I'm worried about how kids are becoming super FANBOYS!
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My first comment:
Dialog between a developer and his publisher:
Dev: I want to create the most realistic combat game ever!
Publ: No, you have to create the best selling game ever
Dev: Ok [sigh], I will transform BF into COD, and all gamers will play it because there will be no other game on the market for those who like realism, and all costumers will be stuck with two CQB games.
Publ: Perfect... what do you have in mind?
Dev: Look this: Battlefield 3
Publ: Now, just to make sure our costumers don't realise what we're doing, put some vehicles and big maps. And lie about this whole Frostbite 2 new destruction system, because no one played Red Faction Guerrilla and they won't realise how outdated we are.
it is pathetic how clueless you are. It's one of the 4 expansion packs that is coming out over the next year, and the only close quarters one, which does it ten times better then Cod does with twice the detail and destruction. its not like other battlefield games have never had close quarters.. Ever play inside a titan, yeah didnt think so... go back to your little wussy cod, you newbie
omg, shut up kid... go back to your favorite game and mind your own business...I'm not comparing anything to COD, I hate COD, I know it's 1 of 4 DLC, but it's ridiculous to emphasise CQB into a game that promised a whole different thing! I watched all interviews from BF3 devs before releasing and they promised realism, as I'm a fan of such realistic shooters like ARMA or Operation Flashpoint, I expected a very different BF3, not something that is trying to imitate COD just for profit! If you like the destruction, it's because you are very easy to please, your money is supporting lies... go play Red Faction Guerrilla made in 2009 and come back here to tell me if DICE really has the state of the art technology? All BS !! And another thing, imo people that call other people newbie, it certainly has less than 10 years old! So grow up! And read, I say again, READ before spitting nonsense.
It truely is pathetic how clueless you are, I had to repeat that. So red faction had destruction which was great, you put them side by side and you will see theres big differences. I dont get what your point is by that? What are you trying to prove about Dices software? I can tell you it's light years better then anything you could ever create. It's closer to next gen then Cod or Red faction. The only thing that can be compared with those two games is they both had destruction, thats it. How many other shooters do you know with destruciton where entire buildings get leveled or interiors on top of all the other things the game does., You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to software. Destruction will make any war game better and anyone with half a brain knows that. Youre basing your entire arguement of bf3 on one expansion pack when they have provided every other type of game play and have several more expansions to come. It one expansion to a game that has variaty, what dont you get about that? if you dont want to play close quarters then why are you on here whining like a little girl, and you say im the young one. Did I use "omg" in my comment? yea i didnt think so. Im probably close to ten yours older and much wiser then you.. how about you learn how to put sentenses together.
If you had the least knowledge of physics and if you really played Red Faction, you would know that programmed distruction on BF3 is WAY different than destructive environment on Red Faction, which involves real physics math to simulate where the building will fall.
You're calling the Frostbite two outdate, that is easily the dumbest thing I have ever read on GS congrats newb. Ummmm have you ever heard of COD? Stop comparing frost bite2 to Geo-Mod2, you have no idea what you are talking about. There's many things they both do different.
Didn't bother reading the argument but Red Faction does have much more impressive destruction than BF3, that's just a fact
Ok first off i see your point they are getting way to much like cod but why wouldnt they? Some days i want to play a huge map and snipe, fly around or blow crap up with a tank. but other days i want to be in non stop action where i get shot at every step i take. Thats the point of these new maps to give people variety COD has no variety. Secondly never compare red faction destruction to BF3. red faction has the most unrealistic destruction i have ever seen. is it fun? YES!!! realistic NO! buildings dont fall apart block by block. and u cant hammer a wall down in real life. oh and some building can stay up with one wall! BF3 is going for detailed destruction. would it be fun to bring down a 10 story building on BF? yes but can an xbox 360 or ps3 handle that no! red faction could do it cuz you were the only one playing and the building were just walls. i am done!
