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#1 Shame-usBlackley
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Launches are weak software-wise. This has been the case for three cycles now. Why anyone is still surprised by this I do not know. I attribute part of the weakness to the death of the arcade. It used to be when a new home console came out, it would often come with a port of a popular arcade game, and based on that port, people would lose their freaking minds. I remember when the Genesis version of Altered Beast looked about on par with the arcade version and that blowing me away. Remember the Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur and the PS2 version of Tekken Tag murdering the arcade versions? That's the problem, there's no bar set for new generations any more, nothing that is so technically impressive that the ability to duplicate it blows people away. Sure there are PC games, but they aren't as high profile as arcade games were. Nobody fucking cares if you make a prettier version of Cryis.

Consoles used to share DNA with arcades... remember the System 246 hardware? Anyway, I think that has a lot to do with why launches feel underwhelming; there's no "big brother" platform that had games the consoles being replaced simply couldn't have done.

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#2  Edited By Shame-usBlackley
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@dvader654 said:

I would love sci-fi zelda. They could do crazy stuff with gravity and switching the focus from swords to more shooting weapons.

I'd rather they just take the formula and design philosophies of the series and create a new IP set in a sci-fi world.

You know, kind of like Darksiders.

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Don't see this becoming a thing for years; several generations at best.

What I really find funny is that there are all these problems with these new technologies that ask too much of the consumer. Is your room big enough? Is it well lighted? Perhaps moving the lights around will help. Is furniture getting in the way? Perhaps rearranging the room will help... Do you get motion sickness? Here, take some dramamine a half hour before playing.

I mean, it's all pretty fucking absurd, really. I don't mean that as a knock against the tech, which is admittedly VERY cool, but when you have to worry about your users barfing from using it, that's kind of a thing.

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@S0lidSnake said:

Some cool numbers from a known gaf insider.

Killzone best selling exclusive at 270k. Which means 1 out of 4 PS4 owners bought one.

Ryse and Forza are around 200k.

Knack is 100k which means it did not outsell Mario in NA. NA>>>>>>>>U.K confirmed.

Xbox One has lost the multiplatform share to PS4. And by quite a margin. EA and Activision must be feeling pretty stupid locking their biggest userbase out of DLC. This is probably the biggest proof of MS's **** up. They are no longer the primary choice of the core gamer.

AC

1 - 30.95%

4 - 69.05%

NSF

1 - 16.71%

4 - 48.42%

360 - 17.77%

3 - 17.11%

NFL

1 - 40.12%

4 - 59.88%

2K14

1 - 34.84%

4 - 65.16%

FIFA 14

1 - 35.43%

4 - 64.57%

NBA 14

1 - 43.40%

4 - 56.60%

Wow, that is quite the ass beating. Don't worry, Areez -- people are still buying it for games. A few of them anyway. :)

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#6  Edited By Shame-usBlackley
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@Areez said:

@Shame-usBlackley:

Ah yes there is the profanity filled laced opening to your rebuttal....Not sure why you do it but it wreaks of immaturity.

What I was referring to regarding your own assumptions, was the drum beat you have beating for months now, since E3. That is your own accersition of how poorly you said the Xbox One was going to perform. You insisted time and time again, that the system was over priced, less powerful, had tertiary features no one wanted, was a game console second and would be dominated by the PS4. None of that has happened. And consider how poorly MS handled the Xbox One at times, it has done extremely well. You were wrong in your own assumptions in what you believe to know about the industry and how the Xbox One wss going preform.

Big picture, both Sony and MS are going to do very well this console gen. And if the numbers give us any early insight, its that this console gen may very well be similar to the previous gen.

Okay, I didn't REALLY mean your vagina had sand in it. I don't even know if you live near a beach.

While they have done better than I expected (I already mentioned that in my first post) they have lost a tremendous amount already. All one needs do is look at the data from the last three years to see that they have gone from leading Sony by a healthy margin to losing marketshare in this first month both in hardware and software.

They're where Sony was when transitioning from the PS2 to the PS3 -- they had the market; it was theirs to mess up, and mess it up they have. Sony is now not only competitive, but leading them in North America, and globally. They are leading in software sales too. Don't you get it? This shouldn't have even been a fight...

I don't see this console generation being anything at all like last generation. Last generation was fractured, with two overpriced systems in one corner and a disruptor in the other that ended in ruin. I see the numbers already beginning to coalesce around one player. We'll see if that continues, but I am betting it does.

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@S0lidSnake said:

@Shame-usBlackley said:

You can try to write this off as a mere 100k difference, however:

A) we still don't know how much the PS4 sold for November.

And B) The PS4 sold a million in a day, something the Bone couldn't do in a week or more.

And finally, like I said about Sony when their base began to erode to the 360 with the PS3, Microsoft even being outsold by Sony in the first month (when they have all those features YOU claim they want) after 3 years of dominance is a telling sign of things to come. You can Baghdad Bob this all day, but the truth is no one expected any different out of you, regardless of the numbers..

