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#1 Jacanuk
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@zaryia said:

You are either incompetent or a goonish liar.

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Well, it´s not easy to follow the posts when they get edited on the fly.

@zaryia said:

Only ~26% of this country is Republican. Most (R) voting for those issues doesn't change overall national views on those issues. When adding (D) and (I), more Americans agree with the ideals I linked.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

Still, many are not single issue voters though. And for single issue voters, YOU would have show how many votes were gained or lost to those specific issues, each. It's your theory. Prove it. You aren't offering any studies on this.

Yes, 26% is republican and 27% is Democrat the rest is independent. but 238 seats out of 435 are republican and 51 out of 100 seats in the Senate is Republican. And if you look at the two independent, Democrats only have 47.

But if we look at the independent voters, it´s interesting to see that 44% seen themselves as independent which normally means they go with the ideas they feel the strongest for. Which would mean they could go for a single issue, which they don't, the independent tend to follow either of the two main sides.

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What do you mean and. It doesn't accurately reflect the entire national opinion if a certain side has lower turn out.

Well, i mean that if your premise is that there is A: More democrats but because of lower turnout, the fewer Republicans are allowed to vote in their candidate. That it must mean that these Democrats do not care enough to vote, which make their opinion moot.

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The last few presidential elections. The Democrat had more votes, and that is with lower turn out. Reflecting those ideas were more popular, although you can't look at this alone due to many people not being just single issue voters and (D) having lower turn out.

Sure, but as we have seen since Obama, the presidential election is a popularity contest, no one cares about the issues which especially Trump´s ability to win shows. So using the presidential election results as an argument is moot.

If you look at the local state government, Republicans have 31 States, Democrats have 14. and 4 is split. And only 6 states have a democratic controlled 3 level government, Guess which ones (California, Hawaii, Oregon, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware) Hold only 15 governorships, Republicans hold 33.

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Yes you do need to find a peer reviewed study when making bold claims. You're posting a wild theory you churned up on your own. I'm posting facts and data that state exactly what I'm stating. You aren't giving me a study actually showing that (D) lost seats due to those specific issues alone. Or that (D) is general has less voters due to these issues. That is your theory. You think all those polls are wrong, you must prove this with data. Those polls use data.

And you are losing this debate for it.

I am stating facts, I do not need someone else's opinion to back anything up, we are dealing with objective facts here, it´s a fact that there are a 100 senators, 51 of those are republican, 47 is democratic, it´s a fact that as stated above that by far the republicans are in control in most state governments.

So if you refute them, you are refuting empirical data. And if you claim to win a debate by refuting empirical data, you clearly never attended or watch a debate in high school, university or at any educational level. Unless of course you are not born in America and have had your basic education in another country.

@zaryia said:

Polls are not opinions. They look at opinions, and use statistical measures and scientific methodology. The pollsters I am using are highly accurate, and I use multiple of each for each issue.

You have not refuted any of them yet with citation.

Now you are moving the goal post, The polls are done by empirical methods, but the data it collects are opinions so the end result will be an opinion,

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

I'm merely quoting someone. You're giving unproven theories, and offering zero evidence. Your own opinions.

You don't see the disconnect here?

Yes, you are quoting someone´s opinion and since we are on a debate forum, I am stating my opinion about this judge.

We will see who is right when this case goes in front of a higher court. If this Judge is not overturned, then I was incorrect in assuming he was a chicken, if he is overturned then his opinion was clearly wrong.

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#3  Edited By Jacanuk
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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

Stop deflecting and answer the question.

Is this real life?

Are you not looking at your Notifications. Are you this low IQ?

So you keep deflecting

Are you just trolling me now?

Would you please just click your notifications and stop making an ass of yourself? I answered your unproven theory (no studies linked) several times now. Even recently 1 hour ago. You skip all of these posts.

Btw, Every time you make a post without linking a study confirming this theory of yours or piece of evidence to show my polls are inaccurate, you prove you are wrong.

but at least you admit you are wrong

You're telling me all major polls are wrong?

This is an amazing claim and I need data proving this now. Please cite it.

No, I am not telling you all polls are wrong, I am telling you that there is a discrepancy between what someone says in an anonymous poll and what they do when it´s time to put their x at the polls.

You argue that Liberal ideas are the most popular, and to back that claim up you use polls. You never deal with the above discrepancy. So either people lie in polls or Liberal ideas are not really the most popular ideas in America.

It´s not brain surgery here.

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#4 Jacanuk
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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

Stop deflecting and answer the question.

Is this real life? Are you not looking at your Notifications. Are you this low IQ?

Here goes again.

How come the election results do not reflect the polls you claim prove that liberal ideas are more popular...... It´s not that hard.

1. Not all liberal ideas are the most popular ones. I never said all. Just the ones I linked. They are objectively more popular until counter-citation is provided.

