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#1 TrueConservativ
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my top 3 candidates in order:

Mike Gravel

Dennis Kucinich

Ron Paul

amongst Clinton, Obama, and Guiliani I can't say I support any of them :?

darkodonnie

I dont understand. Please help me understand how you support guys like Gravel and Kucinich and Ron Paul at the same time? theyre totally different

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#2 TrueConservativ
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ill be voting for ron paul. Hilary is evil. Obama is stupid. Guliani, also stupid. If you're not voting for ron paul, you're voting for someone who wants to destroy this country. Thats not an arrogant statement either.
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#3 TrueConservativ
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People usually use this philosophy to defend their beliefs in aliens. We have no idea how big the universe is, because God is amazing and i believe that the universe was made for us to explore and discover new things, ideas, and inventions. Just because the univrse is big doesn't mean that there are aliens. If there were aliens, it would've said that God made them in the Bible. The bible says, "God made the heavens, and the earth" heavens meaning the universe, but earth meaning: the only special little tiny planet that's inhabitible. If there were aliens, the Bible would've said "God made the heavens, the Earth, and mars." or something like that. any disagreements? I only have a few more minutes before i have to leave.huladog123

do you believe the earth is flat too? because the bible certainly says it is. Honestly, dont start an argument you cant possibly win.

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#5 TrueConservativ
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It's a town in Russia where, in 1986, there was a nuclear explosion that contaminated a large surrounding area. Google it and see if I'm right. ;)vgm007

I dont need to google it to know its not in russia.... its ukraine bud

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#6 TrueConservativ
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[QUOTE="TrueConservativ"][QUOTE="Paragon_"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Everyone here saying "I don't want to pay for X person because they brought it on themselves" is only listing the extremes. Besides, a lot of these people get care anyway by using the emergency rooms and the hospital has to pay for them, seriously hurting the hospital.

Most people who would be helped by universal health care are hard working americans who can not afford insurance or is denied insurance period.

Paragon_


Maybepeople who make less money and are uninsuredshould be taxed more. That way, hospitals can be reimbursed when they have to give medical treatment to somebody who can't afford to pay for it. People with a lot of money can pay for their medical care, so I don't see a reason to penalize them for it.

we should just not tax and allow competition

We need some taxes, but not for things like welfare, social security, universal healthcare, income, property, and the like. What we should do is destroy the IRS and just have a flat percentage and a sales tax. Then we should put restrictions in place on the government, instead of the government putting them on us, to insure that our money is not wasted or used inefficiently.

I like your line of thinking though.

well I didnt mean cut ALL taxes. I support a minimal approach

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#7 TrueConservativ
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[QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Everyone here saying "I don't want to pay for X person because they brought it on themselves" is only listing the extremes. Besides, a lot of these people get care anyway by using the emergency rooms and the hospital has to pay for them, seriously hurting the hospital.

Most people who would be helped by universal health care are hard working americans who can not afford insurance or is denied insurance period.

Paragon_


Maybepeople who make less money and are uninsuredshould be taxed more. That way, hospitals can be reimbursed when they have to give medical treatment to somebody who can't afford to pay for it. People with a lot of money can pay for their medical care, so I don't see a reason to penalize them for it.

we should just not tax and allow competition

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#8 TrueConservativ
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[QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Everyone here saying "I don't want to pay for X person because they brought it on themselves" is only listing the extremes. Besides, a lot of these people get care anyway by using the emergency rooms and the hospital has to pay for them, seriously hurting the hospital.

Most people who would be helped by universal health care are hard working americans who can not afford insurance or is denied insurance period.

Frattracide

Consider what you are advocating for a moment. What you want is the government to take money away from the people who earned it and do things with it that it deems "necessary." So, in essence, you are advocating the use of force and rationalizing theft in the name of "the greater good."

I find the idea appalling. I prefer a more rational train of thought like: The Philosophy of Liberty.

man i just fell in love with you.

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Everyone here saying "I don't want to pay for X person because they brought it on themselves" is only listing the extremes. Besides, a lot of these people get care anyway by using the emergency rooms and the hospital has to pay for them, seriously hurting the hospital.

Most people who would be helped by universal health care are hard working americans who can not afford insurance or is denied insurance period.

Ninja_Dog

a lot of the reasons health care is becoming more expensive is because people take less care of themselves. Yes, a lot of people who be helped temporarily by universal health care. But I would be hurt by it, and so would all americans in the long run.

Im not trying to be condescending but democrats like yourself dont really understand how money works. I know it sounds like a great idea, but once you really research it you realize its just not worth it. I used to be a democrat liberal guy too. Society these days tries for it I guess.

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#10 TrueConservativ
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[QUOTE="TrueConservativ"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Why are people so opposed to taxes? It doesn't make sense to me.

Taxes are fair because they are based on income percentage. The poor don't pay as high a percentage as the rich.

This is great because the money the rich pay won't hurt them very much but it will help the poor A LOT! Think of it as a service to your country.

My point is, there should be universal health care because even though it will raise taxes, it will help a lot of people.

Also, paying taxes is good for the economy :) Instead of the government printing more money to pay for things and lowering the value of our dollar, by paying taxes we keep the dollar strong!

Peace.

Ninja_Dog

not everyone wants to use the services that come from the taxes.

if everything is privitized, theyres competition that lowers prices.

so if I ever need that service, I only need to pay for it when I need it.

Less taxation and a free market help the economy most.

Universal health care will make thigns worse. I dont expect you to reply until you look up John Stossel Michael Moore on youtube. Id find you the links but ive done it a few times on here already and frankly its getting old.

ive never heard anyone say taxation helps the dollar.

here are my replies

i know not everyone wants to use the services. There could still be private physicians.

lower prices are not coming with the system we have. and its not all about prices. some companies wont even insure people.

thats not the way taxes work.

yes, but not when the government prints money like gangbusters to pay for a failed war.

and @Boknows: that is called a Slippery Slope argument. It has no place in logical discussion.

not everyone uses them, so we shouldnt have to pay for it. Im not against optional taxation. lets for example you wanted to pay a tax to help build roads. I think you should have the right to do that. But if im some guy who for some reason hates roads, I shouldnt have to pay for it. Kind of a silly example, but I think you get my point. Just like some people dont want to pay for a war... Im sure the government wouldnt goto war so much if they knew people could opt out of certain taxes.

A lot of the reason our prices are going up is due to inflation, which the culprit is the federal reserve. something that relies on taxation big time. there are other reasons but I dont want to name all of them because im kind of a lazy bum right now

the federl reserve is the one printing false money, more taxation isnt going to help. we need to abolish the federal reserve and free up the economy and give people back there gold.