[QUOTE="QVT"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"] Who knows if he was a bust though?
The way Gruden rotated QB's in Tampa no one knows what's going on at that spot.
Here's the breakdown of Simms' career in Tampa
0 starts
5 starts
11 starts
3 starts
No QB is going to be successful in that kind of situation.
Gruden should have picked one QB and let him have a season or two. Instead he rotated them constantly and no one ever became the dominant starter.
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Two of those seasons for Simms were ended by injury, to be fair, with one of them requiring removal of his spleen. He looked like he might have been turning into a NFL starter to that point.
In all fairness to Gruden, a lot of his QB changes were forced on him. Brad Johnson got old. Griese got injured (blew his knee against Miami), then replaced by Simms. Then he got injured and replaced by Garcia.
On another note, the argument that Jon Gruden's victory in SB 37 is somehow devalued due to him using "Dungy's Team" collapses under its own weight. If one claims the Bucs were Dungy's team, they would therefore be forced to conclude Jack Callahan's Raiders were Gruden's team, if they're consistent. It cancels out. In the end, the only pertinent fact is that Jon Gruden was on the winning sideline that day. And he got his team over what had been their achilles heel and greatest hurdle for years; Winning in the postseason on the road and more specifically, in Philadelphia, formerly a Buccaneers graveyard.
While I thought Jon would be around One Buc for as long as he wanted to, six years is still a pretty good run nowadays. While its probably the right time for this move, as a Bucs fan, I'm glad to have had him.
As I have already pointed out,The raiders were still Grudens team and it did not cancel anything out but actually gave him a great advantage. I dont want to write out the whole thing again but it has been documented how his knowledge of the raiders and the fact that the raiders did not change the system that he implemented translated into tampa having a great advantage,that did translate onto the field. Just because Jack Callahan is a moron and didn't change any of his offense's verbiage doesn't alter the groundwork laid out by Gruden's Bucs that year. Nor does it change the Bucs 350 yards on offense that night. In fact, it just adds more weight to how crucial Jon Gruden was that year. To reiterate, you can't win a Super Bowl unless you get there, and beating Philadelphia IN Philadelphia two weeks prior was Mt. Everest in Bucs Land. It cancels out because either way you look at it, he 'built' a team ready for the Super Bowl with Oakland, then won it with Tampa Bay. It might have been with two teams instead of one, but what difference does it make? I'm sorry, the coattail argument goes up in smoke.
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