The 100k difference is based on old data. PS4 sold 2.1 million units by November 30th. MS announced 2 million units on December 11th. At the rate Sony is selling these consoles, we are looking at a lead around 700-800k as of today.

That said, MS is focusing on replenishing U.S stock. They have already delayed some European markets to Q3.. Q3! While Sony is launching in countries like India and the middle east in December.

There have been a lot of reports of Xbox One consoles on store shelves. They are still selling right away but they become available on a daily basis. Amazon had the X1 in and out stock for nearly two days. MS simply does not want to lose NA to Sony in December. while PS4s only become available on Sunday mornings Expect MS to regain the lead next month.

Worldwide is going to be a different story. I think Sony will have a 1 million lead coming out of December but X1 will win NPD December.

While that certainly isn't a bad strategy (confining Microsoft to North America ensures they will be uncompetitive globally, pretty much ensuring a favorable outcome for Sony), I don't think Sony is going to let them up in December. I expect December to remain close simply because the demand is still showing signs of being massively pent up here in America. I think Sony can still sell as many as they want, and that's why I think they'll take December as well.

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@Areez said:

@Shame-usBlackley:

You really really do not get what is going on in the gaming industry and the transition or direction in which consoles are heading.

Whether you choose to accept this or not, the traditional gaming console as we know it is changing. The gaming console is not immune to the change we are seeing in other electronic devices. It touches to many different entertainment mediums now and is of course connected to the internet, which has revolutionized how we consume entertainment, which includes video games as well.

Consumers today demand more out of their electronic devices and a traditional gaming console will not survive by just offering the basics.

All of the tertiary B.S. serves a purpose, builds addtional value and provides the consumer with access to a variety of entertainment services and ease of accessibility on one device (think iPhone)

How is any of this relevant you ask? Because everything has changed as the shift focuses from hardware to services provided.

This will probably be the last gen where we see a console with a disc drive and bulit in HHD, as the shift moves to cloud based services.

This is where I believe MS is ahead of the ball than Sony. And perhaps that has to do with the space MS is in and the lessons they have learned from the smartphone market.....

It would appear you don't because if what you asserted were true, the Bone wouldn't be trailing the Playstation.

That aside, what does all the convergence do for companies that want to sell games? As a game maker and publisher, why would I want the platform I am developing for to give the owner of the console a dozen reasons NOT to play games? You keep talking about the evolution of the console, but if the overarching purpose of them is going to continue to serve as game players, and the market is already seeing issues with software sales last generation, why would anyone want to provide further distractions to getting someone to flip a game on as soon as their ass lands in the seat?

I can assure you that game companies want these consoles focused on playing games. They NEED them to be focused on being game players.

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#9  Edited By Shame-usBlackley
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@Randolph said:

@Shame-usBlackley said:

Maybe they shouldn't have been fucking around with television tuners and shout commands and went after people who, you know, buy games? All that shit is fine and dandy, but at the end of the day, they are still all distractions that keep people from playing games.

I might be utterly wasting my time trying to be a voice of reason in a "LMAO npd thread LMAO", but the games are precisely why I bought one. I spotted exactly one game I really wanted to play on day one on PS4. That was Resogun. I spotted four exclusives I wanted to play on the Xbone on day one. None of the non-gaming features keep me from playing games, I assure you. More times than not the system has my game of choice already booting up in the main window of the dashboard when I tell it to turn on, in fact.

I didn't say no one bought it for the games, but if you've been following sales data on the Xbox for any given amount of time, you would know that the base was voracious when it comes to games, and had been, literally since the 360 launched. Now that position has shifted and (early on at least) the multiplatform sales numbers have shifted. In fact, they haven't merely shifted, but lurched as the PS4 has a higher attach rate than both the PS2 and PS3 at launch. Those are devastating numbers.

So what does this tell us? Besides the fact that the higher cost leaves the buyers with less money for games, it leads to the very real possibility that a good portion of the audience is not buying it for games. I don't know why this is shocking to some seeing as Microsoft has marketed it as more than a games console; has since the very first reveal.

My point is that publishers and developers will take notice of this if it becomes a pattern, and that is why putting features in that COMPETE for a player's attention is contrary to the one goal that every developer and publisher seek to accomplish, and that is to sell games.

In summary, your intent was to purchase and play games and I'm sure that was the intent of many, but there are many also who are not buying games, at least not with the ferocity that the Microsoft crowd is known for.

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#10  Edited By Shame-usBlackley
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@Pedro said:

@Shame-usBlackley said:

Ah, LOL, well make sure and let me know in advance when the doomsday that only you are privy to will occur so we can all bail out. Do you have any inside information on stocks and the world series too, Pedro? ;)

Its hilarious when people do what you do. Continue reacting as if I am hearing voices or as if I believe in the bogeyman. Its entertaining. :)

Well, at least you find your delusions funny, so I guess it hasn't totally been for nothing. :P

You've got nothing to back your argument up, and the sales of the new consoles just took a giant shit all over your whole theory. Maybe the reason people act like you are hearing voices is for good reason, dude.