I agree with you that variety is good, I like to play CQB too, I'm not saying that BF3 sux because it's not focused on long range shooting (my favorite type) I'm not saying that, I just don't think that variety is good to one game, is good to have variety of options, not a game that wants to do everything. Games should be specific focused, then these games would have their own fan base. Like Splinter Cell and Hitman. If you like Stealth action you will play MGS, Hitman or Splinter Cell, if you like CQB you play COD or Rainbow SIx and so on, because if a game tries to do everything in one game, you will get only a regular experience of everything, and I want the best experience of each thing separately. Today, all devs only think about money and profit, with that, they try to imitate what sells more, which is Call of Duty for example. All hardcore games are becoming more "accessible" to all kinds of players, and this disease is destroying the original fan bases from those games.
Forget about the BF vs COD, I didn't compare them at all. And about Red Faction, you people will only understand what i'm saying if you have a good knowledge about physics, because I'm not talking about visual quality or camera effects which I've already sad that BF3 IS THE BEST right now. When I say better physics I mean that the engine simulates different vectors of force applied in different points with different reactions, and BF3 has only pre-programmed destruction. Would consoles support this technology? How can you be so sure? Red Faction has multiplayer mode with 12 players(if I remember) and you can destroy everything! And that's not even the point, which is the fact that DICE stated that Frostbite 2 was hundred times better than the previous engine(considering destruction specifically) and I don't see that.
This is not for you:
Once again, I feel that I'm losing my time trying to explain something conceptual to a bunch of people saying the same thing "My favorite game is better!"...
Where in this world I compared frostbite to COD? I told it's outdated because it's based on programmed destruction! In 2009 Red Faction already had an engine where whole buildings could fall differently depending on where you destroy first, that's real physics buddy.... Tell me if you can destroy all buildings on BF3? NO, you can't, it's pre-programmed, and it will always fall the same way... on Red Faction your building will fall to the weakest point!!! Stop being so blind due to your your fanboy feelings.
Its hilarious how bad you are missing the point, its really making me laugh pretty hard. Are you that mindless? What point are you trying to make about Red Factions destruction and Frostbite 2 destruction?And what does it even mean? it has nothing to do with your orignal whine fest, all you are is nothing but a hater. You call me blind. I never said you compared frostbite to Cod, you are saying frostbite 2 is outdated, which in comparison to games like Cod or Redfactions geo-mod they are both dated much more then frostbite in terms of technology. I did play red faction and it was an awesome game, but it doesnt do half the other things bf does, and doesnt look nearly as good as bf doing it. I may be a bf fan boy, I dont really care nor see anything wrong with that. There's many other older more mature people who grew up playing pc games that will agree with me. now go back to your hole and try to get smarter before you say anything that makes and sense.
Kid, you're just rambling, you didn't say anything technical to support your comments. You keep saying BF is better BF is better.... that's not arguing my friend... I mentioned the differences between how the physics work on both games and you kept saying the same old thing, that BF is better [sigh]. The fact that Frostbite 2 was recently released doesn't justify any superiority in terms of destruction system, you can say better lightining, better sound, etc, but not destruction. I started this discussion because I think BF3 didn't deliver what they promised, which is (by DICE words) state of the art combat simulator, and secondly, I don't think that CQB focused maps should be in that game because BF should take a different path than what COD took from the beginning. And then after that, I found you insulting me because I have a different opinion than your super fan feelings toward BF3. I really think that BF3 IS the best game that's in our disposal today, but I know that DICE focused toward COD costumers and forgot people like me, people that was expecting realism, not run and gun without sense. I'm not hating anything... I'm just saying that all gamers are stuck with two options, BF3 or COD. Think about it... How many people play video games today? Millions right? Do we have only two types of shoes available on the market? NO, and that's because people are different and have different preferences, then why should we be cool to have only two types of games and one of them is copying the other??? I gave you facts, and I just hear from you that your game is the best... that's not a conversation.
You can call me kid all you want but is quite pointless since I was born in 83. Maybe to you Dice didnt deliver what they promised but to me they did and much much more, so dont play it if you dont like it. Your original comments about transforming Bf into Cod is just plain rubbish. So they have one expansion pack of close qaurters/interior maps, and you say they are transforming the entire game into Cod, thats absurd and over reacting. Dice has been specilizing in online warefare since 1942 , they know what they are doing. One of the next expansions is supposed to have the biggest BF maps ever created, thats variaty. The point is there is serverl types and flavors of game play with Bf, which is more then most games have. Its absurd to chalk the entire game of BF being transformed into CoD becuase of ONE Expansion pack. I know several people that have been playing BF since 1942 and to this day I still play with them that can easily go join a server and find the gameplay style they prefer playing and the core of it has not changed much. I realize red faction has mainly focused on destruction since the early days, well those games got quite repetative in my opinion and a lot of other peoples opionions. There's a reason BF games since 1942 have been the game to test the latest PC hardware and caused people to upgrade their computer hardware, I do not need to pinpoint tech to you, so dont call frostbite 2 outdated either cuz that is also rubbish, its HD destruction.
