@hardwenzen: I disagree on the no PVP aspect. If I'm gonna grind my ass off I want to be able to hop in some PVP and actually have some competitive matches trying out all those weapons I grinded for. I don't care if they get nerfed a bit. And a good game dev should be able to balance a weapon properly for PVP and PVE separately. At the end of the day it's more content, and I've been an online shooter fan before I was a looter shooter fan(I mean I only ever got into Destiny but I appreciated the fact that it had PVP and events based around it to earn some exclusive loot).

And yes, it was and still is pretty whack if Bungie still never added any new enemy factions. But at least their variety from the beginning was more varied than this Outriders game. Idk I stopped playing Destiny ages ago and didn't play D2 very long, but vanilla Destiny 1 was still great to me at the time(despite the flaws) especially the first DLC era. All of my friends were into it and we had a lot of memorable moments. But it wouldn't have been half the game without the beautiful open worlds and the memorable raids that required teamwork and coordination.

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I mean they released a shooter game in 2021 that has no PVP. A loot shooter with no open world or raids. And a game in general where you play as a super-powered human but can't jump or climb onto things that are barely taller than you.

Can we really say for sure that they're putting in effort?

Anyone who says this is better than Destiny is smoking crack up their ass. What about it is better?

The loot is worse by default simply due to the fact that it's not first person so you can't even see your cool badass gun designs up close when shooting them... shit, you can barely see them at all unless you turn the camera away from where you're running. It doesn't have epic worlds with many areas and secret spots(across multiple planets) to explore, treasure hunt, and encounter random players to do public events with, etc like in Destiny. You have dogshit mobility and let me repeat it again YOU CAN'T JUMP unlike Destiny which is all about the boost jumps/triple jumps with huge levels designed around jumping from spot to spot and and has a whole first person platforming element to the gameplay in which Outriders can't even begin to dream of, with it's linear ass corridor style levels with basic sandbag-style cover walls set up everywhere to crouch behind, and the so called powerful "altered humans" that can't even jump up onto a ledge that's barely above their head..

And idk this is pretty subjective but, resolution and graphics engine aside, the graphics in Destiny are more appealing to the eyes. Bungie's art team is vastly superior IMO, especially their unmatched skyboxes, just beautiful. The create-a-character design tools in Destiny are way better, not even close way more options especially when you take account the fact that you can choose different races. The music in Destiny is way better. There's more enemy types in Destiny with the multiple different alien races. Do I even need to mention all of the controversy surrendering Outriders for being unplayable, glitchy, and having god awful servers? They released it nowhere near finished. Reviews are pouring in and it's obvious people aren't happy they wasted $60 on it. Meanwhile even the BETA of Destiny on the damn PS3 was playable and well developed.

Oh and how can I forget the fact that the game DOESN'T EVEN HAVE PVP. WTF KIND OF SHOOTER GAME DOESN'T HAVE PVP????WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING? And as far as I'm aware it doesn't have Raids either. Charging $60 for such a lack of content should be criminal. Yeah Outriders is shit tier compared to Destiny. It's an insult to even put it in the same sentence tbh. And Destiny was far from perfect to begin with.

It being a "loot shooter" has nothing to do with the reasoning why the game sucks. It's just mind numbingly simplistic and linear. It might as well be a rail shooter. It literally reminds me of an PS2 or Xbox, or early PS3/Xbox 360 type level design. And there's 0 thought or teamwork involved in your superpowers, they're just buttons that you spam towards enemies as soon as you get them off cooldown.

Oh and let me remind you, They made a game IN 2021 WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN JUMP! That should be fucking illegal.

I tried the demo and it kind of reminded me of if you took Destiny and removed almost everything good about the actual gameplay that made the game great... the teamwork/support focused class system, the massive open world to explore and search for hidden secrets/treasures, the epic boss fights that required coordination and strategy, etc.

The graphics even were a huge let down after watching misleading trailers, looks like a 2013 era type game. Gunplay "feels" pretty solid for this cover based style of shooters, I'll give it that. But I could see it getting extremely boring quick especially with it's corridor style cover based linear ass level design.

Tbh I didn't even finish the demo because I was already pretty bored and feeling like I was playing through the same rinse and repeat take cover and shoot areas. Just spamming my 3 uninteresting superpowers as soon as they come off cooldown with no reason to save them or use them tactically. Typical "roll dodge out of highlighted blast radius that enemy is aiming explosives at" over and over. "Run away from enemies bum rushing you with melee weapons and occasionally stop and take shots at them while on the run", etc.

I was hoping from the trailer that it would be the next Destiny but even better, but in reality it's basically just Gears of Trash with a worse storyline, unimaginative superpowers, and loot drops.

