There is no free non-grind MMos around, they're all made for Koreans. its as simple as that, and No GW and Dungeon Runners are not MMOs.teebeenz

Care to expand? Last I knew MMO meant Massively Multiplayer Online - Guild Wars fits the bill.

Wikipedia

Search Term: MMO

1. A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMOG or simply MMO) is a video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously.

2. Most MMOGs require a monthly subscription fee, but some can be played for free.

Search Term: Guild Wars

1. Guild Wars is an episodic series ofmultiplayer online role-playing games

2. Guild Wars was noted for being one of the few commercially developed games in the MMORPG genre to offer online play without subscription fees,[9] its instanced approach to MMORPG play,

Now while you WILL point out Wikipedia states its an MORPG, it also states it as a MMORPG so if anything it now needs updating. It is far beyond a "multiplayer" game, multiplayer refers to the bolt ons you usually get with most games, which are only capable of having a limited portion of their main host and a player base per "match" of maximum 64 people.

I can clearly tell you there are more than 64 people per server, normally reaching levels of around 15,000 players per day and a member base of a couple of million.

Dungeon Runners however isn't an MMO, as it is in the vein of Dungeon Siege. A single player game with the option of dragging in no more than 3 friends. Its player base has yet to peak 1 million and the daily usage is very low.

However my point here is - Just because its not AS massive as Eve or WoW it doesnt give you justification to deny its right to the title of an MMO.

Oh and before you throw the Fan Boy card - I don't play GW anymore as I find it limiting. And I have also played WoW and EvE and at the end of the day I still go back to Battlefield 2142 and Unreal Tournament 99.

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The worst trend ever in online multiplayer gaming. Especially in a game like Battlefield 2142.

Whenever you log on to a clan server, you know you're going to see about eight clan members on the same team completely murdering the other team made of completely random players. Why the hell can't half of them go to the other team? When a professional basketball team practices, they play against each other, not against a group of kids at a middle-school playground. It's incredibly lame. And then there's the admin privileges that most clan members have and horribly abuse. Just today I was kicked for telling a whining clan member to "just play."

Post your clan hate here. :p

ElectricNZ

That's not what clans are about.

Clans are for scrims and competing against other clans... the clans you speak of who dominate their own servers arent even real clans.

Correct -

Clan : Team of people upon which they perform competitively, or with competition in Mind.

Community: Group of people in which they operate a server, or wish to share an Affiliation with each other. Primarily Non Competitive.

The multi on Citizen K was pretty awesome.
It wasn't just a case of all against all, or 3 teams.

Kabuto having to face off against the Blue women and the orange guys xD Great stuff, especially when K got to gargantuan sizes and just EATS everything

*GLOMP!*

Another "mediocre" one is SilkRoad.

It starts off as a 600mb Setupfile then updates to around 1.2 gig.

Its free to play with Payable Extras. It is simple but amusing for a few hours, unfortunately their servers have heavy traffic problems and several bots.

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This is getting out of hand. Companies should refuse to put Live support in there games. PC gamers have had free online for over a decade, what makes MS think they can come in and start charging us for things we've had for years?

Ein-7919

PC gamers still have free online even with Live. I could have sworn this was beaten to death when Live was first being talked about half a year ago. Live covers both Silver and Gold accounts. Silver (the free option) has everything Gold has except for private matchmaking and achievements. Now, I have seen people complain about having to register with Live in order to get an account, but what these people don't get is that if you have a hotmail e-mail account, you ALREADY have a Silver account.

They should also refuse Vista only games. Vista is the biggest failure of an OS, and MS, instead of admitting they blew it (big time) decides to keep pushing it. DirectX 10? Unnecesary, after all (seeing the XP Very High hack for Crysis, XP was full and well capable of producing the same visuals as Vista.) Even though it is unnecesary, this basically proves it can be run on XP, but MS being the money grubbing **** they are, made it Vista only to push sales.

Hot_Potato

Kinda like how game devs should have refused XP when Win95/98 was the ultimate OS? Oh wait... This argument occurs with EVERY new OS released. First it was the move from DOS to Win95. Then Win95 to Win98. And does anybody remember the public outcry of how XP will "kill" gaming?

As for the whole DX10 thing being unnecessary: of course it is! DX10 is geared for one thing and one thing only: Graphics whores. Of course, the same thing could be said about DX7, or 8, or 9, or 9.0c. But, for those who want their games to have the prettiest graphics, DX10 is a must. There are SOME things that DX9.0c won't be able to do, no matter how many hacks you use. It's just an inherently DX10 graphical process.