2. Not all voters are single issue.

3. Democrat voter turn out is less.

4. But election results did reflect this for the last national opinion measure, even with lower (D) turn out.

5. Prove your theory with peer reviewedstudies. It's armchair until then,

What you are doing is giving ideas on why they might be wrong (posed in the form of a rhetorical question even you can't answer). But no numerical facts on why they actually are wrong. I do not care for arm-chair theory on mathematical issues. You can't possibly prove those (D) or (R) seats were gained or lost due to those specific issues I brought up and by how much % each, and if other issues were or were not more important to the voter. You would need to link a study that shows issue Y alone made candidates X lose or win Nationally and all compared against each other, or seriously stop bringing up Jacanuk-theories.

P.S. Posing a question doesn't refute massive factual data sets. You have to actually refute the data I'm giving you with your own data sets, linked.

So you finally decided to answer the question partially.

1. And if we just take the ones you linked to, Close to all Republicans voted in are against DACA/Illegal immigration, They are pro-life, not pro-choice, they are for guns, not gun control.... so anything else?

2. No, not all vote on a single issue, but a lot are and that does not explain the discrepancy there is among the polls and the election results, even if you take the polls and divide it up by political affiliation.

3. And? you claim a majority of Americans, So either you are claiming that a Majority is purely democratic and they allow a small Republican minority to choose for them, so that brings up another issue, which is importance.

4. Which election result? the president or the Congres, you need to be clear here.

5. I do not need to find an opinion from other people to back up my argument, we are looking at facts here, The Democrats are a minority party, that is a fact. The Republicans hold both chambers meaning a majority of America voted them there.

Also, you are not stating facts, polls are not facts, they are merely opinions, This is something you learn in 101 Math class in Highschool.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@ad1x2 said:
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@ad1x2: Didn't read your post. The reality is much more than just those allegations. It's his lying under oath and his emotional break down PLUS and this is important in a democracy.....his partisanship. ANY nominee that attacks one of our political parties and threatens it........should NEVER be confirmed. Period. That goes for ANY party.

So continue to hide behind the trump rhetoric. I'd also postulate that in the case of SC justice any hint of scandal SHOULD disqualify them. Doesn't mean they are guilty. But they are not above the law.

That doesn’t surprise me. You already decided his guilt ahead of time because it fit your narrative that anybody associated with Trump is damaged goods. At least I’m willing to consider the facts, instead of clinging to politics; I express my doubts on the accuracy of those claims but I still accept that she could be telling the truth and because of that I wanted to hear her story.

By the way, tell me how you would react to being called a serial rapist and have the lives of your wife and kids threatened. I don’t know about you, but threaten my daughter and all bets are off, and I don’t care if you call me unhinged.

Now you're fabricating things to suit your agenda. I clearly said he does not have the proper demeanor to be a SC justice. He's also partisan and that is NOT supposed to happen on the bench.

By the way most in the legal world agree with my stance. Not many with yours. But continue supporting everything trump does to the detriment of the United States as a country.

No, you said that after his hearing not before. Before you clearly called him a "rapist" and some of your words were "your guy is guilty"

Also most of the legal world? How many law professors are there in America? give me a ballpark figure and compare that to the people who signed it (also not considering their political persuasion)

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#6 Jacanuk
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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

Stop deflecting and answer the question.

Is this real life?

Are you not looking at your Notifications. Are you this low IQ?

So you keep deflecting, but at least you admit you are wrong and again are just BS´ing your way as a normal kid your age would do (ie a kid of around 5)

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@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
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No, I am saying that if Zaryia claims the polls are an indication of the majority in America favours liberal ideas, why do they vote in people opposed to those same ideas.

And as I demonstrated, a majority of people voted for the Democratic candidates.

Well, clearly they did not. and a president is 1 person not multiple.

Republicans have a majority in both chambers, so anything else you would like to showcase your complete lack of knowledge about?

Prove with citation the polls I linked are inaccurate. I need to see that their methodology/sampling/weighting is wrong.

What you are doing is giving ideas on why they might be wrong (posed in the form of a rhetorical question even you can't answer). But no numerical facts on why they actually are wrong. I do not care for arm-chair theory on mathematical issues. You can't possibly prove those (D) or (R) seats were gained or lost due to those specific issues I brought up and by how much % each, and if other issues were or were not more important to the voter. You would need to link a study that shows issue Y alone made candidates X lose or win Nationally and all compared against each other, or seriously stop bringing up Jacanuk-theories.

Stop deflecting and answer the question.

How come the election results do not reflect the polls you claim prove that liberal ideas are more popular...... It´s not that hard.

Or are you refusing to answer because you know you dug yourself into a hole you can´t get up from.

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#9 Jacanuk
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@mattbbpl said:

@Jacanuk: That is the essence of free market.

Being against the free market is the essence of the free market?

I did not question your refusal to go to a specific place, but the reasoning behind it.

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#10 Jacanuk
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@mattbbpl said:
@Jacanuk said:

No, I am saying that if Zaryia claims the polls are an indication of the majority in America favours liberal ideas, why do they vote in people opposed to those same ideas.

And as I demonstrated, a majority of people voted for the Democratic candidates.

Well, clearly they did not. and a president is 1 person not multiple.

Republicans have a majority in both chambers, so anything else you would like to showcase your complete lack of knowledge about?