only address issues once it 'drops their billions for a decade straight' that's not a smart way to operate.

I've been hearing this for many years now. It's as if people don't learn. You'd think the default position by now is "Nintendo will be fine" but it constantly isn't. 

trugs26

I can't believe when people are burrying their head in the sand, this seems to sum up what Nintendo themselves are doing. Have you seen the Wii U sales figures? Have you seen the 3rd party support coming out? both are fairly abysmal. Games like FIFA whether you personally play them or not, are pretty much a staple of a console's libary, and yet there isn't even a big enough consumer base on the Wii U to get this game released. Pretty much right now the only reason to buy a Nintendo consoles is for first party games, something that has increasingly become a problem for Nintendo.

Those of us old enough to be Nintendo fans still buy the consoles because we like to play games such as Zelda. The major problem for Nintendo is that because their market is shrinking, the future core demographic isn't growing up with Nintendo franchises. They are growing up with Xbox and Sony, it may seem fine now, but by the time next gen or the generation after that comes around, a lot of Nintendo fans like me will probably be at the age where we don't bother buying a console. 

People keep saying Nintendo will be fine because they always have been, but that doesn't mean anything. This isn't a cycle, it's a trend. Third party support, and the core demographic views towards their console has been declining ever since the Gamecube for Nintendo, the Wii skewed the figures because of the market it managed to tap into, but that market just isn't sustainable. 

A lot of people retort posts like this with jokes like 'nintendoomed' and if you bought a 'Nintendo consoles to play anything but Nintendo games then you're an idiot', these arguements are nonsensical, they are also extremley ignorant to the long term.

Nintendo is so far behind in the market right now, and this generation was probably their last opportunity to claw back some market share in the markets that mattered and they clearly haven't. They haven't even learnt from previous mistakes. They made two promises for the Wii U, robust online experience, and solid third party support. Neither promise has been fulfilled, and these are two pretty basic and fundamental promises. 

[QUOTE="euro96"]

Surely even if you don't play sports games you can understand what this signals for the console as a whole? You do realise even PS2 is getting a FIFA 14 release, even mobile phones. One of the biggest games in the market is appearing on Playstation 2, Wii, but not Wii U. Ignore the fact you don't play this type of game, and just think about what that says for the Wii U system.

KBFloYd

why are you so upset? just get a ps4 or xbox1...or wii or a ps2 or a 3ds, 360, ps3..

like i said if wiiu takes off this holiday...a big IF..then we might get sports games next year if people really want to play them on nintendo consoles.

I wouldn't class myself as upset, I have a gaming PC and will be getting an XBox One, however my main point isn't 'I can't play this game' It's more Wii U isn't getting one of the most staple games in any console library, and this tells me the third support is pretty much dead. You say if the Wii U picks up, not going to happen without the most basic of third party support. It's also tells me Nintendo either isn't trying to keep its promises, or it is failing too, which either way is bad.

well there is mario sports games but

looks like youll have to get an xbox1 or ps4 if you want simulator sports games...

i dont play sports games so..meh

the only sport i love is basketball...but 2k and live games are boring and complicated to me...i like nba jam games though.

they might put those games on there though if the wiiU starts selling when mario 3d world,donkty kong country, wiiu party and wiifit u come out.

KBFloYd

Surely even if you don't play sports games you can understand what this signals for the console as a whole? You do realise even PS2 is getting a FIFA 14 release, even mobile phones. One of the biggest games in the market is appearing on Playstation 2, Wii, but not Wii U. Ignore the fact you don't play this type of game, and just think about what that says for the Wii U system.

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Eh. No big loss really, EA never put any effort into the Nintendo versions of there sports games anyway, so it's probably better for everyone this way.Madmangamer364

...Except for Nintendo and the Wii U.

I'm not sure how anyone can even try to defend the idea of a gaming system getting basically NO sports titles in a year. That's unheard of, even for a Nintendo console. Even if the genre hasn't been the strongest on Nintendo systems in the past, it's still easily one of the most universally appeal this industry has to offer. What this means is that Nintendo will be missing out on a good deal of software -maybe even hardware- sales it needs to strengthen the Wii U's viability moving forward.

"No big loss..." Just the fact that this is even a thought right now, let alone a reality, means that Nintendo is losing BIG TIME. Everything that euro96 has said is right on the mark, and anyone that has anything invested in the Wii U and its future should be VERY alarmed by what this could mean. EA, Konami, and Take-Two pretty much just gave the Wii U "the finger" in terms of software support, and you can be certain the rest of the industry is taking notice.

Exactly, two big problems with the Wii. Lack of third party support and lacklustre online gaming experience. Nintendo promised these mistakes wouldn't be repeated with Wii U. The third party support is even worse, and yes I'm well aware there is time but we're talking about FIFA here, securing FIFA shouldn't be an issue. While it may not be too much of an issue in N.America, the majority of people else-where especially in Europe are not going to buy a Wii U simply because there is no football game.

No big loss? When Nintendo is making promises about third party support, and they can't even secure FIFA or Pro Evo, even if you don't care for these particular games, surely you can see what this implies about the future of Wii U third party support.

Now I know a lot of people when they hear games like COD, NBA 2K, or FIFA won't be getting full/any treatment on the Wii U they simply shrug and say 'who cares? I don't like them' But they do matter, because these games a massive whether you like them or not and so for the Wii U not to have a single football game for the 2014 season is incredibly damaging. 

Both EA and Konami have said they won't be releasing their respective football titles on Wii U, due to a lack of demand. That's no representation of the biggest sport in the world on the console. I'm not here to pronounce 'Nintendoomed' but it feels like a lot of promises are being broken; third party support and robust online gameplay experience.

I would have taken FIFA and Pro Evo for granted, absolutley astonished Nintendo has lost these games. Look at the new games announced, all the emphasis is on local multiplayer again (not that local multiplayer is bad, but Nintendo needs to build up it's online multiplayer experience)