Btw who tf wants to play a game in 2021 where you literally CAN'T EVEN JUMP????

lol The consoles fly off the shelves the minute they even get put on the shelves. The problem isn't that they're not selling, the problem is(just like with PC components), the part suppliers right now are absolute garbage due to a shit ton of factors. In almost every category. TSMC can't make enough Ryzen CPUs or Radeon GPUs due to a limited amount of wafer space in their fabs and crazy high demand from so many companies for that wafer space, ram chips are on a shortage as well, cargo shipping is all fucked up because there's not as many airliner flights due to the lack of demand(which leads to cargo shipment delays(as companies use the cargo area on international airliner flights), and shit... even the little stuff that you wouldn't think of, like suppliers for simple SCREWS have been all fucked up cause they're still playing catch up because of factory lockdowns they can't get enough metal to make the screws, then also ship them in a timely manner for cheap. Etc

All it takes is 1 kink in the hose do f*ck up the flow of the water, and right now the hose has like 12 big ass kinks.

I would get a 6800 or XT over 3070 or 3080 any day. **** 4k performance or DLSS, who tf plays on a 4K monitor anyways. All of these cards absolutely shred through 1080p/1440p gaming, which is what 99% of people's monitors are capable of(and at monitor sizes you're going to barely see a difference from 4k res to begin with, definitely not enough to warrant the sacrifice in FPS). So DLSS is irrelevant to me as I'd rather just have fast flawless looking native 1440p performance. Ray Tracing has potential but until it doesn't cause a massive drop in FPS for such a minor difference in improving the graphics, who cares. Not like you're going to turn it on while online gaming anyways, where the game running at a high refresh rate is infinitely more important than more accurate reflections of off screen objects on windows and rain puddles.

What's more important to me personally is software and longevity. I had nothing but Nvidia cards for close to a decade until I bought my RX 5700 and I couldn't be happier with it. I can't fucking stand Nvidia's Geforce Experience software. It was malware in my eyes. Constantly bugging me to sign in or create an account just to update a driver, which I kept forgetting the password for(since I had to come up with a new password each time). Shit got on my last nerves. Not to mention I had multiple issues with GFE update installs breaking the entire program to the point where I spent hours on end trying to fix it, because the uninstaller would simply crash and not uninstall it.

And there's just the fact that the GFE/Control Panel are antiquated as ****. I don't understand why Nvidia hasn't updated to a more modern streamlined software experience like AMD Adrenalin2020. Clean to look at, simple and easy to navigate, has all of the tools and options you'd ever use in one modern app. All of your performance monitoring tools, overclocking options, graphics/display/video settings, etc.(including Auto Overclocking and auto Undervolting for noobs). The gimmicks that come with Nvidia cards are just a nice bonus at best for me, I never used them personally. While I love AMD's Radeon Image Sharpening feature way more than Nvidia's more half baked sharpening option. Produces a better image with less(0%) performance hit. I love that the AMD Link smart phone app lets me not only play games remotely and view performance metrics remotely, but more importantly for me I use it all the time as a convenient af remote desktop app that doesn't require me to have any actual remote desktop software running on my PC. And again I can't stress enough how much I love that it's not constantly bugging me with popups to update my drivers then forcing me to try to remember some dumb login etc... it's just how I like my background software, invisible unless I go to it voluntarily.

Idk maybe you care more about Nvidia's gimmicks and don't give a shit about the software, shit maybe you even like GFE, but this is just how I feel personally. Oh and I forgot to touch on the longevity. I do think AMD's cards will hold their value and keep their performance for longer due to the extra VRAM and huge cache. Game files are only getting bigger as time passes, and top end games will need those bigger memory pools in a few years. So if you're the type of person to keep your card for a long time then it's something to consider.

I ranted on too much about GFE though and accidentally wrote a novel, lol sorry guys. 🤣 That should tell you how much I don't like it. Been a headache for me too many times. While Adrenalin 2020 has been a breath of fresh air. Idk what AMD's old software was like, maybe it sucked too. But I've been very impressed with A2020 since switching.

Btw I gotta be honest, until every game has Ray Tracing, and it actually makes a massive difference in the graphics, then I don't really care. A lot of RT in most games that have it seems fairly tacked on. Sometimes RT even hurts it, like they have textures that are WAY too reflective to the point where everything looks made of mirrors. Let's put it this way... in most games RN RT is far from a necessity. A few games pull it off very well though.

Because it wont be a joke when it comes to VRAM 1-2 years down the line unlike the RTX 3070

Sure as long as they're all free to play that way I have the option to not spend a single dime on the game and not support the piece of shit CCP.