Companies need to see what a massive failure Halo 2 and Shadowrun were, and NOT make games Vista exclusive. If BF3 or Far Cry 2 go Vista exclusive.... I don't know what I'll do, but it won't be good!

Hot_Potato

As was before: Halo 2 and Shadowrun failed because they were not good games...NOT because they were Vista exclusive. With that being said, I really don't think that MS should push Vista-exclusivity. I mean, games are STILL being made so they can be played on Win95! While I doubt Vista-exclusive games will become the norm, a heavier focus on Vista by game devs WILL occur.

One final note, MS thinks they're all cool and hip by starting this PC gaming alliance, when they will probably use it to push their massive failure of an OS Vista.

Hot_Potato

How is Vista a failure? MANY game devs not associated with MS have already stated their support and endorsement of Vista. The lead programmer of Bioshock stated:

...it would be hard to recommend anything else other than to upgrade to Vista with DX10-class hardware. (PCGamer, Nov 2007)

Martin Slater - lead dev for Bioshock

Also, the CTO of HP's Global Gaming Business and the supervising graphics programmer of Company of Heroes both pretty much state that sticking to a DX9-only system (which means non-Vista) is pretty much shooting yourself in the foot, at this point.

And CliffyB is an idiot.

Hot_Potato

Okay, I have to concede this point. ;)

You make a many good point. Especially with the "XP Will Kill Gaming" - But. The fact remains HOW LONG did it take Microsoft to get XP right?! This LONG! At the time when its just become the standard and most efficient since sliced DOS, they decide to release Vista.

Thats fair enough it gives time for it to be worked on, BUT DONT PUSH VISTA ONLY games so soon. Its too early to be pushing vista only - the bugs and memory consumption of vista doesnt justify it.

Hell I've been messing around with physics to the point even my E8400 struggles. _Pedro

Actually that is a good point - the more complex you make your contraptions (especially if youre a Rubik Gmodder) the more CPU strain there will be. But TBH not many people actually make the massive contraptions you see on youtube.

However I do have to admit they are good, I mean whole flying deathstars, - the battlestar galactica, pirateships and robots :S makes me squirm xD

If you don't have HL2 you can't use garry's mod. Besides I doubt your pc could handle garry's mod.

Garry's mod is the better choice, but there are certainly some requirements. One of them is hardware and the other is creativity. Audiosurf requires not much of either so I recommend you get that instead.

_Pedro_

Sputter Sputter - Sorry thats me coughing.

Garrys Mod will work fine on his machine -_- Heck it works on mine an old P4 3.06HT with only 1Gb Ram and a Geforce7200.

The only quip you might have is if you go online which is what i think most people here are referencing to.

As for a choice. Go for garrys mod, as I stated earlier Audiosurf is just a fancy version of Vibribbion which is now Abandonware.

Also the thing about Garrys Mod is that unlike Audiosurf, if you tire of it, you can simply download "extras" or buy yourself another source game for content.

Ah Calm your horses...

It'll be on the PC eventually. The company will no doubt want to release it on console before PC to accumulate capital from the console masses, to fund the conversions/adaptions/requirements for a PC version. Example. One Word.

Halo.

1)teh failure of UT3..subpar game..

2)Piracy is quite the scapegoat,

3) Stardock DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A COPY WRITE PROTECTION ON IT.. Yet its selling amazingly well..

4)If piracy was such a immense problem how can a game like Sins be selling so extremely well?

sSubZerOo

1) The Unreal Tournament franchise has failed not because it was subpar. In some aspects it is better than some. It failed because unfortunately some of its predecessors prove STILL more viable. In short its actual LIFESPAN has ended. Not because it was put so calmly by you -subpar.

2) Yes it is. EVERY company at some point in their history that works in a digital media has claimed it has affected them, but DO NOT come onto a PC forum thread saying it doesnt happen as much as anywhere else. IT DOES.

3) And that is WHY it sells so well. BUT think on this. If there are say 3million of their products sold. Just how many are pirated? And how many of those who had a pirate copy decided to buy the official?

4) Sins sells well OFFICIALLY because it is primarily AN ONLINE GAME! Ive yet to see "private" servers start up, which implies that there are no PIRATE copies of it online. And the SP gets pretty tiresome for an MP game....