" they did and much much more" what? - Gigas of updates to correct the buggiest and most complaint reported game of all time?
"they know what they are doing" - I agree, that's why they are billionaire taking the money from "all types of gamers" (oh the irony).
"The point is there is serverl types and flavors of game play with Bf" - Exactly, that's why it's not a good game, because nothing in the world can be 100% good for so many different tastes! got it? And people still defend this game like if they had stocks invested on DICE, very weird!
I'm man enough to assume my opinions and say in front of all you fanboys that I'm not happy with this game because it was made to fit "all tastes" and THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN LIFE, people are becoming zombies.... I bet that you are very picky when it comes to some other things in your life, and people seems to forget to be like that when it comes to video games, that's my whole point here! Do you see lots of cars on the street that have various colors and are fitted to off road, luxury, heavy duty and family SUV at the same time? Or it's more likely to find specific cars for their specific jobs with individual colors? If we always choose our preferences in real life, why people swallow everything the publishers say it is good for them? Once again, I repeat, BF IS the best thing we got at the moment, and that's the problem..... I don't like to buy this or that because is what everybody is buying and there is nothing else.... Do you listen Justin Bieber because the TV say it's cool? because everybody listens? ( i'm sorry if you happen to like it, just an example), if not, I'm sure there are other options right?
You basically just sound like nothing more then a nay sayer. I think you are the type of person that does nothing but point out negatives and find something to complain about no matter what it is. Dude, it's a game! nothing more, so if you have that much to complain about then dont play it, its simple as that. No ones twisting your arm. Me and a lot of my friends play Bf on a daily basis and I have never heard one of them complain like you have, most just have fun playing a GAME and have been since 1942. Calling BF a BAD game because it has several different ways to battle is assanine "The point is there is serverl types and flavors of game play with Bf" - "Exactly, that's why it's not a good game, because nothing in the world can be 100% good for so many different tastes! got it?"....
I have to admit that's quite a the jaded view of "world" if I have ever heard one. You can have whatever jaded opinions you want about bf, but I love it and always have. I have never yet been let down by dice, yes I have dealt with lots of bugs and issues.. well I work for a medical software company and we have just as many if not more bugs then most games do, so you need to understand software better. No matter what software it is, it wall always be getting updates and new versions that fix bugs and introduce new bugs, that software plain and simple Ever heard of windows?
In my line of work, there's no room for failure, although the govenment teaches people to live their lifes accepting the failure as something good and normal. People today are being taught to get used to the error, of course that you learn from your mistakes, but you can't expect to have failure all the time like if it's so normal. Military softwares are much more stable, why? It's obvious don't you think? Aircrafts fails all the time? (not talking about drones) it would be acceptable? Everything in this life is about money and what the consumers want, if the consumers ( people in the world ) are getting stupid, all the companies will take advantage on that, that's why all games today are getting released like if they were not finished, then we just wait to the updates, this is becoming normal, don't you see how bad is that? My knowledge about software is enough to understand that bugs happen, I worked earlier at IBM, and in my military career I had my share too. But we have to have good sense about how much is acceptable.
And to be honest with you, I'm not here because of video games exactly, you're right about "if you don't like, don't play it", I just want to see how people are dealing with these "mind controlling marketing schemes" that the gaming industry has become.
JESUS CHRIST, I'M LOSING MY FAITH THAT THE N.W.O. WON'T WIN THIS ONE, PEOPLE ARE BECOMING F*CKING ZOMBIES, THEY HAVE NOTHING INSIDE THEIR HEADS ANYMORE....... I TRY, AND I TRY BUT IT'S BECOMING USELESS TO ARGUE AS TIME PASSES BY.... WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP THESE KIDS IF THEY DON'T GET THE LEAST OF THE TIPS I GIVE, DON'T THEY GET THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VIDEO GAMES AT ALL?